Kai Episode 1 (05 April 2009)

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:13 am

Tsukento wrote:Shonen characters don't smile! You won't be accepted into being a shonen character unless you stop smiling and serious up, like these guys!

So Berserk is shônen manga, now?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:18 am

Got the gender right. Would you have preferred I used InuYasha?

DongHyun · Post by **DongHyun** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:19 am

Dragon Ball KAI 1st episode rating

11.3%

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:35 am

Rating of what? Personal preference? Group preference? Amount of viewers?

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:47 am

Tsukento wrote:Rating of what? Personal preference? Group preference? Amount of viewers?

It's the audience rate of Kai in Japan. I have more

11.5%(11.5%) 04/05 18:00-18:30 CX* Chibi Maruko Chan
11.4%(--.-%) 04/03 19:30-19:54 EX* Crayon Shin-chan
11.3%(--.-%) 04/05 *9:00-*9:30 CX* Dragon Ball Kai
*9.9%(*8.1%) 04/05 *9:30-10:00 CX* One Piece
*9.3%(--.-%) 04/03 19:00-19:30 EX* Doraemon
*6.9%(--.-%) 04/04 18:00-18:30 NTV Detective Conan (Case Closed)
*6.2%(*6.9%) 04/05 *8:30-*9:00 EX* Fresh Pretty Cure
*6.1%(*5.5%) 04/02 19:00-19:57 TX* Pokemon DP SP

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:49 am

kei17 wrote: *9.3%(--.-%) 04/03 19:00-19:30 EX* Doraemon

Wow that show is still on? I always found it amazing they never dubbed it here for American audiences.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:49 am

kei17 wrote:
Tsukento wrote:Rating of what? Personal preference? Group preference? Amount of viewers?
It's the audience rate of Kai in Japan. I have more

11.5%(11.5%) 04/05 18:00-18:30 CX* Chibi Maruko Chan
11.4%(--.-%) 04/03 19:30-19:54 EX* Crayon Shin-chan
11.3%(--.-%) 04/05 *9:00-*9:30 CX* Dragon Ball Kai
*9.9%(*8.1%) 04/05 *9:30-10:00 CX* One Piece
*9.3%(--.-%) 04/03 19:00-19:30 EX* Doraemon
*6.9%(--.-%) 04/04 18:00-18:30 NTV Detective Conan (Case Closed)
*6.2%(*6.9%) 04/05 *8:30-*9:00 EX* Fresh Pretty Cure
*6.1%(*5.5%) 04/02 19:00-19:57 TX* Pokemon DP SP

So...does that mean it was that week's third most watched Anime or...?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:50 am

I'm surprised Crayon Shin-chan is actually doing that well.

Then again, it is among the group of the long running series'.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:51 am

Wow, Kai beat One Piece.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:10 am

Kendamu wrote: I'm glad. I'm kinda getting tired of all this Broken Base stuff and it's making me defensive.[/url]

Psh. The show overall doesn't SUCK. I'm enjoying it. I think it's more "Huh, neat' than "AWESOME", and I really doubt seeing myself buying it on DVD(maybe a few singles that have episodes with cool shots? Maybe just CDs of the themes), buecase it's simply not better to me. But it's fun to have something new, and I'll roll with it.

And anyway, a "broken base" generally comes around when somebody refuses to acknowledge that another person's opinion is just as valid. I'm fine with people who think that the cropping is "no big deal", but I'm NOT fine when somebody says "The cropping is no big deal, get over it you ass-sniffing baboon."

Everything has it's flaws. I saw a couple of rough cuts toward the end of the first episode. I'm not asking for people to lie and pretend it was perfect. It's just that I've just been seeing a lot of They Changed It Now It Sucks for every little new thing that's come out lately. Like I said, it's making me defensive.

I'm going with "They changed it, and some of those changes suck." I think that's fair.

It doesn't really bother me. I remember the manga better than the anime. If it translates the manga panels well enough, then I'm not bothered.

And I think that animation and comics are simply different mediums. When you don't respect the original work put into framing and animating the shot by cutting it in a new way, then the overall work's integrity is hurt. The decision may not "matter so much", even. But what spirit was it made in? The "Kids are idiots, they won't like things not taking up the whole screen" mentality that was so frustrating when Funimation used it to justify their edits and changes to the score.

That doesn't make them right. I'd give them just as much crap for it as I did you. Likely more since we're on Season 8 or 9 now of those things.

Sorry. =)

I don't care if people would rather watch another version of the show, but I really don't want to see this become the "new thing" that's cool to hate. That's all.

I don't want to hate it. But I also don't want to have to absolutely love it.

Innagadadavida wrote:I really don't understand why everybody is still upset about cropping. It's the same thing all over again. I don't see cropping as a valid complaint for Kai because the whole series has been released in a 4:3 format with amazing quality. I just don't understand why anybody would be concerned with the missing footage, especially with selective reframing. You are not missing anything important. A chin here, a symbol there, a small bit of hair, what's the big deal?

There IS a big deal if you never watch pan-and-scan movies because the ratio is simply wrong.

A movie is filmed at a widescreen ratio, and is meant to fit into a wisescreen frame. You cut off those sides, and you lose picture from the original

And NOTHING is a "valid argument" for Kai, then. "The music doesn't fit"

"TOO BAD IDIOT WATCH THE DRAGON BOXES."

"I don't like the new opening and ending songs"

"SHUT UP IDIOT GET YOUR DAMN CHA LA AND ZENKAI ON THE DRAGON BOXES"

There are probably 50 or more places in Kunzait's post where I could pick out a quote and say "DRAGON BOXES, SHUT UP". Is it really advisable?

Maybe I *want* to actually *DISCUSS* this show without jumping into some big Group Masturbation.

How is it disrespectful to the animation? Toei did it themselves, how can you disrespect your own work?

George effing Lucas.

Besides, Toei isn't an individual. It's a corporation, a group of people that adheres to the needs and desires of its shareholders, as well as any new management. Is EXACTLy the same set of people in charge and working on this? Who, EXACTLY, laid down the decision to make it widescreen? Were they the person that framed the shots originally?

And who is the guy re-framing the shots? Did they frame the original shots? To what extent was that whole endeavor from the "original creators", and how much was it Mr. Bigwig-sama up in Corporate saying "Kids won't like the show if there are black bars on the sides. Yes....there's a 9 year-old born every minute!"?

I don't buy "If it's Toei, it can't possibly suck. They made it the first time, after all!".

...

Oh, and good job, Kunzait. This is definitely one of your better posts, I have to say. I personally really like the songs(though this mainly refers to the closing theme). I felt exactly the same about the pacing during the Raditz VS Piccolo scene. I actually glanced away for a moment during that scene, and when I looked back the scene was over. That was a definite "huh"? for me.

NeptuneKai wrote:Wow that show is still on? I always found it amazing they never dubbed it here for American audiences.

Could be because it has 50 billion episodes and is extremely Japanese.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:12 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
kei17 wrote: *9.3%(--.-%) 04/03 19:00-19:30 EX* Doraemon
Wow that show is still on? I always found it amazing they never dubbed it here for American audiences.

Apparently Viz were going to dub one of the movies with Trey Parker making an appearance but that disappeared.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:18 am

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:
Could be because it has 50 billion episodes and is extremely Japanese.

It could be! MOST DEFINITELY!

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:20 am

Found a few comparison shots over at 4chan. Gives a decent idea on how different the coloring and cropping is compared to FUNi's first boxset.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:05 am

kei17 wrote:11.3%(--.-%) 04/05 *9:00-*9:30 CX* Dragon Ball Kai

DBZ episode 1 ~ 18.2%
DBZ episode 2 ~ 16.1%

Kai rated lower, but considering that it was on Sunday at 9am vs. DBZ which aired during prime time Wednesdays at 7pm, I'd say Kai did pretty damn good.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:39 am

Raditz's right leg makes me laugh

So, I have a few questions:

- Could it be that the fact that some of us did watch it "live" would raise the audience rate?

- What's the difference between airing on Sundays at 9am or airing on Wednesdays at 7pm? Aren't both "power hours"?

- Did anyone notice something strange when Chichi was asking Goku about Gohan? I'm referring to the scene where she is walking from the left of the screen and there seems to be... "something" near her hair. Could someone provide a screenshot from Kai?

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:47 am

alakazam^ wrote:- What's the difference between airing on Sundays at 9am or airing on Wednesdays at 7pm? Aren't both "power hours"?

The difference is that people generally sleep in during the morning. Meanwhile, everyone's having dinner during the evening.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:51 am

Tsukento wrote:
alakazam^ wrote:- What's the difference between airing on Sundays at 9am or airing on Wednesdays at 7pm? Aren't both "power hours"?
The difference is that people generally sleep in during the morning. Meanwhile, everyone's having dinner during the evening.

I know that, but you know, kids waking up early and such. It's fair enough, though

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:56 am

Gotta remember that Dragon Ball Z also has the nostalgia bit going for it. Us adults would wanna see it...but sleeping in sounds just as nice. ;;

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:57 am

The number of people watching television during prime time hours(hence, the phrase "prime time") is far, far greater than the audience at 9am on a Sunday morning.

The two are not even close.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:03 pm

After watching the episode on Youtube, I have this to say...and I'll keep it brief.

The original version, (even though it was longer and dragged out) is a lot better, forgetting cropping business and an updated HD image, the original show's BGM I prefer by a long way, and the voices aren't the same, I don't know if this is what HD does to the voices, but maybe it's what's making them sound so different, plus the fact that the Seiyu's haven't properly done this in a long time for DB minus the video games, and also they are older too, I have to say Goku and Gohan still sound somewhat the same, the only thing changed is the mood of how they are talking. Bulma is not the same, Kurilin isn't neither, Raditz sound different but I can deal with that since he'll be dead soon anyway. Even the farmer sounded better 20 odd years ago! I remember laughing at the sounds he makes just after Raditz lands, it sounds less humorous now though.

I think if you are a fan of the dub, you'd like this version better than the original version, the BGM is more similar to the dub than I thought it would be, but talking of the BGM, it's not bad, and it's composed well, I'm not a fan of rock type music, but I'm not bothered if it sounds good, it's just very different to what I expected the BGM to be like. Nevertheless, I found the BGM catchy and ok, meaning I'll probably get used to it and like it eventually. Good points about Kai are, obviously, the speed of progression, the sound effects, image quality and sound quality (meaning the crispness of it, my point about the voices sounding off still stands though). The colours match the manga more too, but still, the colour isn't a huge factor when summing up the quality of Kai to me.

I look forward to the rest, and I really hope the HD overlay doesn't look bad for the badly drawn episodes, and I mean the artists that never got some episodes right in the first place, like after Trunks chops Freeza in half, the episode after is a good example of how the art style drastically changed, I hope that the HD overlay doesn't make these episodes look even worse, since the art on some scenes was never up to scratch, and since the all the remastering was traced, I'm thinking certain episodes will look even worse than they did originally unless scenes are redrawn completely.

I don't think the Japanese people's opinions of the show will be a lot different. Its fan base from that era are probably in their late 20's/30's, so to those it's just good to see it back on TV, and to the young fans, it's just like a new thing to get into and they'll probably like it.