"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE" Official Discussion Thread

[DonieZ]

So what does everyone think about 3vs3? I have to admit I was pretty surprised to see it implemented, especially since I figured it would hurt the 1 player game, but 1v1 at least looks solid. But what about 2+ player battles, does it work? In my opinion so far it looks like a clunky mess. Nothing wrong with a bit of mindless fun, but I hope they're very skill-focused and not just a huge gimmick to cash in on the team fighting crowd. Good to see some special moves which will probably take care of multiple enemies, but I can still see a single player being dominated. Well this is my current opinion as of the beta. Hopefully once people are more familiar with the game we'll get to see something interesting.

[CM101Play]

I love it. 1v1 and 2v2 both look great. 3v3 probably isn't great, but it looks good.

The beauty of it? It doesn't have to be skill based.

Want skill to win out? 1v1, maybe 2v2 is for you.

Want a brawl of fun? 3v3!

Hope 2v1, 3v1, 3v2, 3 for all, 4 for all, 5 for all, and 6 for alls are in, but I doubt it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm enjoying it so far. Kinda wish you could do any combination, up to 6 characters on the field (with an appropriate handicap applied, as something like 1v5 would be unfair otherwise). Would be kinda fun to reenact things like Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Vegeta and Piccolo vs. Broli, or Gohan, Kuririn, Vegeta, Piccolo and Goku vs. Freeza.

[Super Saiyajin Luffy]

I finished my DB Xenoverse breakdown, more to read there:
DB Xenoverse gameplay mechanics

Going to put it into my signature.

Spoiler:

Nice breakdown, Luffy. Looks like Dimps are doing a lot to make this a skill-based DB fighter, a lot of things I didn't notice, in particular certain aspects of the defensive options and power-ups/transformations. Parrying looks to be an important thing in Xenoverse, seeing as all (but one) other forms of defense, i.e. blocks, vanishes, escape moves; cost 'Guard Energy'. You're basically defenceless once you've lost it all, you can't even aura dash which is interesting; something I've hated in Spike's games (once you've lost all ki), however in Xenoverse I'm not sure I'll mind as much, since and bringing me on to the other form of defense. 'Steps'; it's something we've seen a lot less, if whatsoever, during TGS and since Japan Expo where it was used a lot. In the Japan Expo vids it was made clear that 'stepping' is one of the main forms of movement, so at least if we've run out of guard energy we won't be left 'floating' cringing-ly slow mid-battle (Spike! (mainly a problem as an Android)). I also expect it will be intended as a form of defence, side-stepping out of attacks. Shame no one tried it during the recent beta period. Checking out this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4GodyGR-7Y , 'stepping' is used throughout the match, in fact the main form of movement, however typically at the end you can see it used to cover distance between yourself and the opponent. ... Personally I might like to be able to move freely through the air like they did in the show whatever their ki levels, but it's better than being crippled such as in Tenkaichi and Raging Blast where there is no other form of movement. After all, as Luffy has said, Xenoverse is more of a DB fighter with simulator features, rather than the other way around.

Interesting stuff about transformations, I can see they've put a lot of thought into it. They could have allowed transformations to last an entire match, and without significant power boosts then to make it fair, but they probably wanted to give people reason to think about why we're choosing a particular character, and also so that transformations aren't just gimmicks. 'Cause you're either gonna make transformation characters overpowered, or just gimmicks, doing it the other way. Unless they've made changes from Japan Expo I wouldn't worry too much about how long transformations last though. True, from one of the gimps in the breakdown that one bar seemed to go down fairly fast, but then you've got Vegeta's seeming to last longer (but then he does his ultimate and wins the match, so we can't tell how long it was going to last); Luffy, any more video evidence from TGS/beta regarding trans. length?

I'm not sure I would worry about all that though, from TGS and the beta fights don't seem to last too long so trans.' could possibly last most if not an entire fight anyway. But the length of battles might be a complaint itself so... I reckon Freeza and Cell only have their final forms in this one, if not then certainly separate characters, but I feel as though they won't see the point in investing time into them (especially if they're separate characters who can't transform up). If NB asked me, I would honestly say that I doubt most players would want to choose to be a lower form 'most' of the time (assuming the way it looks to be implemented), so neither do I see the point in including them.

I noted you didn't get your hands on the beta Luffy, wondering how you were able to pick up so much; you have a keen eye. I might have had more to say, but I didn't write this straight after reading it. All in all, things are looking good. What am I liking about it so far? Well, particularly special moves; offensive moves, 'escape' moves; less so beam specials for the offensive but stuff like Gohans homing headbutt I am loving. Something I noticed is that once you're in a combo-string you're entirely vulnerable to a deadly attack such as an ultimate which seems to have barely any risk with little startup; this is nothing new to 3D DB games, but the thing is you had to charge and enter the 'ultimate state' previously, whilst in Xenoverse there is no such mode (although I'm not sure how much ki is required to pull 'em off) and once you're in the 'guard broken state', you are pretty much defenceless and unable to vanish. To top it off ultimate moves whilst in Super Saiyan mode, at least for Vegeta (if you look at the gimp), consume zero ki; if you're in a combo by him, unable to escape and he pulls off his ultimate, it's basically game over. It's clear defence and taking care with your 'guard meter' are going to be important in Xenoverse.

Thx, I was on this Xenoverse footage hype train and I couldn't help but notice some things and analyse them to death (probably my blood as fighting gamer, analytical mind and longtime DragonBall fan). Regarding Super Saiyan transformation, I think 1 bar of your Ki last approx 10 seconds, which means a SSJ transformation with 6 bars of Ki would probably last 1 minute, give and take 10 seconds.
Ultimate moves usually consumes 3 bars each and each of them have a noticeable startup. It seems you can't combo into them, but you can followup into Ultimates, which result them to attempt to block it. I notice, that after a knockback, you can't techroll sideways or upwards. I think it's a nice touch and is somewhat true to the show.
Stepping seems to be important, but I also won't neglect the Jump. I dare to say, that Jump might be a better option in more sitations than stepping because Jump has the Jump Attack option, but again, noone bothered to try out to step and therefore I don't really know its properties.

So what does everyone think about 3vs3? I have to admit I was pretty surprised to see it implemented, especially since I figured it would hurt the 1 player game, but 1v1 at least looks solid. But what about 2+ player battles, does it work? In my opinion so far it looks like a clunky mess. Nothing wrong with a bit of mindless fun, but I hope they're very skill-focused and not just a huge gimmick to cash in on the team fighting crowd. Good to see some special moves which will probably take care of multiple enemies, but I can still see a single player being dominated. Well this is my current opinion as of the beta. Hopefully once people are more familiar with the game we'll get to see something interesting.

I think 3vs3 might have a chance to become its own metagame. Sure it's different from 1vs1, but we only had a chance to use Special and Ultimate moves, which are geared to 1vs1 in a team fight. The only Ultimates, which might be probably finetuned towards teamfights atm is Scatter Kamehame-Ha, the NAPPA FINGER and probably these weird shields special moves(escape move excluded). Hell, there might be even dedicated Xenoverse teamfights teams/clans (ok, it reminds me of shooters somehow xD). Although at this moment, players don't know how to play 3vs3. As bad as DBZ BoZ was as a DBZ game (meaning lack of proper mechanics making 1vs1 interesting), I think though, that BoZ MIGHT be a better teambased game due to its classes like healers ect. Well, probably I'm just overrating the class system of DBZ BoZ

[Big Momma]

If they do have these what-if transformations. GT characters, etc. Then I hope they aren't officially revealed until the game comes out. I'd love for these things to be a surprise.


I kinda hate how, in recent games, it's pretty much revealed what all you can unlock before you even own it.

[Thanos]

One thing that I'm dying to know that maybe someone who's played the beta can address: Can you customize the color of all clothing or just your starting outfit? I'd like to be able to wear Slug's top without it being blatantly obvious that it is, indeed, Slug's top.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think I remember it being said that the outfits that belong to actual characters couldn't be customized, but the beta was missing features for various things (like changing your character's skin tone or height). I'm not sure we can say for certain what we'll be allowed to do in the full version.

[Drev]

If they do have these what-if transformations. GT characters, etc. Then I hope they aren't officially revealed until the game comes out. I'd love for these things to be a surprise.


I kinda hate how, in recent games, it's pretty much revealed what all you can unlock before you even own it.

well, they should kinda tell us BEFORE day1 if they put some gt and/or db characters in it, it would help sell this game even better. It's not like "I want to know all specific gt characters they will put in it before day1" but at least knowing before day1 if they are gonna put them

[sintzu]

New video from sergio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLrubn ... 7gTf9KkBWA

It looks like Chaozu,Nail,Babidi,Goku gt and Trunks gt are in.

It looks like Cell has more then his perfect form and you can fuse mid battle.

Next video will be about the costumes so that should give us more new characters.

[Sshadow5001]

I know it won't happen but I want time patrol Trunks to punch GT Trunks in his douchey face.

[sintzu]

I know it won't happen but I want time patrol Trunks to punch GT Trunks in his douchey face.

You can do it all day in VS if you want.

[CM101Play]

I hope fusing mid battle is in. I could see it being like it was in the Budokai games, but it'd be cool if you had Goku and Vegeta on the same team and fused them instead of just whoever uses fusion being Gogeta/Vegetto and the other still being his usual, unfused self. Maybe it wouldn't work with multiple players, but if you play with the AI it'd be a cool feature. Make the fusions really strong and stuff so they can feasibly take on multiple fighters.

[Super Saiyajin Luffy]

I hope fusing mid battle is in. I could see it being like it was in the Budokai games, but it'd be cool if you had Goku and Vegeta on the same team and fused them instead of just whoever uses fusion being Gogeta/Vegetto and the other still being his usual, unfused self. Maybe it wouldn't work with multiple players, but if you play with the AI it'd be a cool feature. Make the fusions really strong and stuff so they can feasibly take on multiple fighters.

I think that mid battle fusions won't be possible, because you can edit the skills of a character and even because of moveset changes and SSJ Ki drain. I have a feeling, that they are going to be separate characters only (also hypothesis is based on the Perfect Cell discussion). Well it's not the end of the world.

Edit: I need to make a masterpost with DB Xenoverse stuff, known mechanics (beside fighting mechanics) and speculation, I'm too damn lazy, though.

[Quebaz]

Edit: I need to make a masterpost with DB Xenoverse stuff, known mechanics (beside fighting mechanics) and speculation, I'm too damn lazy, though.

Kinda like this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=756071? It would be pretty cool if it could be edited into OP as well.

[omegalucas]

I don't get the whole Cell/Freeza will have separate forms... nobody seems to be considering the hypothesis that DIMPS could simply make their transformations permanent and not Ki-draining. Just like we can't revert from them in the Spike games.

[Sshadow5001]

I know it won't happen but I want time patrol Trunks to punch GT Trunks in his douchey face.

You can do it all day in VS if you want.

Oh yeah lol. I guess I was thinking I'd like to see cutscene of Time Patrol Trunks just being pissed at him for being so crap.
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-96.html

Seriously Future Trunks is a hero not only helping fix his own messed up timeline and trying to change history for the better but now trying to save different futures. What the hell do you do GT Trunks? Remember when GT Trunks looked like kinda cool slicing that that guy in the GT intro, why is that the only good thing he ever did in GT.

Ugh spoiled rich kid.

[Tsufuru]

New video from sergio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLrubn ... 7gTf9KkBWA

It looks like Chaozu,Nail,Babidi,Goku gt and Trunks gt are in.

It looks like Cell has more then his perfect form and you can fuse mid battle.

Next video will be about the costumes so that should give us more new characters.

They are using a lot of things from GT and BoG.

It would be a dick move if these are only items for your created char and not having anything to do with the actual chars being in this game at this point.

I mean i still want to play as bills or infact any other original char only cuz i have a created char doesnt mean i only play with him.
I hope they dont think like this.

[sintzu]

What the hell do you do GT Trunks ?

Hide behind Goku&Vegeta when things go to hell.

They are using a lot of things from GT and BoG.

It would be a dick move if these are only items for your created char and not having anything to do with the actual chars being in this game at this point.

I think the characters will be in but at the same time i'm not going to say it as 100% fact until it's actually announced by Bandai.

[EA575]

New video from sergio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLrubn ... 7gTf9KkBWA

It looks like Chaozu,Nail,Babidi,Goku gt and Trunks gt are in.

It looks like Cell has more then his perfect form and you can fuse mid battle.

Next video will be about the costumes so that should give us more new characters.

Looks like Talismans will act like Drama Pieces from Burst Limit.
Also looks like Broly and a Syn Shenron/Omega Shenron might be confirmed, too. And Vegeta has his "My Bulma..." quote from BoG.
"Before creation...comes destruction" BoG characters are looking more and more likely now.

[Hellspawn28]

If we get GT then I do think SSj4 Broli won't be that far off now. We got LSSj3 Broli in RB to promote Dragon Battlers.