Unpopular DB opinions

[Saiga]

It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

You're jumping to conclusions if you take one attack as strict proof that Cell is leaps and bounds above Gohan. And yeah, I think Gohan could easily destroy Cell's arm if the situations were reversed. After all, he managed to destroy Cell's entire body. But of course you'll just discount any of Gohan's feats as "plot power" like you did before.

[Insertclevername]

It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

You're jumping to conclusions if you take one attack as strict proof that Cell is leaps and bounds above Gohan. And yeah, I think Gohan could easily destroy Cell's arm if the situations were reversed. After all, he managed to destroy Cell's entire body. But of course you'll just discount any of Gohan's feats as "plot power" like you did before.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=20156

This thread kinda goes with your point, and how, in theory, any one's Ki attacks can really injure anyone given the right circumstances of latter's Ki.

[Bussani]

It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

I'll use another example since you seem to have missed my last one: Goku tanked an extremely powerful island-nuking attack from Piccolo in the 23rd tournament by gathering his ki and bracing himself; he then claims that Piccolo must have used most of his stamina and proceeds to beat him into the ground; despite this, when he lets his guard down and turns his back on him, Piccolo is still able to shoot a mouth beam clean through his shoulder, without any warning or charging or anything. At best these two were equals, but given how much Goku had just flattened him, Piccolo was probably the weaker of the two. He was still able to deliver a devastating blow despite this.

You don't have to be immensely superior to someone to injure them. Being close to them and getting in a well placed and/or unexpected attack should be enough.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

You don't have to be immensely superior to someone to injure them. Being close to them and getting in a well placed and/or unexpected attack should be enough.

Oh, Freeza, 1% of your power, you say?

My torpedo kick to your jaw the first time you've actually been hurt since the last time your dad beat you, you say?

[Gaffer Tape]

I still assure you that the 1% thing was a dub-only invention.

[Ringworm128]

I think Babidi's Japanese voice is great.

[Hades]

I prefer Schemmel's Goku over that of MasakoX.

[Jackal puFF]

I'm currently rewatching all the Z movies and wow, Movie 8 has to be the worst movie out of them all. I used to think 4 was bad but the music placement saved it. In 8 it's like they forgot to put music during the scenes.

[Gonstead]

My unpopular opinions on the people behind Dragon Ball TV music. You'll probably kill me after reading these.

Shunsuke Kikuchi - Great orchestral music and is very fitting for build ups but the random twangs, slide whistles and boings are annoying. Lacks presence in fighting scenes. Placement has a good balance between music and silence.

Faulconer Productions - Very synthetic with a hint of rock. Very fitting for action scenes but lacks presence in build ups. Placement also needs more silence.

Mark Menza - Sort of a bland tone to it. Also lacks variety. Placement could have used some silence.

Nathan Johnson - Has this dark and edgy feel to it. Would be much better suited as a score for a movie but it has it's moments. Placement is okay but silence would have been good.

Westwood Dub Music: Cheesy sounding, like a saturday morning cartoon and is mostly made up of rock-based music. Re-used music from two other shows. Placement is decent but could have been better and silence would have been good.

Saban Music - Sort of "just there" type of composition and doesn't really add or take away anything. Placement is decent but silence would have been appreciated.

Akito Tokunaga - Very generic sounding. Terrible placement.

Kenji Yamamoto - An almost perfect mix of action and build up. Uses a variety of orchestral for build ups and some rock + synth for action scenes. Affected by copyright which resulted in removal from series. Placement was pretty good.

[son veku]

By twang's do you mean like during the opening song it goes silent and there is like a double twang noise (slap bass?)

[Gonstead]

By twang's do you mean like during the opening song it goes silent and there is like a double twang noise (slap bass?)

"twangs" like the stuff heard in this song

I also forgot to add the slide whistles.

[OzzyApu]

By twang's do you mean like during the opening song it goes silent and there is like a double twang noise (slap bass?)

"twangs" like the stuff heard in this song

I also forgot to add the slide whistles.

Right, twangs like this and slide whistles like in this.

[DBZAOTA482]

My unpopular opinions on the people behind Dragon Ball TV music. You'll probably kill me after reading these.

Nope, not at all. *hides sword behind back*

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I still assure you that the 1% thing was a dub-only invention.

I shall verify this in the near future, then!

[Nex Carnifex]

It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

You're jumping to conclusions if you take one attack as strict proof that Cell is leaps and bounds above Gohan. And yeah, I think Gohan could easily destroy Cell's arm if the situations were reversed. After all, he managed to destroy Cell's entire body. But of course you'll just discount any of Gohan's feats as "plot power" like you did before.

Gohan has been show to get "plot power" before, just like all the characters with sudden transformations. In Gohan's case he simply finds he has more power in his reserves than he previously thought, and that gets released in a blind rage like in the power struggle. We also take into effect that when pushed into a desperate situation the Z fighters always somehow hold off longer than they should be able to, we see this in all the major battles. Cell's natural ability at the point of his return was greater than Gohan's, thus when his arm is destroyed he remarks "he's powered up more than I thought" or something to that nature IIRC. Cell's attack was a casual one, with very minimal effort given, no charging whatsoever. If characters could do such damage to each other without charging and with such ease all the battles in the series would be way shorter and would not take fucking multiple episodes to complete. Cell surpassed SS2 Gohan at a natural state, this was made clear.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I'd also disagree with the theory, because for the fight to go the same everyone would have to be at similar strength levels, which means the 3 years of intense training would have done nothing.

Hmm, I suppose so.

I don't exactly have it all set out in my mind yet, and this isn't necessarily directed at you, but I'm not saying that the fight went exactly the same. Just that the events pretty much eventually followed up to what we saw in the main series before Kuririn chickened out and gave everyone Senzu to save their lives. Future Vegeta could've still become a Super Saiyan and been more than strong enough to destroy #19 and scare Gero into releasing #17 and #18.

Even Piccolo could've still been strong enough to knock him around, since Gero doesn't have any data from Namek and I believe that part of the reason Piccolo got so strong in those three years was Nail within him pushing his potential for power development. Of course, in this timeline, it was minus the benefit of SS Gokuu and Gohan sparring with him, but I think he still could've gotten damn strong nonetheless.

So then, Vegeta challenges #18, but subsequently gets his arm broken. As #18 continues to beat him up, Piccolo and co., including Kuririn (who doesn't chicken out this time because he doesn't know of his future death that could still happen), see no other choice but to charge in and help him, but are all defeated by #17 (who, as usual, is forced to step in as well) and #18 and subsequently die from their wounds. Gohan, who had been flying Blooma, Yajirobe and baby Trunks back home or whatever, returns to the battlefield when he senses the loss of his friends' ki. This provokes him into becoming a Super Saiyan.

[Nex Carnifex]

It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

I'll use another example since you seem to have missed my last one: Goku tanked an extremely powerful island-nuking attack from Piccolo in the 23rd tournament by gathering his ki and bracing himself; he then claims that Piccolo must have used most of his stamina and proceeds to beat him into the ground; despite this, when he lets his guard down and turns his back on him, Piccolo is still able to shoot a mouth beam clean through his shoulder, without any warning or charging or anything. At best these two were equals, but given how much Goku had just flattened him, Piccolo was probably the weaker of the two. He was still able to deliver a devastating blow despite this.

You don't have to be immensely superior to someone to injure them. Being close to them and getting in a well placed and/or unexpected attack should be enough.

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional. I'm not saying Cell was way above Gohan but he was significantly stronger, if this was the case with equals the characters would not take such long beatings in battles before the other could just use an energy attack to kill them.

[Nex Carnifex]

It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

I'll use another example since you seem to have missed my last one: Goku tanked an extremely powerful island-nuking attack from Piccolo in the 23rd tournament by gathering his ki and bracing himself; he then claims that Piccolo must have used most of his stamina and proceeds to beat him into the ground; despite this, when he lets his guard down and turns his back on him, Piccolo is still able to shoot a mouth beam clean through his shoulder, without any warning or charging or anything. At best these two were equals, but given how much Goku had just flattened him, Piccolo was probably the weaker of the two. He was still able to deliver a devastating blow despite this.

You don't have to be immensely superior to someone to injure them. Being close to them and getting in a well placed and/or unexpected attack should be enough.

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional. I'm not saying Cell was way above Gohan but he was significantly stronger, if this was the case with equals the characters would not take such long beatings in battles before the other could just use an energy attack to kill them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional. I'm not saying Cell was way above Gohan but he was significantly stronger, if this was the case with equals the characters would not take such long beatings in battles before the other could just use an energy attack to kill them.

You know that Majin Vegeta knocked out SS2 Gokuu when his back was turned, and they were equals? Yeah. Same situation here, except that's actually more than just rendering half of his body non-functional. And, judging by their fight, I think you'd be foolish to argue that Vegeta was significantly stronger than Gokuu.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Gohan, who had been flying Blooma, Yajirobe and baby Trunks back home or whatever, returns to the battlefield when he senses the loss of his friends' ki. This provokes him into becoming a Super Saiyan.

The whole scenario is suspect to me, but this portion in particular, why would this part happen when Bluma only showed up because she knew the Jinzoningen would be there?

Anyway, the Jinzoningen don't have ki and the gang wasn't warned about their appearance in this timeline, so they wouldn't have a reason to all show up as a group.

-Kuririn and Yamcha might go after watching TV. Kuririn might call Gohan, like with Mecha Freeza, but with out a ki to measure the threat....
-Chi Chi would probably forbid Gohan from going until the kid realized his friends were dying and he couldn't just sit around.
-Tenshinhan and Chaozu typically live in no-man's land. So no ki, no batsignal.
-Piccolo lives in the boonies. So without a ki signal, he probably wouldn't go unless Kami asked him to or his friends started getting hurt.
-Vegeta probably wouldn't go until Piccolo got himself injured at least, because he wouldn't think they are strong enough to waste his time on without a ki reading.