Oricon poll: The strongest manga character of all time

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:52 am

My point was that basically nobody in Naruto got shit on Arale, not about who Naruto defeated in the manga. Luffy being in the top 5 just means he is a popular character.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:55 am

Tenshinhan-san wrote:My point was that basically nobody in Naruto got shit on Arale, not about who Naruto defeated in the manga. Luffy being in the top 5 just means he is a popular character.

That's the whole point. Luffy should have been on "Most Popular" poll, not "Strongest" poll which Naruto should have been instead of Luffy

The poll is getting retarded. "You retard", says Gohan, to the poll.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:05 am

Polling the general public on any given topic is always a bad idea. They'll always vote in favor of what they're familiar with, regardless of the topic. While I'm not endorsing it, see the recent controversy over American Idol. Conservative America were documented cheating to help their (not gay) favorite.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:31 am

Herms wrote:
SHINOBI-03 wrote:Kinnikuman is not listed!! Not even with his Burning Inner Strength!!
Well, Kinnikuman's thing is that he's the underdog who always manages to come out on top, so he's almost always portrayed as being the weaker person in the fight. Even with the Burning Inner Strength, he stills seems to mostly win through sheer ungodly endurance and perserverance rather than overwhelming strength, the way Goku often does. Still, I agree he should have got a mention...that's a worse omission than Vegeta (sorry SP).

He got way high stamina than anyone else in the series!! And he can catch his opponent offguard when he goes in a coma and then awaken by the Burning Idiotic Strengh like Robin Mask.

But I think that if Choujin's Strength Power are equal to Dragon Ball Z's Battle Power... Suguru can defeat even Cell with ease if he can defeat a 10 Million Power Choujin with his mere 950,000 Power.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:28 am

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:08 am

JulieYBM wrote: Makes one wonder what they'd say if they included American comics...

Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:06 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:The poll is getting retarded. "You retard", says Gohan, to the poll.

One more asinine post like this, and you're completely gone from this forum. I'm not talking just this account... but your previous one(s) as well, and never again in the future.

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:32 am

Adamant wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: Makes one wonder what they'd say if they included American comics...
Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.

Yeah, it's been pointed out that this is just a list of popular strong characters. The infamous pre Crisis Superman would dominate that list, since his list of powers are whatever the writers felt like, such as moving an entire galaxy like it's nothing:

Not even Goku can do that, though he'd sure try. And if Goku tried to Kamehameha Superman, Superman's writers would just say he has a Super Ki Absorbing Shield or something. Just like it's hard to beat luck, it's hard to beat someone who can make up whatever strengths they have.[/img]

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:09 am

Adamant wrote:Is there anything in there that actually says they didn't? They're just not popular enough to matter.

I don't see anything that says that; they just asked people who their favorite manga character was, period. So yeah, it seems that Marvel and DC just weren't popular enough over here.

And looking at the page again, I notice that it does in fact say that Doraemon's strength just comes from his various gizmos.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:56 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:Luffy stopped being a joke with Gear Second.
I think Luffy could give any of the human characters in Dragonball a good fight with the skill he's been showing off lately. He'd still be blown away by any Saiya-jin in seconds, though.

I seriously doubt a fake Kaiô-Ken would make Luffy stronger than Vegeta or even a One-Tailed Naruto (Sage Mode for Naruto or Super Saiyan for Vegeta would be overkill). Concerning the humans Tenshinhan, Kuririn and even Yamcha would make short work of him.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:16 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I seriously doubt a fake Kaiô-Ken would make Luffy stronger than Vegeta or even a One-Tailed Naruto (Sage Mode for Naruto or Super Saiyan for Vegeta would be overkill). Concerning the humans Tenshinhan, Kuririn and even Yamcha would make short work of him.

Like I said, he couldn't stand up against any of the Saiya-jin.
Naruto's got a lot of strength and potent skills now, but Luffy's about his equal in strength and utterly surpassing him in speed. Naruto can't fight someone who can consistently move faster than the bare eye can perceive. Yet.
And I simply disagree that Luffy couldn't stand up against the human Dragonball characters. He's got the speed, building-demolishing force behind his punches and a nice array of melee abilities. I suppose his biggest disadvantage would be his inability to fly or fight at a distance. But it wouldn't be an easy fight for any of the Dragonball humans.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:56 pm

Luffy's Gear Second isn't really a 'fake Kaiô-ken', it's an manipulation of his body only he can do that allows for greater strength and speed.

It's also likely people just think Luffy's got a stronger character and heart than Vegeta, which isn't untrue...

Deep Thought · Post by **Deep Thought** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:06 pm

Raditz easily beats the Narutoverse (yes, the entire Naruto universe), the Bleachverse, and the Onepeiceverse. You guys are seriously over-estimating these characters. They can't even come close to leveling continents and blowing up moons, which can be done by characters (easily, I might add) that Raditz can back-hand with his eyes closed.

Goku isn't even the strongest character in his universe.

Look;

Super Vegeto >>> Vegeto >> Gohan Buu > Gotenks Buu >> Mystic Gohan >> Super Buu </=/> Super Sayajin 3 Gotenks >>> Super Sayajin Gotenks </=/> Chibi Buu ≥ Super Sayajin 3 Goku.

The Super Sayajin Gotenks thing is debatable, but the rest of it isn't. Even in GT, Omega Shenron and Super Sayajin 4 Gogeta are stronger.

Also, in terms of fictional verses, saying that Goku is the strongest character is just pure ignorance, I'm not even going to go into that unless I have to, though.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:12 pm

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:33 pm

Deep Thought wrote:Raditz easily beats the Narutoverse (yes, the entire Naruto universe), the Bleachverse, and the Onepeiceverse. You guys are seriously over-estimating these characters. They can't even come close to leveling continents and blowing up moons, which can be done by characters (easily, I might add) that Raditz can back-hand with his eyes closed.

For what it's worth, I agree. Just about every character introduced during the Z-era could decimate any of those other 'universes'.

However, wouldn't a "Strongest Manga Character" poll that has the first 50 slots full of DBZ characters be incredibly boring?

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:37 pm

The problem with Dragon World is that once Z starts, the characters really never get visually stronger. By that I mean you have to infer their strengths based on "This guy beat that guy who beat this other guy". Visually, Vegito and Buu are tossing around energy blasts that do as much to the surroundings as 4 year old Gohan does to that plateau when Piccolo throws him at it. Except Vegito is a billion times stronger. When Yamcha is fighting the saibamen, they most so fast that they appear as lines dashing across the screen. When Vegito fights Gohan Buu, same thing. So Vegito = Yamcha = Gohan.

Toward the end of Yu Yu Hakusho,

SPOILER

Yusuke and Sensui

END SPOILER

are flying around like nuts blowing up mountains the size of the one Gohan destroyed, which like I mentioned is visually the destructive power of characters at the end of Z.

So in other words, who the hell knows who strong any of them are.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:31 pm

FuniYamcha wrote:Toward the end of Yu Yu Hakusho,
SPOILER
Yusuke and Sensui
END SPOILER
are flying around like nuts blowing up mountains the size of the one Gohan destroyed, which like I mentioned is visually the destructive power of characters at the end of Z.
So in other words, who the hell knows who strong any of them are.

And that's not even the end. Throughout the course of the Three Kings arc Yusuke gets a LOT stronger.

Post by **Herms** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:19 pm

Though I think Yu Yu Hakusho falls into the same trap as DragonBall. Yomi and Mukuro are supposed to be absurdly stronger than Yusuke and Sensui were (I'm sorry, but why the spoiler warning? Is it some big secret that Sensui is a major villian in YYH?), but what do they ever do that's impressive enough to show this?

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:35 pm

Actually, I was initially going to discuss Yomi/Mukuro/Raizen and battles involving them but decided against it since I tend to go on rants, hence the spoiler tags/small text. They're actually the reason that I consider Hakusho to be the closest show to Dragon Ball Z's style since once you hit S level, it's basically from Sensui up to a level of infinite power and there's no way to measure their power visually. I guess clues would be that Yusuke still had only a certain amount of Spirit Gun blasts available versus Sensui but during the final battle, he's spamming them like nobody's business. And a just-about-to-die Raizen was able to kick Yusuke's ass, so then you wonder how strong he was supposed to be in his prime, and if Yusuke's heritage makes him special, then he should be even stronger than that when he's older...

Of course, there's the whole factor of Yusuke vs Toguro where both of them were seen "warping" from location to location because they were so fast, so I guess even then the "how do you show more power" problem was relevant. The only other show I've really noticed this problem in has been Dragon Ball Z, so I'd say that those two more than likely contain the strongest characters. Of course, I say that having not read most mangas in existence, but still...

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:35 pm

Herms wrote:Though I think Yu Yu Hakusho falls into the same trap as DragonBall. Yomi and Mukuro are supposed to be absurdly stronger than Yusuke and Sensui were (I'm sorry, but why the spoiler warning? Is it some big secret that Sensui is a major villian in YYH?), but what do they ever do that's impressive enough to show this?

With Sensui, the story began using auras. It's not a huge indicator, but the auras of Yomi and Mokuro, as well as those suppose to be in their league, are all exceptionally bigger than Sensui's was.

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