"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Neon Z]

17 isn't that popular. While I think he is going to do well I think some people here are severely overestimating how well he is going to do, especially the ones who are basing this on how much he is showing in Heroes and stuff like that. He is a returning character, of couse he is going to show up in promotional material.

I think his placement in promotional material is actually pretty telling. He's a returning character, but he isn't a particular fan favorite, so there's no reason he'd be pushed in merchandising like this if he didn't have a central role in the arc.

It's not the "#17 Saga" like the last one was marketed as the "Trunks Saga", but they wouldn't be giving him this push for no reason.

Maybe. Keep in mind 17 is decently popular among Heroes players in Japan too so it makes sense they're promoting him there.

The one popularity poll for Heroes I've found doesn't have 17 in the top 30.

[incarnati0n]

17 isn't that popular. While I think he is going to do well I think some people here are severely overestimating how well he is going to do, especially the ones who are basing this on how much he is showing in Heroes and stuff like that. He is a returning character, of couse he is going to show up in promotional material.

I think his placement in promotional material is actually pretty telling. He's a returning character, but he isn't a particular fan favorite, so there's no reason he'd be pushed in merchandising like this if he didn't have a central role in the arc.

It's not the "#17 Saga" like the last one was marketed as the "Trunks Saga", but they wouldn't be giving him this push for no reason.

But what else can they promote? Already a ton of ssb goku and Vegeta cards. Already a ton of Gohan cards. They can't just start revealing new tranformations or the other fighters from the other universes before they atleast are promoted to appear in an episode. So they really don't have anything else to push.

With this I'm not saying he won't have an important role. I have him in 4th for U7 in terms of importance/performance in the tournament.

[kinisking]

Wasn't Yamcha incredibly high in the heroes poll?

Anyways, I expect tien to job for sure. Which is a shame.

[Neon Z]

But what else can they promote? Already a ton of ssb goku and Vegeta cards. Already a ton of Gohan cards. They can't just start revealing new tranformations or the other fighters from the other universes before they atleast are promoted to appear in an episode. So they really don't have anything else to push.

With this I'm not saying he won't have an important role. I have him in 4th for U7 in terms of importance/performance in the tournament.

18 has a new design too though. But, yeah, now that you mention it, I guess at this point Gohan, 17 and 18 are pretty much the only characters with something new they can promote (design).

Wasn't Yamcha incredibly high in the heroes poll?

Anyways, I expect tien to job for sure. Which is a shame.

Yep, top 10. He also was top 10 back in the Buu Saga poll, but had fallen off in other post-series polls.

[kinisking]

The Gohan design really isn't new at this point. We've seen it in GT, bog, and other moments in super. Plus, they're promoting his older design anyways haha.

[TheMathemagician]

It's great to see Vegeta taking his rightful place alongside Goku again. Hopefully we'll see him kick a lot of behinds.

Isn't Veggie boy close to Goku in most group shots anyway?

[Chuquita]

Re: Vegeta

I hope so too. The fact that none of the new fighters shown so far have a design that screams "Vegeta's replacement!" along with the fact that Hit hasn't actually joined the cast as a regular (yet?) gives me hope that Vegeta isn't being retired for now.

[sintzu]

The fact that none of the new fighters shown so far have a design that screams "Vegeta's replacement!" along with the fact that Hit hasn't actually joined the cast as a regular (yet?) gives me hope that Vegeta isn't being retired for now.

Vegeta will never be retired. he's been Toriyama's 2nd main character since Z and that's not going to change anytime soon.

When this arc was announced they said Vegeta was Goku eternal rival so that should put any doubts about him retiring to rest.

Goku and Vegeta are the faces of DB so the chances of him being written out are as big as Goku being written out.

Isn't Veggie boy close to Goku in most group shots anyway?

That's prince Vegeta boy to you.

Yes, he's usually with Goku in these promotions.

[Boo Machine]

Re: Vegeta

I hope so too. The fact that none of the new fighters shown so far have a design that screams "Vegeta's replacement!" along with the fact that Hit hasn't actually joined the cast as a regular (yet?) gives me hope that Vegeta isn't being retired for now.

Was there concern that Vegeta would retire? I didn't see it. He has been pretty involved in every arc.

[sintzu]

Was there concern that Vegeta would retire? I didn't see it. He has been pretty involved in every arc.

What started it was him not going to train because of Bulma being pregnant.

[Boo Machine]

Was there concern that Vegeta would retire? I didn't see it. He has been pretty involved in every arc.

What started it was him not going to train because of Bulma being pregnant.

That doesn't seem like nearly enough evidence to suggest he would be retiring. More like taking a small break to make sure his family is ok.

[Goresh]

In regards to the Heroes "popularity" poll - most of those cards weren't picked because the characters were popular, they were picked because those cards were strong, which is the reason why Tarble was so high on the list (he's one of the best cards in the game).

[namekiansaiyan]

I am just saying that is the reason why he is getting promoted and not becuase of what he is going to do in the tournament I dont think 17 has the status tbat some of the other characters do to be very important.

Maybe. Keep in mind 17 is decently popular among Heroes players in Japan too so it makes sense they're promoting him there.

Also, keep in mind that 17 is the arc's 'Old Returning Character'. Trunks got his asspulls for relevancy in his return arc, I wouldn't write off the same happening with 17.

I don't think Toriyama would pick Android 17 out of all possible characters to have the biggest role after Goku and Vegeta it would hust look out of place and weird.

[Ki Breaker]

Maybe. Keep in mind 17 is decently popular among Heroes players in Japan too so it makes sense they're promoting him there.

Also, keep in mind that 17 is the arc's 'Old Returning Character'. Trunks got his asspulls for relevancy in his return arc, I wouldn't write off the same happening with 17.

I don't think Toriyama would pick Android 17 out of all possible characters to have the biggest role after Goku and Vegeta it would hust look out of place and weird.

Toriyama probably saw super and thought, holy shit vegeta is boring as hell, well gotta have the badassness back somehow. Oh 17 where are you

[SansrivaaL]

For badass moments I see almost everyone getting it (besides Krillin and Ten for some reason) like for example
Krillin=MC of a drama/shonen series like Boku No Hero Academia, him and Deku have a lot in common, like them flippin out and remembering some sad scenes then getting the motivation to fight back.
Vegeta=MC of an end game shonen/action anime where he got developed to the point of losing his former self and got into his role as a father and calmed down (I never expected Vegeta to turn a blind eye to training just for staying close to his wife)
Piccolo= I dont know what they're doing with him anymore but I'm almost certain he'll get a badass moment.
18=MC of a harem candidate that won the MC's heart, and can still kick serious ass.
17=MC that went away for a long period of time and instantly returns to create hype (we got a timeskip cliche)
Boo=MC of a comedy/shonen anime
Roshi=The mentor of the protagonist, the badass old man that we all get from cliche shonen stories like Bleach,FT,Naruto and so forth.
Gohan=MC that lost his way but got brought back into fighting to protect his loved ones (its your typical main character for a shonen series or a harem series to be precise)
Goku=An overpowered MC that doesnt need developing because he's already developed, he knows his goal and doesnt doubt himself, now taking on the antagonist role.

Let me just say how lucky we are to have Goku as our main character of Dragon Ball, he's such a wild card and he's the main reason why this arc is becoming more and more interesting, because of how he reacts and handles the situation, can you think of a main character doing the shit that he's been doing? cause I cant almost 90% of the fanbase are talking about Goku this and Goku that, now I'm more in line of Toriyama and Toei knowing exactly what they're doing to Goku. Well there's Gintoki but Goku isnt wise like him.

[kinisking]

I'm actually really into Goku acting antagonistic. It's a pretty unique thing for a main character to be acting like this, and since it seems this is going to be their intention for this arc might as well roll with it.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm actually really into Goku acting antagonistic. It's a pretty unique thing for a main character to be acting like this, and since it seems this is going to be their intention for this arc might as well roll with it.

"I'm evil, huh? That's interesting!" is an amazing quote from him, like he's not even denying it.

[TheMikado]

I'm actually really into Goku acting antagonistic. It's a pretty unique thing for a main character to be acting like this, and since it seems this is going to be their intention for this arc might as well roll with it.

"I'm evil, huh? That's interesting!" is an amazing quote from him, like he's not even denying it.

Wasn't that pretty much Cell's response?
My question becomes where do they go with Goku's character from here. Any epiphany he has from this would seem like the type of thing which would prompt Goku to retire from fighting.
If its a case where he gets carried away with it like an addiction, wouldn't a solution be to stop cold turkey. He's done more drastic things for lesser reasons.

[ArchedThunder]

Wasn't that pretty much Cell's response?
My question becomes where do they go with Goku's character from here. Any epiphany he has from this would seem like the type of thing which would prompt Goku to retire from fighting.
If its a case where he gets carried away with it like an addiction, wouldn't a solution be to stop cold turkey. He's done more drastic things for lesser reasons.

He wouldn't need to quite fighting, he would just have to me more mindful of the consequences of his actions.

[namekiansaiyan]

Also, keep in mind that 17 is the arc's 'Old Returning Character'. Trunks got his asspulls for relevancy in his return arc, I wouldn't write off the same happening with 17.

I don't think Toriyama would pick Android 17 out of all possible characters to have the biggest role after Goku and Vegeta it would hust look out of place and weird.

Toriyama probably saw super and thought, holy shit vegeta is boring as hell, well gotta have the badassness back somehow. Oh 17 where are you

Toriyama still has Piccolo and Tien for them moment. These 2 are very easy to make good fights for becuase of all the various moves they have.