Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[TheMightyOzaru]

Seriously? SSJ Gogeta would destrolish Buuhan IMO. I think there is a ridiculous gap between Buuhan and Vegetto since I think base Vegetto is almost as strong Buuhan.

Goku had no idea if Fusion was going to even be enough to beat Boohan, he first thought the potara would be the same as fusion. After the potara fusion Vegetto was so surprised he was able to beat Boohan so effortlessly. Gogeta only beat the Super Boo movie counterpart (Janemba). So their really isn't an indicator.

Potara
First Appearance: chapter 501
Category: miscellaneous
Explanation: Ear decorations worn by Kaioshins and their attendants for generations. Despite being worn so casually, they’re actually an incredible power-up item. The Elder Kaioshin gave them to Goku as a trump card for defeating Majin Buu.
Special Characteristics: To use them, the two people who will merge simply each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu’s body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people’s bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion. (Daizenshuu 4, p.163)

This proves what? SSJ Gogeta can be stronger than Base Vegetto and this statement can still be true since base Gogeta would be weaker than base Vegetto.

[DBZAOTA482]

I see Kuririn got a new haircut?

Anyways, I really hope there'd be a tetosterone-filled single by Hirounbu Kageyama for the opening/closing themes because having an animated title of DBZ without a vocal song by Hirounbu Kageyama is like Kame-sennin without porn.... or at least Masashi Endou can be a second option.

[Saiga]

I don't see Gogeta being as strong as Vegetto, because SS Vegetto was stronger than SS3 Gotenks. For SS Gogeta to be stronger than SS3 Gotenks, wouldn't that make SS Goku stronger than a hypothetical SS3 Goten? I have a lot of difficulty seeing that.

Umm SSJ Gogeta is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. How would this make SSJ Goku stronger than SSJ3 Goten? Furthermore I dont see how thats hard to believe honestly. For you to believe this it would only require believing Goku is a little over 8x stronger than Goten which I find highly likely. I believe fusion is A + B x 100.

It's assuming that fusion has some sort of consistent boost between users, which it may not, but if it does I just can't see Goku being more than 8x stronger than Goten. Actually, it'd be more than 16x stronger - Gohan-Boo has to be more than double Evil Boo, since Gohan was stronger than Evil Boo, and Gotenks was even with Evil Boo.

Yeah, I don't see Goku being 16x Goten's strength. Goten is not that weak if he's meant to above #18 by a good amount as a Super Saiyan. Trunks would have to be similarly weak against Vegeta, yet he landed in a punch at least. If he was that much weaker, I don't need he could even manage that...

[dbzfan7]

Seriously? SSJ Gogeta would destrolish Buuhan IMO. I think there is a ridiculous gap between Buuhan and Vegetto since I think base Vegetto is almost as strong Buuhan.

Goku had no idea if Fusion was going to even be enough to beat Boohan, he first thought the potara would be the same as fusion. After the potara fusion Vegetto was so surprised he was able to beat Boohan so effortlessly. Gogeta only beat the Super Boo movie counterpart (Janemba). So their really isn't an indicator.

Potara
First Appearance: chapter 501
Category: miscellaneous
Explanation: Ear decorations worn by Kaioshins and their attendants for generations. Despite being worn so casually, they’re actually an incredible power-up item. The Elder Kaioshin gave them to Goku as a trump card for defeating Majin Buu.
Special Characteristics: To use them, the two people who will merge simply each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu’s body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people’s bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion. (Daizenshuu 4, p.163)

This proves what? SSJ Gogeta can be stronger than Base Vegetto and this statement can still be true since base Gogeta would be weaker than base Vegetto.

Fusion is suggested as multiplying by several times over, Potara is suggested as nearly or A x B. Even if SSJ Gogeta was stronger then Vegetto what does that prove. Only in the anime did Base Vegetto fight Boohan. Vegetto went SSJ right away. If Goku wasn't even sure fusion would cut it, that means they still may have lost if Potara were equal to fusion. SSJ4 Gogeta is only considered several dozen times stronger then SSJ4.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't see Gogeta being as strong as Vegetto, because SS Vegetto was stronger than SS3 Gotenks. For SS Gogeta to be stronger than SS3 Gotenks, wouldn't that make SS Goku stronger than a hypothetical SS3 Goten? I have a lot of difficulty seeing that.

Umm SSJ Gogeta is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. How would this make SSJ Goku stronger than SSJ3 Goten? Furthermore I dont see how thats hard to believe honestly. For you to believe this it would only require believing Goku is a little over 8x stronger than Goten which I find highly likely. I believe fusion is A + B x 100.

It's assuming that fusion has some sort of consistent boost between users, which it may not, but if it does I just can't see Goku being more than 8x stronger than Goten. Actually, it'd be more than 16x stronger - Gohan-Boo has to be more than double Evil Boo, since Gohan was stronger than Evil Boo, and Gotenks was even with Evil Boo.

Yeah, I don't see Goku being 16x Goten's strength. Goten is not that weak if he's meant to above #18 by a good amount as a Super Saiyan. Trunks would have to be similarly weak against Vegeta, yet he landed in a punch at least. If he was that much weaker, I don't need he could even manage that...

I believe Goku is over 33x stronger than Goten. Oh yeah Buuhan is definitely more than twice as strong as Super Buu. Heck Buutenks is over twice as strong.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fusion is suggested as multiplying by several times over, Potara is suggested as nearly or A x B

I dont take that statement literally. If that was the case then base Vegetto would own the likes of Yi Xing Long.

[MCDaveG]

Oh god, don't tell me you are measuring power in the series and again using un-official fake numbers?
Official numbers stopped around Freeza arc with scouters.

Not playing a Mod wannabe, but I think there should be in-universe topic about power levels in this movie....

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oh god, don't tell me you are measuring power in the series and again using un-official fake numbers?
Official numbers stopped around Freeza arc with scouters.

Not playing a Mod wannabe, but I think there should be in-universe topic about power levels in this movie....

No I'm just using ranks.

[dbzfan7]

Fusion is suggested as multiplying by several times over, Potara is suggested as nearly or A x B

I dont take that statement literally. If that was the case then base Vegetto would own the likes of Yi Xing Long.

It was in the guide books one, and Omega doesn't exits in canon so there is no point in using him as defense. Vegetto was created to be the ultimate overpowered warrior. He even survives and keeps his power as a candy, him being way stronger then fusion was the whole point. He is an overpowered cocky warrior who was made to make Boohan look like a fool.

[penguintruth]

Power level stats post-Freeza arc are utterly meaningless.

[MCDaveG]

Oh god, don't tell me you are measuring power in the series and again using un-official fake numbers?
Official numbers stopped around Freeza arc with scouters.

Not playing a Mod wannabe, but I think there should be in-universe topic about power levels in this movie....

No I'm just using ranks.

Are these from some of the new guidebooks?

[Saiga]

I believe Goku is over 33x stronger than Goten.

I don't see how Goten being that weak can work with what we see in the show. He's stronger than #18, capable of sparring with Gohan quite effectively, and almost as strong as Trunks, who could land a hit on Vegeta while sparring.

@Penguintruth No, they're not. They're still useful to draw comparisons, and they're not to be indicative of the actual Battle Powers we see.

It's like in Yu Yu Hakusho, one of the villains compares himself to the hero using numbers to make his point: "If you're a 10, then I'm a 6". They're not meant to be the actual representation of their power on a grand scale, just in relation to one another.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Aha, so that WAS Gohan with the glasses that was hidden by the logo in the earlier trailer footage. I completely forgot to pay attention to that in the newer copy.

[MCDaveG]

I believe Goku is over 33x stronger than Goten.

I don't see how Goten being that weak can work with what we see in the show. He's stronger than #18, capable of sparring with Gohan quite effectively, and almost as strong as Trunks, who could land a hit on Vegeta while sparring.

@Penguintruth No, they're not. They're still useful to draw comparisons, and they're not to be indicative of the actual Battle Powers we see.

It's like in Yu Yu Hakusho, one of the villains compares himself to the hero using numbers to make his point: "If you're a 10, then I'm a 6". They're not meant to be the actual representation of their power on a grand scale, just in relation to one another.

But if the numbers are thought up, then you can't measure the power effectively and it won't be usefull?

[Saiga]

But if the numbers are thought up, then you can't measure the power effectively and it won't be usefull?

The numbers are thought up based on what how we interpret what we see. So we pick a starting point, say Cell being at 100, and go from there. Then I would put Goku at about 90, for just being underneath Cell, Gohan about 120, etc. Just putting them where I see them comparing to each other.

I hope my explanation makes sense, it's hard to put what I mean into words.

[MCDaveG]

Ah, so it's not based on facts but polemics.... okay.
I hoped for a while that there is some official chart in one of the new guidebooks.

[penguintruth]

@Penguintruth No, they're not. They're still useful to draw comparisons, and they're not to be indicative of the actual Battle Powers we see.

It's like in Yu Yu Hakusho, one of the villains compares himself to the hero using numbers to make his point: "If you're a 10, then I'm a 6". They're not meant to be the actual representation of their power on a grand scale, just in relation to one another.

No, it's a waste of time.

"I think SSJ3 Goku is eight times stronger than SSJ Gotenks, but Super Buu is twice as strong as SSJ3 Goku!"

"Well *I* think that SSJ Gogeta is stronger than SSJ Vegetto, but if Super Buu absorbed SSJ3 Goku he would be stronger than SSJ Vegetto AND SSJ Gogeta!"

Well, if Train A leaves Philidelphia at 3:30 PM travelling at 88 mph at twice the rate of speed as Train B leaving Chicago at 4:22 PM at three times the rate of a car travelling from New York City to Boston, how many roads must a man walk down before you can call him a man?

It's worthless speculation. It's fine if you think one character is possibly stronger than another, but using the Power Level numbers? It was proven how worthless ratings like that are in the Freeza arc.

[MCDaveG]

I didn't wanted to be evil, but yeah! My favorite Lord of Facts is at it again
That's why I proposed a new separate thread in In-universe discussion section, as there you discuss physics not based on facts in the realm of Dragon Ball.

[Saiga]

No, it's a waste of time.

"I think SSJ3 Goku is eight times stronger than SSJ Gotenks, but Super Buu is twice as strong as SSJ3 Goku!"

"Well *I* think that SSJ Gogeta is stronger than SSJ Vegetto, but if Super Buu absorbed SSJ3 Goku he would be stronger than SSJ Vegetto AND SSJ Gogeta!"

Well, if Train A leaves Philidelphia at 3:30 PM travelling at 88 mph at twice the rate of speed as Train B leaving Chicago at three times the rate of a car travelling from New York City to Boston, how many roads must a man walk down before you can call him a man?

It's worthless speculation. It's fine if you think one character is possibly stronger than another, but using the Power Level numbers? It was proven how worthless ratings like that are in the Freeza arc.

To you, it may be. But multipliers themselves didn't drop off the radar - things like SS2 and SS3 were still given multipliers.

Furthermore, the only reason they were proven worthless is because people can hide their ratings and fool scouters. The actual full power readings are still legit, though. You don't see someone with a lower Battle Power beat a higher Battle Power in sheer strength, do you?

[penguintruth]

How can one character who's SSJ2 be significantly more powerful than another who's SSJ2? They're both at the same power level, SSJ2. It's merely a battle of technique, of skill, at that point. Goku and Vegeta were tied fighting at that level. Vegeta "won" when he pretended the fight was over and knocked Goku out.

Of course, Goku was capable of going beyond, but that's besides the point. Why should SSJ3 Goku be any stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks? They're both the same: SSJ3.

This power level stuff beyond the Freeza arc is just a load of fancruft nonsense than Toei caved into to sell more guides.