Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Blade]

I think for the casual American Dragonball Z fan with little concept 'Toriyama Dragonball' as opposed to 'Toei Dragonball', it may be difficult to reconcile the revival of Freeza, given that, including Movie 12 and GT, it's been done twice.

It's easy to forget that sometimes, as especially here on Kanzenshuu, we tend to seperate Toriyama's work directly from anything that's contrived from it, and a lot of the casual American fans are unlikey to have even read the Manga.

[VegettoEX]

I think for the casual American Dragonball Z fan with little concept 'Toriyama Dragonball' as opposed to 'Toei Dragonball', it may be difficult to reconcile the revival of Freeza, given that, including Movie 12 and GT, it's been done twice.

To compound that, each of these came many years later after their original Japanese releases to the general American audience, so it's been even longer in Japan since "Freeza's back" was a thing.

Other than Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, I guess, which we basically got at the same time.

[Herms]

I think for the casual American Dragonball Z fan with little concept 'Toriyama Dragonball' as opposed to 'Toei Dragonball', it may be difficult to reconcile the revival of Freeza, given that, including Movie 12 and GT, it's been done twice.

It's easy to forget that sometimes, as especially here on Kanzenshuu, we tend to seperate Toriyama's work directly from anything that's contrived from it, and a lot of the casual American fans are unlikey to have even read the Manga.

On the flipside of that, how many casual fans would even be aware that Freeza had those cameos in movie 12 or GT? I'm sure there's loads of people in the US who aren't too familiar with anything outside of the Z TV series.

[TheGmGoken]

I think for the casual American Dragonball Z fan with little concept 'Toriyama Dragonball' as opposed to 'Toei Dragonball', it may be difficult to reconcile the revival of Freeza, given that, including Movie 12 and GT, it's been done twice.

It's easy to forget that sometimes, as especially here on Kanzenshuu, we tend to seperate Toriyama's work directly from anything that's contrived from it, and a lot of the casual American fans are unlikey to have even read the Manga.

On the flipside of that, how many casual fans would even be aware that Freeza had those cameos in movie 12 or GT? I'm sure there's loads of people in the US who aren't too familiar with anything outside of the Z TV series.

They probably know of GT as Ssj4 is pretty popular. I'm not sure about movie 12 though unless they play video games. Very interesting. I actually want to conduct a survey with this. I know some people who have seen everything Z related. How big of an impact is Freeza coming back for other countries? I know Freeza and Cell are the most popular villains. So either one would had created a buzz.

[Doctor.]

I would hate Toriyama if he will make these soldiers - Tagoma and Sorbet - stronger than the Ginyu squad, and also claim that they were stronger back then in Namek saga too, I would hate him if would he will do it without giving an explanation. A possible explanation would be: They were part of the Ginew squad, but they had other duties to fulfill. Or they were some procurators when Freeza was out of his Empire for some reason?

I highly doubt they're not gonna be stronger.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So you would consider the 15th DBZ movie canon, but not the 12th? I mean, I get it. Akira Toriyama came up with this story, blah, blah, blah.... but isn't it a little weird to say this is OK but not something that happened 3 movies before? It's the movies. It's weird to say "OK, after this point everything is canon". Also, if Toei just keeps making DBZ movies well after Akira Toriyama isn't involved for whatever reason, would you just pick these two movies out as canon?

I guess it depends on what you mean. I subscribe to a Universe 7 Multiverse theory where everything is canon (though I hate the term at this point) in it's own timeline, but most people only have the main series timeline and the others that are actually relevant (Trunks and Cell's futures). In the latter case, I don't really understand how this would be weird?

Ignoring people's problems with the story itself, BOG and ROF only have some potential little, technical plotholes of numbers not matching up. They can mostly be reconciled and made to fit without much hassle. This kinda work's for Bojack Unbound and Wrath of the Dragon, which is why some people include them too, but how would you do that for a film like World's Strongest, Tree of Might or Lord Slug? They can't take place before the Saiyans, because Goku uses techniques like the Kaioken. They can't take place after the Saiyans either, because half the characters are dead or on Namek. How would you view everything as canon in a single timeline?

[Hellspawn28]

I think for the casual American Dragonball Z fan with little concept 'Toriyama Dragonball' as opposed to 'Toei Dragonball', it may be difficult to reconcile the revival of Freeza, given that, including Movie 12 and GT, it's been done twice.

It's easy to forget that sometimes, as especially here on Kanzenshuu, we tend to seperate Toriyama's work directly from anything that's contrived from it, and a lot of the casual American fans are unlikey to have even read the Manga.

On the flipside of that, how many casual fans would even be aware that Freeza had those cameos in movie 12 or GT? I'm sure there's loads of people in the US who aren't too familiar with anything outside of the Z TV series.

I think the DBZ fans who grew up watching DBZ on Toonami may have seen GT. I'm not sure about Movie 12 since most casual fans don't know about the other DBZ movies besides Broly and maybe Coola.

[Dbzk1999]

I think for the casual American Dragonball Z fan with little concept 'Toriyama Dragonball' as opposed to 'Toei Dragonball', it may be difficult to reconcile the revival of Freeza, given that, including Movie 12 and GT, it's been done twice.

It's easy to forget that sometimes, as especially here on Kanzenshuu, we tend to seperate Toriyama's work directly from anything that's contrived from it, and a lot of the casual American fans are unlikey to have even read the Manga.

On the flipside of that, how many casual fans would even be aware that Freeza had those cameos in movie 12 or GT? I'm sure there's loads of people in the US who aren't too familiar with anything outside of the Z TV series.

I think the DBZ fans who grew up watching DBZ on Toonami may have seen GT. I'm not sure about Movie 12 since most casual fans don't know about the other DBZ movies besides Broly and maybe Coola.

Even the casuals have most likely seen movie 12, considering gogeta also seems to be a popular character

[Bullza]

So you would consider the 15th DBZ movie canon, but not the 12th?

Well being as the 15th movie is canon and the 12th movie isn't canon then yes.

I mean, I get it. Akira Toriyama came up with this story, blah, blah, blah.... but isn't it a little weird to say this is OK but not something that happened 3 movies before?

No that isnt weird at all. The other movies never happened to begin with. This movie as well as the last movie did happen as was said when the movie was announced.

It's not weird to say the Garlic Jr saga never happened but the Android saga did and this is no different.

Also, if Toei just keeps making DBZ movies well after Akira Toriyama isn't involved for whatever reason, would you just pick these two movies out as canon?

Well they are canon so I'd have to. Its not just because Toriyama is involved either, they came out and said it was an official part of the story that took place between two chapters in the manga and it wasn't a spinoff or side story.

[JulieYBM]

Canon to what? Fukkatsu no F doesn't occur in the comic, therefore...it doesn't occur in the comic. It has no baring on the original comic at all.

[ZombieVito]

Canon to what? Kami to Kami doesn't occur in the comic, therefore...it doesn't occur in the comic. It has no baring on the original comic at all.

[Kamiccolo9]

Canon to what? Kami to Kami doesn't occur in the comic, therefore...it doesn't occur in the comic. It has no baring on the original comic at all.

I'm not seeing the problem here.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, use your words if you want to express dissent. You're old enough to read, you're old enough to write.

[Ajay]

Oh god, if you're trying to make a point about him using 'comic' instead of 'manga' then I am going to cringe my ass off. What do you think manga is?!

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh god, if you're trying to make a point about him using 'comic' instead of 'manga' then I am going to cringe my ass off. What do you think manga is?!

Just realized my sig sums that up really well. Totally did not notice that at first

[TheGmGoken]

Canon to what? Kami to Kami doesn't occur in the comic, therefore...it doesn't occur in the comic. It has no baring on the original comic at all.

A manga is a comic. Just like a manhwa is a comic.

[eledoremassis02]

Just found these:

[Ajay]

Someone already extracted these from the website a few pages back. Though they didn't squish the images out of their original aspect.

[eledoremassis02]

Someone already extracted these from the website a few pages back. Though they didn't squish the images out of their original aspect.

Ah I figured as much... lol

[The Tori-bot]

Canon to what? Kami to Kami doesn't occur in the comic, therefore...it doesn't occur in the comic. It has no baring on the original comic at all.

Psst...

... You know the TV series...?

Spoiler:

... It's a CARTOON.