Oricon poll: The strongest manga character of all time

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.

Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help

User avatar
Tenshinhan-san
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 191
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:07 am
Location: Netherlands
Contact:

Post by Tenshinhan-san » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:52 am

My point was that basically nobody in Naruto got shit on Arale, not about who Naruto defeated in the manga. Luffy being in the top 5 just means he is a popular character.

User avatar
DragonBalllKaiHD
I Live Here
Posts: 2707
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:37 pm
Location: Texas
Contact:

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:55 am

Tenshinhan-san wrote:My point was that basically nobody in Naruto got shit on Arale, not about who Naruto defeated in the manga. Luffy being in the top 5 just means he is a popular character.
That's the whole point. Luffy should have been on "Most Popular" poll, not "Strongest" poll which Naruto should have been instead of Luffy :x

The poll is getting retarded. "You retard", says Gohan, to the poll.
Last edited by DragonBalllKaiHD on Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:36 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's #1 biggest fan

A piece of animation is a beauty of art.

User avatar
SSJ Helldog
Regular
Posts: 743
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:15 pm
Location: FL, USA
Contact:

Post by SSJ Helldog » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:05 am

Polling the general public on any given topic is always a bad idea. They'll always vote in favor of what they're familiar with, regardless of the topic. While I'm not endorsing it, see the recent controversy over American Idol. Conservative America were documented cheating to help their (not gay) favorite.

User avatar
SHINOBI-03
I Live Here
Posts: 2648
Joined: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:47 am
Location: United Arab Emirates, Dubai
Contact:

Post by SHINOBI-03 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:31 am

Herms wrote:
SHINOBI-03 wrote:Kinnikuman is not listed!! Not even with his Burning Inner Strength!! :cry:
Well, Kinnikuman's thing is that he's the underdog who always manages to come out on top, so he's almost always portrayed as being the weaker person in the fight. Even with the Burning Inner Strength, he stills seems to mostly win through sheer ungodly endurance and perserverance rather than overwhelming strength, the way Goku often does. Still, I agree he should have got a mention...that's a worse omission than Vegeta (sorry SP).
He got way high stamina than anyone else in the series!! And he can catch his opponent offguard when he goes in a coma and then awaken by the Burning Idiotic Strengh like Robin Mask.

But I think that if Choujin's Strength Power are equal to Dragon Ball Z's Battle Power... Suguru can defeat even Cell with ease if he can defeat a 10 Million Power Choujin with his mere 950,000 Power.
My Dragon Ball Story (500th post)
My Anime List
My Manga List
Big Momma wrote:This is Daizex. There's gonna be complaints and groaning no matter what. ;)
Anime Insider magazine wrote:If police officers in the future dress like prostitutes, then what do prostitutes in the future wear?

User avatar
Kunzait_83
I Live Here
Posts: 3011
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:19 pm

Post by Kunzait_83 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:28 am

b
Last edited by Kunzait_83 on Mon May 02, 2011 10:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
http://80s90sdragonballart.tumblr.com/

Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

User avatar
Adamant
I Live Here
Posts: 3361
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:02 pm
Location: Viking Land

Post by Adamant » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:08 am

JulieYBM wrote: Makes one wonder what they'd say if they included American comics...
Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.
Satan wrote:Lortedrøm! Bøh slog min datter ihjel! Hvad bilder du dig ind, Bøh?! Nu kommer Super-Satan og rydder op!

User avatar
VegettoEX
Kanzenshuu Co-Owner & Administrator
Posts: 17737
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:10 pm
Location: New Jersey
Contact:

Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:06 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The poll is getting retarded. "You retard", says Gohan, to the poll.
One more asinine post like this, and you're completely gone from this forum. I'm not talking just this account... but your previous one(s) as well, and never again in the future.
:: [| Mike "VegettoEX" LaBrie |] ::
:: [| Kanzenshuu - Co-Founder/Administrator, Podcast Host, News Manager (note: our "job" titles are arbitrary and meaningless) |] ::
:: [| Website: January 1998 |] :: [| Podcast: November 2005 |] :: [| Fusion: April 2012 |] :: [| Wiki: 20XX |] ::

User avatar
FuniYamcha
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 178
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:34 am
Location: Pitt

Post by FuniYamcha » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:32 am

Adamant wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: Makes one wonder what they'd say if they included American comics...
Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.
Yeah, it's been pointed out that this is just a list of popular strong characters. The infamous pre Crisis Superman would dominate that list, since his list of powers are whatever the writers felt like, such as moving an entire galaxy like it's nothing:

Image


Not even Goku can do that, though he'd sure try. And if Goku tried to Kamehameha Superman, Superman's writers would just say he has a Super Ki Absorbing Shield or something. Just like it's hard to beat luck, it's hard to beat someone who can make up whatever strengths they have.[/img]
Not a problem.

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Post by Herms » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:09 am

Adamant wrote:Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.
I don't see anything that says that; they just asked people who their favorite manga character was, period. So yeah, it seems that Marvel and DC just weren't popular enough over here.

And looking at the page again, I notice that it does in fact say that Doraemon's strength just comes from his various gizmos.
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

User avatar
Saiyan-Professor
I Live Here
Posts: 2057
Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:43 pm
Location: Planet Saiya
Contact:

Post by Saiyan-Professor » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:56 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:Luffy stopped being a joke with Gear Second.
I think Luffy could give any of the human characters in Dragonball a good fight with the skill he's been showing off lately. He'd still be blown away by any Saiya-jin in seconds, though.
I seriously doubt a fake Kaiô-Ken would make Luffy stronger than Vegeta or even a One-Tailed Naruto (Sage Mode for Naruto or Super Saiyan for Vegeta would be overkill). Concerning the humans Tenshinhan, Kuririn and even Yamcha would make short work of him.
The Saiyans are very much like the Klingons and Jem'Hadar.

User avatar
MisterFlashdude
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 779
Joined: Tue May 02, 2006 3:21 pm

Post by MisterFlashdude » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:16 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I seriously doubt a fake Kaiô-Ken would make Luffy stronger than Vegeta or even a One-Tailed Naruto (Sage Mode for Naruto or Super Saiyan for Vegeta would be overkill). Concerning the humans Tenshinhan, Kuririn and even Yamcha would make short work of him.
Like I said, he couldn't stand up against any of the Saiya-jin.
Naruto's got a lot of strength and potent skills now, but Luffy's about his equal in strength and utterly surpassing him in speed. Naruto can't fight someone who can consistently move faster than the bare eye can perceive. Yet.
And I simply disagree that Luffy couldn't stand up against the human Dragonball characters. He's got the speed, building-demolishing force behind his punches and a nice array of melee abilities. I suppose his biggest disadvantage would be his inability to fly or fight at a distance. But it wouldn't be an easy fight for any of the Dragonball humans.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 17635
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:56 pm

Luffy's Gear Second isn't really a 'fake Kaiô-ken', it's an manipulation of his body only he can do that allows for greater strength and speed.

It's also likely people just think Luffy's got a stronger character and heart than Vegeta, which isn't untrue...
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖
💙💜💖 Don't forget to take your estrogen! 💙💜💖

User avatar
Deep Thought
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 270
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:17 pm

Post by Deep Thought » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:06 pm

Raditz easily beats the Narutoverse (yes, the entire Naruto universe), the Bleachverse, and the Onepeiceverse. You guys are seriously over-estimating these characters. They can't even come close to leveling continents and blowing up moons, which can be done by characters (easily, I might add) that Raditz can back-hand with his eyes closed.

Goku isn't even the strongest character in his universe.

Look;

Super Vegeto >>> Vegeto >> Gohan Buu > Gotenks Buu >> Mystic Gohan >> Super Buu </=/> Super Sayajin 3 Gotenks >>> Super Sayajin Gotenks </=/> Chibi Buu ≥ Super Sayajin 3 Goku.

The Super Sayajin Gotenks thing is debatable, but the rest of it isn't. Even in GT, Omega Shenron and Super Sayajin 4 Gogeta are stronger.

Also, in terms of fictional verses, saying that Goku is the strongest character is just pure ignorance, I'm not even going to go into that unless I have to, though.

User avatar
Kunzait_83
I Live Here
Posts: 3011
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:19 pm

Post by Kunzait_83 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:12 pm

b
Last edited by Kunzait_83 on Mon May 02, 2011 10:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
http://80s90sdragonballart.tumblr.com/

Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

User avatar
MisterFlashdude
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 779
Joined: Tue May 02, 2006 3:21 pm

Post by MisterFlashdude » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:33 pm

Deep Thought wrote:Raditz easily beats the Narutoverse (yes, the entire Naruto universe), the Bleachverse, and the Onepeiceverse. You guys are seriously over-estimating these characters. They can't even come close to leveling continents and blowing up moons, which can be done by characters (easily, I might add) that Raditz can back-hand with his eyes closed.
For what it's worth, I agree. Just about every character introduced during the Z-era could decimate any of those other 'universes'.

However, wouldn't a "Strongest Manga Character" poll that has the first 50 slots full of DBZ characters be incredibly boring?

User avatar
FuniYamcha
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 178
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:34 am
Location: Pitt

Post by FuniYamcha » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:37 pm

The problem with Dragon World is that once Z starts, the characters really never get visually stronger. By that I mean you have to infer their strengths based on "This guy beat that guy who beat this other guy". Visually, Vegito and Buu are tossing around energy blasts that do as much to the surroundings as 4 year old Gohan does to that plateau when Piccolo throws him at it. Except Vegito is a billion times stronger. When Yamcha is fighting the saibamen, they most so fast that they appear as lines dashing across the screen. When Vegito fights Gohan Buu, same thing. So Vegito = Yamcha = Gohan.

Toward the end of Yu Yu Hakusho,

SPOILER

Yusuke and Sensui

END SPOILER

are flying around like nuts blowing up mountains the size of the one Gohan destroyed, which like I mentioned is visually the destructive power of characters at the end of Z.

So in other words, who the hell knows who strong any of them are.
Not a problem.

User avatar
Kaboom
Moderator
Posts: 14473
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:07 pm

Post by Kaboom » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:31 pm

FuniYamcha wrote:Toward the end of Yu Yu Hakusho,
SPOILER
Yusuke and Sensui
END SPOILER
are flying around like nuts blowing up mountains the size of the one Gohan destroyed, which like I mentioned is visually the destructive power of characters at the end of Z.
So in other words, who the hell knows who strong any of them are.
And that's not even the end. Throughout the course of the Three Kings arc Yusuke gets a LOT stronger.
[ BlueSky | Bsky: DBS Plots | DeviantArt | Twitter (Depreciated) ]

[PSN/Steam: KaboomKrusader | Switch FC: SW-4304-7361-2824 | ACNH Dream Address: DA-1637-4046-7415 ("SlamZone") ]

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Post by Herms » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:19 pm

Though I think Yu Yu Hakusho falls into the same trap as DragonBall. Yomi and Mukuro are supposed to be absurdly stronger than Yusuke and Sensui were (I'm sorry, but why the spoiler warning? Is it some big secret that Sensui is a major villian in YYH?), but what do they ever do that's impressive enough to show this?
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

User avatar
FuniYamcha
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 178
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:34 am
Location: Pitt

Post by FuniYamcha » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:35 pm

Actually, I was initially going to discuss Yomi/Mukuro/Raizen and battles involving them but decided against it since I tend to go on rants, hence the spoiler tags/small text. They're actually the reason that I consider Hakusho to be the closest show to Dragon Ball Z's style since once you hit S level, it's basically from Sensui up to a level of infinite power and there's no way to measure their power visually. I guess clues would be that Yusuke still had only a certain amount of Spirit Gun blasts available versus Sensui but during the final battle, he's spamming them like nobody's business. And a just-about-to-die Raizen was able to kick Yusuke's ass, so then you wonder how strong he was supposed to be in his prime, and if Yusuke's heritage makes him special, then he should be even stronger than that when he's older...

Of course, there's the whole factor of Yusuke vs Toguro where both of them were seen "warping" from location to location because they were so fast, so I guess even then the "how do you show more power" problem was relevant. The only other show I've really noticed this problem in has been Dragon Ball Z, so I'd say that those two more than likely contain the strongest characters. Of course, I say that having not read most mangas in existence, but still...
Not a problem.

User avatar
Freeza Heika
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 957
Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:03 pm
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Contact:

Post by Freeza Heika » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:35 pm

Herms wrote:Though I think Yu Yu Hakusho falls into the same trap as DragonBall. Yomi and Mukuro are supposed to be absurdly stronger than Yusuke and Sensui were (I'm sorry, but why the spoiler warning? Is it some big secret that Sensui is a major villian in YYH?), but what do they ever do that's impressive enough to show this?
With Sensui, the story began using auras. It's not a huge indicator, but the auras of Yomi and Mokuro, as well as those suppose to be in their league, are all exceptionally bigger than Sensui's was.
My Super Awesome GT Origins Idea
"さあ、お前の罪を数えろ!"
"SuperSaiyan3Goku, give me all your breasts."

Post Reply