"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

The funny thing is that, according to Toriyama, Yamcha really was fooling around when dating Bulma and that's why Bulma dumped him.

TV Anime Guide: Dragon Ball Tenka’ichi Densetsu

Speaking of Yamcha, he was dumped by Bulma, wasn’t he?

That was a shock. I often spoke with Hiromi Tsuru-san, who plays Bulma; both she and I thought Bulma and Yamcha would end up together. And for Vegeta, of all people! It really was a shock. So when I met with Toriyama-sensei, I complained, “Why did it have to be like this?!” Then Toriyama-sensei said, “Come on; Yamcha’s a cheater.” (laughs)

So at the very least, in Toriyama's eyes, Yamcha is the kind of guy that can't keep his dick in pants

Yes but that contradicts what we know about his character. Toriyama can say whatever he wants but if that information is the opposite of what we know in the manga then does it really hold any weight?

It does not.
Yes, Yamcha wanted to get married in the first arc. Characters change, he couldn't even be in front of a girl before and he grew. If the author corroborates what is told in the manga, which was the last information given regarding the topic; then that's what the character is.
He's even consistent about it by not marrying Yamcha after so many years. Seems like after being with a girl he changed his mind about monogamy, I speculate.

[perucho1990]

For the record, the tournament will definitely have spectators. The description of the battle arena from the V-Jump magazine a few months ago specifically notes that the semi-circular thing of the arena is for the viewers.

That said, considering what Yamcha said in episode 83, it’s likely that he won’t be able to join them and would just stay in his place, still waiting for the supposed recruitment.

This right here is the main reason why I feel Gohan and Krillin will win the tournament for U7, with Pan, Maron in the crowd, it would be big motivations for both Gohan and Krillin to do great.

About Yamcha, or when the Z fighters to go his house, Yamcha will think its for recruitment instead is just to be part of the U7 crowd, cheering for the team. I expect Goten and Trunks to be part of the crowd too.

[ArchedThunder]

When do you guys think we will see Yamcha again? it'd be pretty cool if the tournament doesn't have spectators and he decides to train for 48 minutes to become Grand Priest tier.

For the record, the tournament will definitely have spectators. The description of the battle arena from the V-Jump magazine a few months ago specifically notes that the semi-circular thing of the arena is for the viewers.

That said, considering what Yamcha said in episode 83, it’s likely that he won’t be able to join them and would just stay in his place, still waiting for the supposed recruitment.

That viewer ring could just be for GoDs, Angels and Kaioshin.

[dbzfan7]

The difference here is that Yamcha has a defined precedent​ for his potential unlike Freeza and 17. Yamcha having a bs powerup will mess with actual Canon instead of headcanon.

So did they before BSing. Won't take much for them to bullshit Yamcha in. They really do not give a single shit. I never knew so many people were just such lazy bastards back then .

They didnt because we never saw them train. If you didn't know the villians didn't train, then that's on you. In the androids, cells, and Boos case it was extremely obvious that they didn't train. With Freeza, it's not surprising and pretty in character that he didn't.

Not really. But ah Yamcha is the descendant of a legendary space bandit. You just didn't know so that's ok then.

The whole you didn't know at the time does not make it any better at all, when it was never a thing years ago that no one bought. It's a horrible lame ass excuse that ruins past and future endeavors under a lame ass excuse to try and justify nonsense.

Not to mention considering the heaps of BS, they really could have any dumb crap happen. Especially in the case of Yamcha if they really wanted to.

[Ki Breaker]

As long as super continues and there is fan demand for Yamcha to fight, he'll fight and get unexplained Powerups..
Just you wait

[Khin]

That viewer ring could just be for GoDs, Angels and Kaioshin.

Touché, but the semi-circular thing looks too big to be just for the gods (unless the arena will be small, which is unlikely given the Grand Priest said he’ll make it big for 80 fighters).

The last thing we’ll also need in this tournament is a very few spectators. It’s one of my issues with the previous tournament, since it feels very empty.

[dbzfan7]

As long as super continues and there is fan demand for Yamcha to fight, he'll fight and get unexplained Powerups..
Just you wait

Hell if that Yamcha manga becomes real popular then for sure he'll BS a power up or something just to capitalize on it. There's honestly nothing at this point that is too ridiculous for Super. Nothing at all, and no line it won't cross.

[kinisking]

Not really. But ah Yamcha is the descendant of a legendary space bandit. You just didn't know so that's ok then.

The whole you didn't know at the time does not make it any better at all, when it was never a thing years ago that no one bought. It's a horrible lame ass excuse that ruins past and future endeavors under a lame ass excuse to try and justify nonsense.

Not to mention considering the heaps of BS, they really could have any dumb crap happen. Especially in the case of Yamcha if they really wanted to.

We've seen Yamcha train. We have precedent for his potential. We haven't seen Android 17 and Freeza train so their potentials could have been anything. Just because it didn't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean it's bullshit. I think the biggest problem here is that people are comparing other races to the saiyans. If they have more potential than the saiyans then it's bull shit. Well, it's not. No one was yelling bullshit when the saiyans were severely outclassing the humans because different races have different potentials. Yet when other races outclass the saiyans then we have a problem on our hands. It doesn't ruin anything besides your headcanon tbh. Of course, anything technically could happen. It's fiction.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Man, those spoilers for Dragon Ball Super Episode 87 are running late.

[dbzfan7]

Not really. But ah Yamcha is the descendant of a legendary space bandit. You just didn't know so that's ok then.

The whole you didn't know at the time does not make it any better at all, when it was never a thing years ago that no one bought. It's a horrible lame ass excuse that ruins past and future endeavors under a lame ass excuse to try and justify nonsense.

Not to mention considering the heaps of BS, they really could have any dumb crap happen. Especially in the case of Yamcha if they really wanted to.

We've seen Yamcha train. We have precedent for his potential. We haven't seen Android 17 and Freeza train so their potentials could have been anything. Just because it didn't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean it's bullshit. I think the biggest problem here is that people are comparing other races to the saiyans. If they have more potential than the saiyans then it's bull shit. Well, it's not. No one was yelling bullshit when the saiyans were severely outclassing the humans because different races have different potentials. Yet when other races outclass the saiyans then we have a problem on our hands. It doesn't ruin anything besides your headcanon tbh. Of course, anything technically could happen. It's fiction.

We've seen him train one way, not a magical new way that can be pulled right out of the ass like Trunks. Also no if they were such a big deal, they would have made it a big deal way before this series. But they were never ever painted like that. It's also nice to think all of those past moments, all of those iconic parts back from the 90's, was basically just people lucky there were a bunch of lazy fucks that could have ended them if they spent mere hours doing push ups, sit ups, and drinking plenty of juice. That's the only reason they ever got anywhere.

It's so ridiculous there's nothing to be invested in anymore. Nothing can come off as truly bullshit in a way, because there is no limiting rules. There's no laws of the universe. Anything goes. There's nothing to be surprising or earned as it's just gonna come up when they feel like it, with the lamest excuses possible

[kinisking]

Not really. But ah Yamcha is the descendant of a legendary space bandit. You just didn't know so that's ok then.

The whole you didn't know at the time does not make it any better at all, when it was never a thing years ago that no one bought. It's a horrible lame ass excuse that ruins past and future endeavors under a lame ass excuse to try and justify nonsense.

Not to mention considering the heaps of BS, they really could have any dumb crap happen. Especially in the case of Yamcha if they really wanted to.

We've seen Yamcha train. We have precedent for his potential. We haven't seen Android 17 and Freeza train so their potentials could have been anything. Just because it didn't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean it's bullshit. I think the biggest problem here is that people are comparing other races to the saiyans. If they have more potential than the saiyans then it's bull shit. Well, it's not. No one was yelling bullshit when the saiyans were severely outclassing the humans because different races have different potentials. Yet when other races outclass the saiyans then we have a problem on our hands. It doesn't ruin anything besides your headcanon tbh. Of course, anything technically could happen. It's fiction.

We've seen him train one way, not a magical new way that can be pulled right out of the ass like Trunks. Also no if they were such a big deal, they would have made it a big deal way before this series. But they were never ever painted like that. It's also nice to think all of those past moments, all of those iconic parts back from the 90's, was basically just people lucky there were a bunch of lazy fucks that could have ended them if they spent mere hours doing push ups, sit ups, and drinking plenty of juice. That's the only reason they ever got anywhere.

It's so ridiculous there's nothing to be invested in anymore. Nothing can come off as truly bullshit in a way, because there is no limiting rules. There's no laws of the universe. Anything goes. There's nothing to be surprising or earned as it's just gonna come up when they feel like it, with the lamest excuses possible

Just like the tail, zenkais, and pretty much anything Saiyan were never a big deal until they had to be. Yes, the cast did get lucky. I wouldn't say it ruins it. It just shows that if you don't work hard then you'll get beaten. It's a theme in the show.

So.. fiction in its entirety.

[dbzfan7]

We've seen Yamcha train. We have precedent for his potential. We haven't seen Android 17 and Freeza train so their potentials could have been anything. Just because it didn't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean it's bullshit. I think the biggest problem here is that people are comparing other races to the saiyans. If they have more potential than the saiyans then it's bull shit. Well, it's not. No one was yelling bullshit when the saiyans were severely outclassing the humans because different races have different potentials. Yet when other races outclass the saiyans then we have a problem on our hands. It doesn't ruin anything besides your headcanon tbh. Of course, anything technically could happen. It's fiction.

We've seen him train one way, not a magical new way that can be pulled right out of the ass like Trunks. Also no if they were such a big deal, they would have made it a big deal way before this series. But they were never ever painted like that. It's also nice to think all of those past moments, all of those iconic parts back from the 90's, was basically just people lucky there were a bunch of lazy fucks that could have ended them if they spent mere hours doing push ups, sit ups, and drinking plenty of juice. That's the only reason they ever got anywhere.

It's so ridiculous there's nothing to be invested in anymore. Nothing can come off as truly bullshit in a way, because there is no limiting rules. There's no laws of the universe. Anything goes. There's nothing to be surprising or earned as it's just gonna come up when they feel like it, with the lamest excuses possible

Just like the tail, zenkais, and pretty much anything Saiyan were never a big deal until they had to be. Yes, the cast did get lucky. I wouldn't say it ruins it. It just shows that if you don't work hard then you'll get beaten. It's a theme in the show.

So.. fiction in its entirety.

Tails were always a big deal, Zenkai's have always been abused since namek til they got rid of them (Thank goodness). I'd it does as that's literally kills all the special moments for me. They didn't get far because of their own hard work, but because someone else didn't put in the hard work. So they literally got by, because of laziness, which imo is absolutely awful.

No that's bad fiction. Good fiction can set their own rules, and stand by them. If they want to break or change those rules, usually the do a damn good job explaining why this is the case. I'm not interested in just pretty lights and fights or who is stronger than who. I am interested in the hero's journey, the progression, the struggles of both hero and villain. I ain't interested in breaking rules for convenience and purdy fights. This is the kind of stuff they SHOULD be spending their time building lore up on. The journey. Which actually is one of Dragon Balls biggest problems even back then. The journey is skipped over quite a bit, which is annoying. I want these discoveries and changes to happen and be explained on screen, not just be tossed in there with a nickel and dime excuse.

I have never seen such a lax and not giving a crap about how they want their universe to work since well....parody works which is when it's not the focus. You need structure and rules to get behind people. Otherwise it stops becoming a surprise or interesting when they do accomplish something. Cause why bother caring when most of the time the answer is "It just is, because it just is". Someone's in a bad spot, that's ok instead of discovery we'll pull something right out of the rear because it's easier and could be really cool. Every time the rules are changed, it effects the past and makes it less sensible because the new rules aren't introduced well at all.

It's especially dreadful when so many people can sit down for 10 minutes and come up with so many ideas to make these changes, while also building up to them in sensible ways. The power off screen is not a story telling tool, it's an excuse.

[Totamo]

We've seen him train one way, not a magical new way that can be pulled right out of the ass like Trunks. Also no if they were such a big deal, they would have made it a big deal way before this series. But they were never ever painted like that. It's also nice to think all of those past moments, all of those iconic parts back from the 90's, was basically just people lucky there were a bunch of lazy fucks that could have ended them if they spent mere hours doing push ups, sit ups, and drinking plenty of juice. That's the only reason they ever got anywhere.

It's so ridiculous there's nothing to be invested in anymore. Nothing can come off as truly bullshit in a way, because there is no limiting rules. There's no laws of the universe. Anything goes. There's nothing to be surprising or earned as it's just gonna come up when they feel like it, with the lamest excuses possible

Just like the tail, zenkais, and pretty much anything Saiyan were never a big deal until they had to be. Yes, the cast did get lucky. I wouldn't say it ruins it. It just shows that if you don't work hard then you'll get beaten. It's a theme in the show.

So.. fiction in its entirety.

Tails were always a big deal, Zenkai's have always been abused since namek til they got rid of them (Thank goodness). I'd it does as that's literally kills all the special moments for me. They didn't get far because of their own hard work, but because someone else didn't put in the hard work. So they literally got by, because of laziness, which imo is absolutely awful.

No that's bad fiction. Good fiction can set their own rules, and stand by them. If they want to break or change those rules, usually the do a damn good job explaining why this is the case. I'm not interested in just pretty lights and fights or who is stronger than who. I am interested in the hero's journey, the progression, the struggles of both hero and villain. I ain't interested in breaking rules for convenience and purdy fights. This is the kind of stuff they SHOULD be spending their time building lore up on. The journey. Which actually is one of Dragon Balls biggest problems even back then. The journey is skipped over quite a bit, which is annoying. I want these discoveries and changes to happen and be explained on screen, not just be tossed in there with a nickel and dime excuse.

I have never seen such a lax and not giving a crap about how they want their universe to work since well....parody works which is when it's not the focus. You need structure and rules to get behind people. Otherwise it stops becoming a surprise or interesting when they do accomplish something. Cause why bother caring when most of the time the answer is "It just is, because it just is". Someone's in a bad spot, that's ok instead of discovery we'll pull something right out of the rear because it's easier and could be really cool. Every time the rules are changed, it effects the past and makes it less sensible because the new rules aren't introduced well at all.

It's especially dreadful when so many people can sit down for 10 minutes and come up with so many ideas to make these changes, while also building up to them in sensible ways. The power off screen is not a story telling tool, it's an excuse.

I rather have laziness than stupidity, though. You even knew back then if any of the villains of dragonball were intelligent, our heroes would have died.

Dragon Ball is written on the fly, we all know this. The things you want are for stories that are preplanned or not meant to sell toys.

I don't know what to tell you except drop the series. It's not for you.

[dbzfan7]

Just like the tail, zenkais, and pretty much anything Saiyan were never a big deal until they had to be. Yes, the cast did get lucky. I wouldn't say it ruins it. It just shows that if you don't work hard then you'll get beaten. It's a theme in the show.

So.. fiction in its entirety.

Tails were always a big deal, Zenkai's have always been abused since namek til they got rid of them (Thank goodness). I'd it does as that's literally kills all the special moments for me. They didn't get far because of their own hard work, but because someone else didn't put in the hard work. So they literally got by, because of laziness, which imo is absolutely awful.

No that's bad fiction. Good fiction can set their own rules, and stand by them. If they want to break or change those rules, usually the do a damn good job explaining why this is the case. I'm not interested in just pretty lights and fights or who is stronger than who. I am interested in the hero's journey, the progression, the struggles of both hero and villain. I ain't interested in breaking rules for convenience and purdy fights. This is the kind of stuff they SHOULD be spending their time building lore up on. The journey. Which actually is one of Dragon Balls biggest problems even back then. The journey is skipped over quite a bit, which is annoying. I want these discoveries and changes to happen and be explained on screen, not just be tossed in there with a nickel and dime excuse.

I have never seen such a lax and not giving a crap about how they want their universe to work since well....parody works which is when it's not the focus. You need structure and rules to get behind people. Otherwise it stops becoming a surprise or interesting when they do accomplish something. Cause why bother caring when most of the time the answer is "It just is, because it just is". Someone's in a bad spot, that's ok instead of discovery we'll pull something right out of the rear because it's easier and could be really cool. Every time the rules are changed, it effects the past and makes it less sensible because the new rules aren't introduced well at all.

It's especially dreadful when so many people can sit down for 10 minutes and come up with so many ideas to make these changes, while also building up to them in sensible ways. The power off screen is not a story telling tool, it's an excuse.

I rather have laziness than stupidity, though. You even knew back then if any of the villains of dragonball were intelligent, our heroes would have died.

Dragon Ball is written on the fly, we all know this. The things you want are for stories that are preplanned or not meant to sell toys.

I don't know what to tell you except drop the series. It's not for you.

I'd rather stupidity than laziness. Makes all the accomplishments to me feel not at all earned, but merely on another form of stupidity such as laziness.

Even western cartoons meant to sell toys do a much better job following their own rules. Like TMNT, Transformers, Multitudes of Super Hero cartoons on things like Cartoon Network, Disney XD, or Nicktoons. They follow their own simple logic and rules, unless they're meant to be a parody show/comedy. It's really not asking for that much.

I'm not sure the series that's mostly done a decent job til now, is not for me. This just sounds like another way to merely throw out criticism because you don't like it. I never even said anything along the lines of "Dragon Ball Super sucks balls because it lacks consistency." It doesn't break the entire show for me at all. There's still plenty about it I do like. So why would I want to not watch it if I still enjoy some aspects of it? It's not like I hate everything. I'd only drop it if there was nothing to like, but there are some things I do enjoy very much so, and things I do not like at all. You'd have a point if I hated Super and didn't like anything, but I do like things about it. I do enjoy it to a degree more often than despise it. You'd have a point if I didn't like anything at all about Super, but I don't hate the show at all. So as long as I enjoy some things, why would I drop it? Because people don't like it when I have issues with it? Because despite enjoying some things I don't blindly nod to every direction they go in?

It wouldn't make sense to leave just because of one thing I don't like. There's nothing wrong with wanting something to do better.

[Totamo]

Tails were always a big deal, Zenkai's have always been abused since namek til they got rid of them (Thank goodness). I'd it does as that's literally kills all the special moments for me. They didn't get far because of their own hard work, but because someone else didn't put in the hard work. So they literally got by, because of laziness, which imo is absolutely awful.

No that's bad fiction. Good fiction can set their own rules, and stand by them. If they want to break or change those rules, usually the do a damn good job explaining why this is the case. I'm not interested in just pretty lights and fights or who is stronger than who. I am interested in the hero's journey, the progression, the struggles of both hero and villain. I ain't interested in breaking rules for convenience and purdy fights. This is the kind of stuff they SHOULD be spending their time building lore up on. The journey. Which actually is one of Dragon Balls biggest problems even back then. The journey is skipped over quite a bit, which is annoying. I want these discoveries and changes to happen and be explained on screen, not just be tossed in there with a nickel and dime excuse.

I have never seen such a lax and not giving a crap about how they want their universe to work since well....parody works which is when it's not the focus. You need structure and rules to get behind people. Otherwise it stops becoming a surprise or interesting when they do accomplish something. Cause why bother caring when most of the time the answer is "It just is, because it just is". Someone's in a bad spot, that's ok instead of discovery we'll pull something right out of the rear because it's easier and could be really cool. Every time the rules are changed, it effects the past and makes it less sensible because the new rules aren't introduced well at all.

It's especially dreadful when so many people can sit down for 10 minutes and come up with so many ideas to make these changes, while also building up to them in sensible ways. The power off screen is not a story telling tool, it's an excuse.

I rather have laziness than stupidity, though. You even knew back then if any of the villains of dragonball were intelligent, our heroes would have died.

Dragon Ball is written on the fly, we all know this. The things you want are for stories that are preplanned or not meant to sell toys.

I don't know what to tell you except drop the series. It's not for you.

I'd rather stupidity than laziness. Makes all the accomplishments to me feel not at all earned, but merely on another form of stupidity such as laziness.

Even western cartoons meant to sell toys do a much better job following their own rules. Like TMNT, Transformers, Multitudes of Super Hero cartoons on things like Cartoon Network, Disney XD, or Nicktoons. They follow their own simple logic and rules, unless they're meant to be a parody show/comedy. It's really not asking for that much.

I'm not sure the series that's mostly done a decent job til now, is not for me. This just sounds like another way to merely throw out criticism because you don't like it. I never even said anything along the lines of "Dragon Ball Super sucks balls because it lacks consistency." It doesn't break the entire show for me at all. There's still plenty about it I do like. So why would I want to not watch it if I still enjoy some aspects of it? It's not like I hate everything. I'd only drop it if there was nothing to like, but there are some things I do enjoy very much so, and things I do not like at all. You'd have a point if I hated Super and didn't like anything, but I do like things about it. I do enjoy it to a degree more often than despise it. You'd have a point if I didn't like anything at all about Super, but I don't hate the show at all. So as long as I enjoy some things, why would I drop it? Because people don't like it when I have issues with it? Because despite enjoying some things I don't blindly nod to every direction they go in?

It wouldn't make sense to leave just because of one thing I don't like. There's nothing wrong with wanting something to do better.

You misunderstand me. I'm not trying to disagree with you. Super is a rollercoaster. It has no consistency in anything. Thats why I said, I don't know what to tell you.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't know what to tell you except drop the series. It's not for you.

Telling someone who hates the series to drop it? That is crazy talk! No one has the balls to actually drop it, where else are people going to waste hours on end moaning about this and that?

[dbs fanboy]

I don't know what to tell you except drop the series. It's not for you.

Telling someone who hates the series to drop it? That is crazy talk! No one has the balls to actually drop it, where else are people going to waste hours on end moaning about this and that?

Well actually in this case he's pretty much right so i don't see the point of this post

I mean criticizing something wanting it to be better =/= hating (a hater is the one that should drop the show); plus when then the series ends up improving it's really more satisfying after seeing the fuck ups.

[Lapislettuce]

Episode 87 spoilers
I wonder how strong these galactic poachers are !

[MrBlackFox]

Episode 87 spoilers
I wonder how strong these galactic poachers are !

Cool design

[LightBing]

In a Universe with less than 30 planets with life, I would think people would know not go to Earth and risk running into the monsters that are there.
Certainly they don't think Freeza just slipped on the tub one day and died...

Anyway, the premise seems to try and get #17 juices running. Let's see how's the execution, looking at the last two episodes I expect good things.