Viz's Print Edition of the "Full Colour Comics" Discussion

[IAmTheMilkMan]

It's also worth mentioning that the word-bubbles within the panels are also read from right to left, though you may have figured that out while reading it.

[xmysticgohanx]

This is something I always wondered so what about those panels where the bottom left one is next to the two panels on the bottom right? Edit: After looking at it some more I figured it out. It's the bottom right ones first.

Spoiler:

[rereboy]

Its exactly the same as western comics, except the orientation is backwards (right to left instead of left to right).

[Ajay]

Yeah, you're always reading right to left no matter what. Panels follow the same rules no matter how they're laid out.



After reading so much manga, I start trying to go back to western comics and keep reading everything backwards. So frustrating

[CordonBloo]

I've been reading them, so far I've read the first three and have noticed a few changes in the dialogue. Most of the time I don't really understand why it's been changed.

Kuririn's, "I feel like a Kamikaze, dammit..." was changed to "I feel like a Kamikaze." Piccolo says "Wake up child of mine" to Gohan, and now says "Wake up child of Goku". When Gohan attacks Nappa he now says "Masenko!" but on the original Viz he just yells.

I hope these changes are more in line with the original translation, but sometimes just seem unnecessary.

[Herms]

Kuririn's, "I feel like a Kamikaze, dammit..." was changed to "I feel like a Kamikaze." Piccolo says "Wake up child of mine" to Gohan, and now says "Wake up child of Goku". When Gohan attacks Nappa he now says "Masenko!" but on the original Viz he just yells.

"I feel like a kamikaze, dammit" was probably changed to avoid using a swear word. In Japanese Kuririn uses the swearword chikushou there. Viz removed quite a few instances of cursing in their later editions.

Gohan does say "Masenko" at that point in Japanese; it's actually the only point that attack name is used throughout the manga. Viz having him yell instead was a weird change that they fixed in later editions, even before the full color release.

"Wake up child of Goku" is basically what Piccolo says in Japanese, although there it's more like "hey, Son Goku's kid, wake up!" (same meaning, different tone). Viz's original "wake up, child of mine" was probably just sort of a joke, since "child of mine" is an old-fashioned phrase which implies affection Piccolo obviously lacks at this point.

Overall, I think all of these changes to the translation were made first in older Viz editions prior to this, and that no new changes were made to the translation for the full color release.

[jrdemr]

Overall, I think all of these changes to the translation were made first in older Viz editions prior to this, and that no new changes were made to the translation for the full color release.

Which is a shame, the current translation could certainly use a revision. It's not that bad overall and the Piccolo talk doesn't bother me all that much, but the whole "Vegeta killing grandpa Gohan" incident should never had seen the light of day. Also not very fond of their "translator's notes".

[Ajay]

"Vegeta killing grandpa Gohan" incident should never had seen the light of day.

Was this a manga error too or are you confusing it with the initial Ocean cast dub? I wasn't aware that made it into the manga too.

[jrdemr]

Was this a manga error too or are you confusing it with the initial Ocean cast dub? I wasn't aware that made it into the manga too.

Unfortunately, it very much did. It was a nod back to that early dub which also ended up modifying the next line, where Vegeta explained exactly by how much the Oozaru form powered him up.

[Puto]

Sort of. Viz had Gokū state that Vegeta killed Grandpa Gohan, and then Vegeta calls him an idiot because that makes no sense.

[KentalSSJ6]

"Vegeta killing grandpa Gohan" incident should never had seen the light of day.

Was this a manga error too or are you confusing it with the initial Ocean cast dub? I wasn't aware that made it into the manga too.

Its in the full color. Page 64 and 65 of volume 3.

Goku - "I've heard of apes like you! My Grandpa! You killed my grandpa!"

[jrdemr]

Sort of. Viz had Gokū state that Vegeta killed Grandpa Gohan, and then Vegeta calls him an idiot because that makes no sense.

Yes, it's not exactly the same, it's never actually stated that Vegeta killed Gohan, but they modified those three lines to make a nod to the original dub, omitting in-universe information in the process.

[Ajay]

Jesus. I was not aware of that. That's awful.

[CordonBloo]

Kuririn's, "I feel like a Kamikaze, dammit..." was changed to "I feel like a Kamikaze." Piccolo says "Wake up child of mine" to Gohan, and now says "Wake up child of Goku". When Gohan attacks Nappa he now says "Masenko!" but on the original Viz he just yells.

"I feel like a kamikaze, dammit" was probably changed to avoid using a swear word. In Japanese Kuririn uses the swearword chikushou there. Viz removed quite a few instances of cursing in their later editions.

Gohan does say "Masenko" at that point in Japanese; it's actually the only point that attack name is used throughout the manga. Viz having him yell instead was a weird change that they fixed in later editions, even before the full color release.

"Wake up child of Goku" is basically what Piccolo says in Japanese, although there it's more like "hey, Son Goku's kid, wake up!" (same meaning, different tone). Viz's original "wake up, child of mine" was probably just sort of a joke, since "child of mine" is an old-fashioned phrase which implies affection Piccolo obviously lacks at this point.

Overall, I think all of these changes to the translation were made first in older Viz editions prior to this, and that no new changes were made to the translation for the full color release.

Thank you for clearing that up, I'm glad that this is more faithful to the original. Shame about the censorship though, 'Dammit' isn't even really considered a bad word in this country.

Regarding the Goku and Vegeta thing... Did Goku ever find out it was him?

[Herms]

Regarding the Goku and Vegeta thing... Did Goku ever find out it was him?

Goku finds out that he himself was the giant monkey monster who killed his grandfather in that scene where he first sees Oozaru Vegeta, if that's what you mean. Viz has Goku mistakenly think Vegeta was the culprit at first, but even there Goku gets the picture soon enough.

[IAmTheMilkMan]

Sort of. Viz had Gokū state that Vegeta killed Grandpa Gohan, and then Vegeta calls him an idiot because that makes no sense.

Yes, it's not exactly the same, it's never actually stated that Vegeta killed Gohan, but they modified those three lines to make a nod to the original dub, omitting in-universe information in the process.

Ugh... Dammit. What was actually said in the original Japanese? What in-universe information was lost?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Ugh... Dammit. What was actually said in the original Japanese? What in-universe information was lost?

I don't really remember. Wasn't it the Ozaru's power multiplier?

[jrdemr]

I don't really remember. Wasn't it the Ozaru's power multiplier?

Exactly. The Viz edition never stated that Vegeta's strength gets multiplied by 10 in Oozaru form.

[mikezilla2]

so how far a long are we ? was hoping to pick up some sort of an omnibus or collected set one day ....

[TheDevilsCorpse]

so how far a long are we ? was hoping to pick up some sort of an omnibus or collected set one day ....

Saiyan Arc is released, and that's currently all they have planned.