Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[Hugo Boss]

The 4th form Freeza seems to be comparable to a form of Goku who became way stronger than SS3 Goku was when he lost his first fight against Beerus.

Freeza couldn't even land a hit on a Goku who was holding back, not sure how he's comparable.

I think they seem to be comparable in the warm-up scenes where Goku finishes with a kamehameha. SS2 Gohan and Perfect Cell could be comparable in my book.

[TheRed259]

I do see that some people think that Freeza is more powerful than Super Saiyan God.

Well, I think that Freeza must be almost as powerful as Perfect Cell or something like that. I am sure that Vegeta could easily beat him even in his Super Saiyan 2 form. This fight was more like a training for Goku and Vegeta in my opinion who wanted to put their new powers to the test.

The movie may show us that Freeza is a lot stronger but really I can't think of him as equal to SSJ3 or SSJ God.

[Marlowe89]

Judging from the summary, he seems to be portrayed on a similar level as Super Saiyan God at the very least. Whether he's noticeably stronger than that though, even at full power, is less certain.

[buutenks]

From the summary,golden freeza>ssj god goku and vegeta,but not by much.However due to the stamina issue he quickly drops below that level and starts losing.

Thats what i got from the summary.

[saunasolmu]

Freeza is way, way, way stronger than SSJ3 in this film. His full power is actually ahead of Goku's.

Goku is probably stronger than 70% Beerus right now. Beerus only used a fraction of 70% and finger-flicked SSJ3 Goku and looked so strong that Goku thought fusion wouldn't beat him. Even if you think SSJG>Golden Freeza, had Freeza been anywhere near as weak as a SSJ3 the fight would've been over in one hit.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I do see that some people think that Freeza is more powerful than Super Saiyan God.

Well, I think that Freeza must be almost as powerful as Perfect Cell or something like that. I am sure that Vegeta could easily beat him even in his Super Saiyan 2 form. This fight was more like a training for Goku and Vegeta in my opinion who wanted to put their new powers to the test.

The movie may show us that Freeza is a lot stronger but really I can't think of him as equal to SSJ3 or SSJ God.

Golden Freeza is more powerful than Super Saiyan God SS Goku (though he gets weaker as time passes because of stamina issues). It's not an opinion, it's what the movie shows.

True Form Freeza is weaker, but not extremely weaker, than Saiyan beyond God Goku. The reason he got that strong after only 4 months is because as a prodigy mutant that never trained in his life before, he had huge dormant powers. He did special training to draw out all of his dormant powers for 4 months, and even unlocked a new transformation. That's why he got that strong.

[saunasolmu]

So why exactly did Freeza bother with bringing 1,000 of his fodder soldiers on Earth? He even acknowledges that Gohan could take all of them out instantly if he felt like it. Doesn't seem like he thought in the first place that they'd make any difference vs. Goku (which ironically they did).

[Doctor.]

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

[Lord Beerus]

So why exactly did Freeza bother with bringing 1,000 of his fodder soldiers on Earth? He even acknowledges that Gohan could take all of them out instantly if he felt like it. Doesn't seem like he thought in the first place that they'd make any difference vs. Goku (which ironically they did).

Because Toriyama wanted to give the Earthlings a moment to shine

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

Hmm. That would certainly seem like a plausible scenario. But I doubt Toriyama would think that ahead.

[saunasolmu]

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

But Freeza already explained that it was a weak attack and Goku's body was only pierced due to having his guard down.

[Doctor.]

So why exactly did Freeza bother with bringing 1,000 of his fodder soldiers on Earth? He even acknowledges that Gohan could take all of them out instantly if he felt like it. Doesn't seem like he thought in the first place that they'd make any difference vs. Goku (which ironically they did).

Because Toriyama wanted to give the Earthlings a moment to shine

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

Hmm. That would certainly seem like a plausible scenario. But I doubt Toriyama would think that ahead.

I mean, according to the summary, Freeza looks at Sorbet when he's defeated, which kind of implies they had something planned all along.

But Freeza already explained that it was a weak attack and Goku's body was only pierced due to having his guard down.

A part of Freeza's ki (not in its entirety) is still a weak attack that can pierce Goku's body.

[dbzfan7]

So why exactly did Freeza bother with bringing 1,000 of his fodder soldiers on Earth? He even acknowledges that Gohan could take all of them out instantly if he felt like it. Doesn't seem like he thought in the first place that they'd make any difference vs. Goku (which ironically they did).

To try and make earthlings look cool by beating up weaklings. Next we'll have them beat 1 million mind controlled earthlings to show just how cool they are, and how they aren't just a filler fight that add nothing beyond "Hey people who don't usually punch people are punching people."

[Saiyan007]

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

But Freeza already explained that it was a weak attack and Goku's body was only pierced due to having his guard down.

How exactly would Freeza know it's a weak attack in the first place?

[dbzfan7]

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

But Freeza already explained that it was a weak attack and Goku's body was only pierced due to having his guard down.

How exactly would Freeza know it's a weak attack in the first place?

Cause the attack is from what seems to be a standard weapon. Just like how all the P-shooters are weak, the ring probably is too, if not maybe somewhat better.

[buutenks]

Still goku dropping his ki level to that of sorbet's ki level is a bit baffling .I guess they had to take goku out of the picture somehow ^^

Me i just chalk it up to poor writing ^^.

As for the point of the 1 k soldiers,well so the rest of the z fights can punch things,fan service basically ^^.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Still goku dropping his ki level to that of sorbet's ki level is a bit baffling

Goku wasn't suppressed, he was off-guard.

[rereboy]

Speaking hypothetically here, what if in a possible extended cut, Freeza gives some of his Ki to Sorbet and he stores it in his ring. Would it be more plausible that he'd pierce Goku that way?

Yes, it would. Of course, such an action doesn't seem typical of Freeza, but in terms of power consistency it would be much more plausible.

[shonenhikada]

So according to the movie:

Piccolo and Gohan can't just fire a wide range ki blast that would vaporize all of Freeza's soldiers in an instance.

Piccolo is as strong as Zarbon

Master Roshi> Yamcha and Chiaotzu

Freeza only needs 4 months of training to rival Beerus ?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Piccolo and Gohan can't just fire a wide range ki blast that would vaporize all of Freeza's soldiers in an instance.

They can, and it was stated in the movie that they could do it if they wanted. They made it a fight on purpose in order to buy time for Goku & Vegeta, and they didn't kill any of the soldiers because Jaco wanted to arrest them.

Piccolo is as strong as Zarbon

No, Freeza was impressed that a Super Saiyan managed to defeat Shisami, meaning that Shisami is stronger than Freeza was on Namek. Shisami most likely did training during these months, like Freeza.

Master Roshi> Yamcha and Chiaotzu

No, it was Tenshinhan that decided not to bring Yamcha & Chaozu, while it was Kuririn who decided to bring Kame-sennin. Kuririn was more relaxed, since he didn't know that Freeza had gotten stronger, and even told #18 that everything would be fine and that they didn't need her because Gohan, Piccolo, and Boo would be there anyway. Tenshinhan was more cautious, and didn't want to take any risks for Yamcha & Chaozu, who were weaker than him.

Freeza only needs 4 months of training to rival Beerus ?

He is still weaker than Beerus & Goku, he only surpassed Goku with his new form. But yeah, he became insanely stronger in only 4 months and came close to their level, but that's because he is a mutant that never trained before in his life.

[FortuneSSJ]

Piccolo is as strong as Zarbon

No, Freeza was impressed that a Super Saiyan managed to defeat Shisami, meaning that Shisami is stronger than Freeza was on Namek. Shisami most likely did training during these months, like Freeza.

Why training?! Is it hard to believe that Shisami is a new recruit, stronger than the rest?! At least, that's how i think.