Legend of the Legendary Super Saiyan of Legend

[Fox666]

There is no set rule of how strong someone should be to become a Super Saiyan. We have seen Trunks as a kid training with Gohan, while he is transformed and Gohan not (in fact Gohan is holding Trunks with only one arm).

Wasn't Bardock reading of "close to 10,000" after he healed from Dodoria's attack? However Bardock would still have a near-death power-up from the destruction of planet Vegeta. Considering we have seen some very absurdly large near-death power-ups in the Namek saga, anything is possible.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

TEEECHNICALLY there is. The Daizenshuu does hint that there is a minimum level for transforming, though what that "standard level" is is up for debate. lol Here's the excerpt from Daiz 7's technique dictionary:

The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan.

[Fox666]

That line seems to just exclude someone like Raditz from being able to transform in Super Saiyans. It doesn't seems to apply to Bardock, since 10,000 is a lot above the "standard level of any Saiyan".

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That line seems to just exclude someone like Raditz from being able to transform in Super Saiyans. It doesn't seems to apply to Bardock, since 10,000 is a lot above the "standard level of any Saiyan".

While I do agree for the most part, its still a little questionable if that is the intent. Vegeta was a lot stronger than a standard Saiyan at 18,000 when he was on Earth, but no transformation occurred, despite how pissed off Vegeta kept getting (though it didn't happen once he got over a million in the Freeza arc either lol).

I do like to think Jheese's "Who ever heard of a Saiyan reaching 60,000?" line is a good indicator for a minimum, and Bardock jumping from 10,000 to 60,000 wouldn't be a huge stretch, only 6 times stronger.

[Herms]

Well anyway, I was never quite pleased with that paragraph on SSj Bardock and Chilled's strength, so I've modified it to make the same point without getting into BP numbers or other specific logistics. I also added a concluding paragraph to the "Myth-Busting" section.

[RLZIII]

The added paragraph I think makes a big difference with the whole argument. While reading all three parts I had something similar in the back of my head: "What makes the legend true?" It might even be important enough to mention in the first part of the essay.

[hleV]

Wasn't Bardock reading of "close to 10,000" after he healed from Dodoria's attack?

No. Bardock was said to be around 10,000 after healing from that future-telling-guy's attack. He didn't heal himself up after getting beaten by Dodoria, but rushed to inform other Saiyans of Freeza, collapsed and then attacked Freeza.

[batistabus]

I like to think that the imagery shown when Vegeta is talking about the "legendary Super Saiyan" is also similar to what Krillin is shown to have imagined Freeza's true form to look like.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I've always said that I don't believe there was any true Super Saiyan, at least not in the vein of the golden-haired form that Goku and co. display. I think that the legend simply stemmed from Saiyans that had exceeded the limits of normal Saiyan strength; essentially, Saiyans stronger than the norm. Which is why, unlike what we see, it was treated as more of a level of power than the transformation, which is why Vegeta believed that Goku had become one when he fought the Ginyu Force, thought he himself was one twice, and even once thought that Gohan may've been the one closest to becoming a SSj, after he beat up second-form Freeza.

Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2
Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…”

However, to me, it turned out that Vegeta was wrong and when Goku transformed, that was the real SSj that was completely unexpected, even to Freeza himself, who, as Herms mentioned, was confused as to what had happened. So, going by this, Goku would technically be the first true SSj. I don't think that there can only be one "legendary Super Saiyan", because, as is implied by Vegeta himself and shown by the SSjs after Goku, there can be and are more than one SSj.

And the "once every 1,000 years" thing is bullshit too, because, as we see, they all transform in a comparatively short timespan and I doubt Saiyans were recording every instance of who may or may not have been a SSj (and even if they did, those records would've been highly unreliable, considering how many times Vegeta thought he was a SSj, but was then proven to be wrong), and then saying, "Oh, the last guy like him appeared exactly a thousand years ago!" It's all too vague to come to an exact conclusion, since, after all, it's only a legend.

I think the whole thing about the SSj being "the strongest in the universe" is, again, just part of the legend, but it's also just one of those generic statements that always gets bandied around throughout the series to describe characters (villains especially like to call themselves it). But it's not as if all these people that are labelled "the strongest in the universe" actually are, because the universe is a vast place and they can't possibly know everyone in it. Kame-sennin and/or Mr. Popo's lesson to Goku is true: no matter how strong you think you've become, there will always be stronger people than you.

I mean, sure, even when Goku died, he didn't find anyone that could pose a challenge to him in the afterlife (in the manga), but they didn't even know about Boo until Kaioshin told them. And, as we see, Boo proved himself to be much stronger than them.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Maybe Broli was actualy the first, true Legendary Super Saiyan in history, and Bardock, from whom was created the legend of the Super Saiyan, appeared 1000 years ago, so it was thought that the Super Saiyan 1000 years ago, along with the suposed others SSJ in the past that appeared every 1000 years, were also Legendary Super Saiyans.

[JeffJarrett]

The true legendary Super Saiyan is Goku, the one who can defeat Gods. If Goku can't, who can?!

[Kaboom]

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