Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[Hellspawn28]

I remember the characters in Dexter's Lab had some crazy feats like Monkey able to the save the whole solar system from eaten alive . Got to love toon force in cartoons ! I feel like who ever wins then the fans will go ape shit. It won't surprise me if hardcore DBZ fans send Screw Attack death threats if Goku loses.

[TonyTheTiger]

I don't think fandom should be a factor when it's a pretty obvious result if we're comparing accomplishments. I mean, I'm a huge Die Hard fan but I'm not going to say John McClane can beat Goku. I figure they'll try to "standardize" the fight somehow. It probably won't involve Superman sundipping, for example. They're incredibly entertaining, regardless. The Vegeta vs. Shadow one had me laughing my ass off. And anything that includes My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is instantly awesome.

[caejones]

Just gotta say, this is about the most entertaining thread that treads on this subject I've ever encountered. XD

... I wonder if it'd be cheating for Goku to use a Genki Dama that draws power from magic-wielders. Never mind that Superman would have to stand there and let him.

Wait, no!

I know exactly how Goku can beat Superman!

We expect him to have SSJ4, right?
All Goku has to do is strangle Supes with his magic SSJ4 pants!

... This strikes me as strangely plausible to the point that I have no idea if I'm being serious or not.

[JulieYBM]

Here's an idea. As how much stronger than a normal human Superman is. Even at the Freeza arc Gokuu was thirty million times stronger than an average human when in his Super Saiyan form. If he had Super Saiyan 3 at that time he would have been two hundred fourty milion times more powerful than the average human. Bare minimum, the Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu from the Majin Boo arc would be 240 million times more powerful than your average human. Solve it simply before the battle is over!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I saw their Batman vs Spiderman, so based to that, I guess they are going to take into account every Superman feat.

[TonyTheTiger]

... I wonder if it'd be cheating for Goku to use a Genki Dama that draws power from magic-wielders. Never mind that Superman would have to stand there and let him.

Regardless of where he'd get the energy, we're talking about an attack that supposedly won't hurt people who aren't evil.

I know exactly how Goku can beat Superman!

We expect him to have SSJ4, right?
All Goku has to do is strangle Supes with his magic SSJ4 pants!

Nah, if Goku has SSJ4 then we all know Superman will kick his ass and then Kid Goku will in turn kick Superman's ass.

[Herms]

We should just have Babidi take care of Superman, leaving GT Goku to fight Captain Marvel, since they're pretty much the same character.

[Hellspawn28]

Vegito vs. Superman would be a better match up, but more people want to see Goku vs. Superman since it's the new Star Wars vs. Star Trek. This whole debate started thanks to Wizard Magazine in 2002 when they did the whole anime vs. comic book character match up.

[TonyTheTiger]

We see so little of Vegetto that there's not much to go on. All we really know about Vegetto is that he's the most powerful single being in Dragon Ball, whatever that actually means. We don't know how strong he is, how fast he is, how durable he is, etc. It's all just assumptions.

[dario03]

Here's an idea. As how much stronger than a normal human Superman is. Even at the Freeza arc Gokuu was thirty million times stronger than an average human when in his Super Saiyan form. If he had Super Saiyan 3 at that time he would have been two hundred fourty milion times more powerful than the average human. Bare minimum, the Super Saiyan 3 Gokuu from the Majin Boo arc would be 240 million times more powerful than your average human. Solve it simply before the battle is over!

Yeah, some how the people in DBZ use Ki to crazy effects but in terms of physical strength they just don't compare. If doubling a power level makes you twice as strong physically (personally I think it effects ki more than physical strength) then being 240,000,000 times stronger than a human still wouldn't do anything, even 7,000,000,000 times as strong wouldn't. If everybody on earth got together in one spot and jumped we would only move the earth 1/100th the width of a atom. Compare that to how Superman casually moves the Earth with super breath or better yet compare it to when he moved multiple planets to the other side of the universe and, well, yeah......

[Saiga]

I saw their Batman vs Spiderman, so based to that, I guess they are going to take into account every Superman feat.

How did that turn out?

[Insertclevername]

I saw their Batman vs Spiderman, so based to that, I guess they are going to take into account every Superman feat.

How did that turn out?

If you're a fan of Batman....uuh...about that...

[Saiga]

I saw their Batman vs Spiderman, so based to that, I guess they are going to take into account every Superman feat.

How did that turn out?

If you're a fan of Batman....uuh...about that...

Excellent.

[dario03]

However he did somehow block like 50 strikes from Spiderman.

[Bussani]

I wonder if it'd be cheating for Goku to use a Genki Dama that draws power from magic-wielders.

Even if you somehow made a Genki Dama out of "magical energy", I don't think it would make a difference. The reason Superman is vulnerable to magic (as vulnerable as anyone else is, that is) is the magical effects, not the energy itself. A sword enchanted to cut through anything can cut Superman, because he's "anything". A cage enchanted to be unbreakable by people with a big "S" on their chest can't be broken by Superman, so long as he's wearing his costume. A cage created by magic, but with no magical effects on it, can be broken by Superman as easily as any other cage. Basically, Buu's candy beam could turn Superman into a candy, but any sort or raw-force ki attack wouldn't do any more to him than any other sort of raw-force attack. Not saying there aren't raw-force attacks that can hurt him, but they do have to be pretty extreme, depending on the version of Superman we're talking about.

Regardless of where he'd get the energy, we're talking about an attack that supposedly won't hurt people who aren't evil.

I've never been completely sure about that. Gohan was said to be able to bounce the attack back because he didn't have any evil ki, but Kuririn had aimed the attack as Vegeta's evil ki, so maybe it was because of that. Kaio warned that if you aren't careful with a fully powered Genki Dama it can even destroy the very planet you're trying to protect, so are non-evil things really unaffected by it? If the ball had hit Gohan in the back, would it still have bounced off of him? If there really is a limitation like this, could you get around it by just using the Genki Dama to blow up the planet instead, and have the force of the planet exploding hurt your opponent?

[Saiga]

However he did somehow block like 50 strikes from Spiderman.

Aww.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I saw their Batman vs Spiderman, so based to that, I guess they are going to take into account every Superman feat.

How did that turn out?

They mentioned feats from the comics, the animated series, even from the movies.

[TonyTheTiger]

However he did somehow block like 50 strikes from Spiderman.

Aww.

The actual fight is largely symbolic. It's pretty much done the way Deadilest Warrior does it. They compare the two, do the "calculations," and decide a winner. Then they do a dramatization for entertainment purposes. The fight itself isn't what determines the outcome.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So... When is the video coming out?

[Ringworm128]

I wonder if they'll use that Kienzan Goku pulled of in Movie 3.