Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:44 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
B wrote:Hardcore fans should never be involved in anything official, for any series. TV, anime, books, whatever.
Yeah...
A fan of the source material they're adapting could never bring anything successful to life...

Having a Director who is a fan of the source =/= to having fans write it.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:46 pm

omegacwa wrote:
MisterFlashdude wrote:
B wrote:Hardcore fans should never be involved in anything official, for any series. TV, anime, books, whatever.
Yeah...
A fan of the source material they're adapting could never bring anything successful to life...
Having a Director who is a fan of the source =/= to having fans write it.

He wrote it, too. Along with two other fans dedicated to the source.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:48 pm

I am pretty sure people are referring to the whole fan community writing the movie, not a select few.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:57 pm

I think the point being that someone who's both a fan AND a talented/trained movie maker would be far better qualified to do it than someone who's "just a fan." They would know what to do and not do to strike a good balance between respect to the source and just being a good movie. Fans would just throw everything that they want in there and end up with a muddled mess.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:58 pm

omegacwa wrote:I am pretty sure people are referring to the whole fan community writing the movie, not a select few.

How does a whole community write anything together? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

He said hardcore fans shouldn't be involved in any medium of adaption in any way. I gave an example why I disagree. You'd now like to clarify that it'd just be stupid to have a few hundred thousand fans have creative input on the project... yeah, that'd be a bad idea beyond something like opinion polling.
But the idea that adaptions shouldn't be helmed by fans or made with fans in mind is a bad excuse not to try.

B · Post by B » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:24 pm

Taku128 wrote:
Chrono Trigger wrote:Yeah if the hardcore WATCHMEN fans could have had it their way that movie would have been 4 and half hours long. If Dragon Balls fans could have had it their way...who knows what could have happened.
Actually Zack Snyder is a hardcore fan, which is why the movie so closely resembled the comic, and the final cut of the movie is three hours and fourty minutes. He updated the costumes so they wouldn't look ridiculous, while for the most part still capturing the feel of the original costumes and looking similar. I don't think it's fair to compare Dragon Ball and Watchmen though.

Not to mention Watchmen takes place in a quasi-realistic world, thus making it much easier to adapt than Dragon Ball, which is fantasy to a T.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:29 pm

On the subject of fans...

"Yes, I have seen the New REBOOTED Enterprise… at any rate, I don’t like it. It is supposed to be NCC-1701, no bloody A,B,C,D or E! and it sure does not look like the 1701 I grew up with!

I have seen what was purported to be the final design of the New Enterprise, and I don’t like the changes. Period." -James Cowley, a fan who's produced his own Star Trek series

The new Enterprise:

The original Enterprise:

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:08 pm

omegacwa wrote:I am pretty sure people are referring to the whole fan community writing the movie, not a select few.

If that were the case, then it would take a few hours for the credits to list all the writers.

Too many DBZ fans.

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:11 pm

Of course! Freeza's mother ship is the Star trek enterprise!

As for a whole community writing things together, I can see how it would partially work; However as the old saying goes... "Too many chefs spoil the food." - Or something like that...

I guess everybody has a different opinion, and what some may deem acceptable and humorous others may find a waste of time. Even something like shooting a scene. In one persons opinion it could be just right, In anothers it should be shot from a different angle. There would still need to be somebody who is solely in charge of the production and who has the final say. With anything there will always be people who are unhappy with the result. (Some people are just no-good grumpy old codgers.)

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:32 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:
Pain wrote:
Saiyavenger2941 wrote: Goldberg? Fuck that noise. STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN.

Then those bleeps in the "OVER 9000" video would really make sense.
No, Stone Clod seems too overpowering. He seems like he'll try to steal the show(Figure Of Speech). Goldberg works. He seems like more of a dumb buff guy.
How about Hulk Hogan playing Mr. Satan? I can see that working if he changed his hair a little.

Uh, Randy Savage?

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:36 pm

Big Momma wrote:
saiyanprincess wrote:
Pain wrote: No, Stone Clod seems too overpowering. He seems like he'll try to steal the show(Figure Of Speech). Goldberg works. He seems like more of a dumb buff guy.
How about Hulk Hogan playing Mr. Satan? I can see that working if he changed his hair a little.
Uh, Randy Savage?

Screw all o' them: this guy.

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:57 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I am pretty sure people are referring to the whole fan community writing the movie, not a select few.
How does a whole community write anything together? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

He said hardcore fans shouldn't be involved in any medium of adaption in any way. I gave an example why I disagree. You'd now like to clarify that it'd just be stupid to have a few hundred thousand fans have creative input on the project... yeah, that'd be a bad idea beyond something like opinion polling.
But the idea that adaptions shouldn't be helmed by fans or made with fans in mind is a bad excuse not to try.

This.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:11 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:Screw all o' them: this guy.

YES. GOD YES.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:35 pm

Sam Raimi is a fan of the older Spider-Man characters, but not of Venom, so his fandom clearly went a long way.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:45 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Sam Raimi is a fan of the older Spider-Man characters, but not of Venom, so his fandom clearly went a long way.

A long way to making bad Spider-Man films, maybe.

Good effects, sure. Quite excellent effects. But everything else is bullshit. From the minor fanwank quibbles like organic web shooters to real problems like completely missing the point of characters and adapting a scene just to rob it of its significance.

And as everyone knows, that third film was a train wreck...

EXCEPT the "emo" scene. That part I liked.

Budokai23 · Post by **Budokai23** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:23 pm

Well in the end DBE will have made a little success. Box Office Mojo had the budget wrong by $10 million so now it's made $42 million worldwide. By next weekend it will probably surpass its budget. Also DVD sales and other merchandise will have made this movie a small success. I'm sure the DVDs will sell a fair amount to.

ShinRogafuken · Post by **ShinRogafuken** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:06 pm

Basically FOX isn't complaining about how it is doing.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:07 pm

Budokai23 wrote:Well in the end DBE will have made a little success. Box Office Mojo had the budget wrong by $10 million so now it's made $42 million worldwide. By next weekend it will probably surpass its budget. Also DVD sales and other merchandise will have made this movie a small success. I'm sure the DVDs will sell a fair amount to.

I am happy to hear that, now I can see the one I have been waiting on. The one and only live action Vegeta, the best part about it is that he will be in the (hopefully) better quality movie.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:08 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:the one I have been waiting on. The one and only live action Vegeta

I've been waiting for that myself, but for an entirely different reason than you.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:10 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:Basically FOX isn't complaining about how it is doing.

I just don't understand it. The movie does bad and it gets a sequel. It's like I woke up one morning and the world turned upside down...