Analyzing Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan's Power

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The only reason why Goku had appeared as a SSJ is because Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Saga where Vegeta describes Goku as the SSJ. This is why King Kai's words are the same like Vegeta when he saw Goku on Namek. There were statements about SSJ Goku in the Anime while there is absolutely no statement or hint in the Anime that Goku has SSJ2. Plus, it's not like Toei showed the real SSJ design. They just showed their own form based on the Ginyu Saga events.

Like I said again, the Super Saiyan we saw in Movie 4 is NOT based on what Vegeta said. Vegeta never described it as a transformation or a power up with golden/yellow aura. Vegeta thought that a Super Saiyan is just a super strong Saiyan.

Goten's hair doesn't stand though as I said before and again, I showed the difference between powered up SSjin Goku to SSjin 2 Goku. When Goku goes to max power, he has 1 bang which is not a SSjin 2. SSjin 2 has 1 bang and two small bangs in the sides. M10 was revealed a few days after SSjin 2 Goku was in the Manga so it makes no sense he used it in M10. SSjin 2 Goku also beat Broly in hell in the end of M11. Interestingly, SSjin 2 Goku existed at that time.

Still, you didn't explain why Goten's hair doesn't stand up. My take is because he didn't have lots of battles to get the chance to display such a thing.

[Undertaker]

The only reason why Goku had appeared as a SSJ is because Movie 4 is based on the Ginyu Saga where Vegeta describes Goku as the SSJ. This is why King Kai's words are the same like Vegeta when he saw Goku on Namek. There were statements about SSJ Goku in the Anime while there is absolutely no statement or hint in the Anime that Goku has SSJ2. Plus, it's not like Toei showed the real SSJ design. They just showed their own form based on the Ginyu Saga events.

Like I said again, the Super Saiyan we saw in Movie 4 is NOT based on what Vegeta said. Vegeta never described it as a transformation or a power up with golden/yellow aura. Vegeta thought that a Super Saiyan is just a super strong Saiyan.

Goten's hair doesn't stand though as I said before and again, I showed the difference between powered up SSjin Goku to SSjin 2 Goku. When Goku goes to max power, he has 1 bang which is not a SSjin 2. SSjin 2 has 1 bang and two small bangs in the sides. M10 was revealed a few days after SSjin 2 Goku was in the Manga so it makes no sense he used it in M10. SSjin 2 Goku also beat Broly in hell in the end of M11. Interestingly, SSjin 2 Goku existed at that time.

Still, you didn't explain why Goten's hair doesn't stand up. My take is because he didn't have lots of battles to get the chance to display such a thing.

The point I made was that Toei made this SSjin because M4 refers to the arc of the Ginyu Force where Goku was described as the SSji. It doesn't matter if it was not known that he can transform. There were statements about the SSjin and King Kai even describes Goku like Vegtea. Toei most likely knew that SSjin Goku would have to loo different. The thing is that it was sated in the Anime about the SSjin and since M4 is based on this arc so Toei had a reason to what they did in M4. However, it was not known Goku had SSjin 2 and there were no statements that he even can go SSjin 2 so it makes no sense he used it in M10. GOTEN'S HAIR DOESN'T CHANGE WHEN HE POWERS UP LIKE GOKU SO THIS IS WHY HIS HAIR DIDN'T CHANGE REGARDLESS OF THE EXPLANATION YOU HAVE.

[Herms]

Undertaker, please don't call people "overall idiots", and please don't type all in caps to emphasize a point. These things are against forum rules, and do nothing to make your arguements more persuasive.

[hleV]

GOTEN'S HAIR DOESN'T CHANGE WHEN HE POWERS UP LIKE GOKU SO THIS IS WHY HIS HAIR DIDN'T CHANGE REGARDLESS OF THE EXPLANATION YOU HAVE.

Goten's hair is like Goku's. Your statement is invalid.

[Undertaker]

Undertaker, please don't call people "overall idiots", and please don't type all in caps to emphasize a point. These things are against forum rules, and do nothing to make your arguements more persuasive.

When did I call someone here an idiot??

[Undertaker]

GOTEN'S HAIR DOESN'T CHANGE WHEN HE POWERS UP LIKE GOKU SO THIS IS WHY HIS HAIR DIDN'T CHANGE REGARDLESS OF THE EXPLANATION YOU HAVE.

Goten's hair is like Goku's. Your statement is invalid.

When Goten powers up, his hair doesn't change like Goku as I pointed out. Goku has 1 bang when he powers up and uses full speed. Goten's hair overall doesn't change.

[hleV]

Filler.

Freeza arc. Much different art than in the Boo arc.

Toriyama tends to screw up in the late part of the series (SSJ3 Goku having Vegeta's widow's peak?).

[Undertaker]

Filler.

Freeza arc. Much different art than in the Boo arc.

Toriyama tends to screw up in the late part of the series (SSJ3 Goku having Vegeta's widow's peak?).

Fiiller? You do realise movies are fillers as well, right?

It's still to show the point of why Goku has 1 bang stands when he powers up.

What does Goku have? Screwing? I guess they screwed up in M10 as well seen as Goku was barely in the Manga.

[Undertaker]

I find it weird that no one had brought up the hax argument though. I guess everyone here disagree about Gohan being haxed in Movie 10.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The way I see it is the fact that they are in their base forms don't allow them to attain their full power SSJ state. I view FPSSJ in a way that increases the users power past this "rested SSJ" state which in turn increases the base power level when reverting. Goku has only released half of his power in FPSSJ, which increased his base power when he reverted, so he is only able to attain half of his FPSSJ power in the movie. This would also explain why Gohan is so weak in this movie, he never powered up prior to this movie.

[Undertaker]

The way I see it is the fact that they are in their base forms don't allow them to attain their full power SSJ state. I view FPSSJ in a way that increases the users power past this "rested SSJ" state which in turn increases the base power level when reverting. Goku has only released half of his power in FPSSJ, which increased his base power when he reverted, so he is only able to attain half of his FPSSJ power in the movie. This would also explain why Gohan is so weak in this movie, he never powered up prior to this movie.

Correct. Although, it's should be noted that M8 Goku is the same like in the 10 days which is less than half of his Cell Games self.

Cell Games Z Fighters ~ M9 Z Fighters >> Perfect Cell Arc Z Fighters ~ M8 Z Fighters is pretty much a fact.

M8 LSSjin Broly ~ Cell Games FPSSjin Goku is implied IMO.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The way I see it is the fact that they are in their base forms don't allow them to attain their full power SSJ state. I view FPSSJ in a way that increases the users power past this "rested SSJ" state which in turn increases the base power level when reverting. Goku has only released half of his power in FPSSJ, which increased his base power when he reverted, so he is only able to attain half of his FPSSJ power in the movie. This would also explain why Gohan is so weak in this movie, he never powered up prior to this movie.

Correct. Although, it's should be noted that M8 Goku is the same like in the 10 days which is less than half of his Cell Games self.

Cell Games Z Fighters ~ M9 Z Fighters >> Perfect Cell Arc Z Fighters ~ M8 Z Fighters is pretty much a fact.

M8 LSSjin Broly ~ Cell Games FPSSjin Goku is implied IMO.

I have Broly at a little above FPSSJ Gohan but weaker than Perfect From Cell right now.

[Undertaker]

The way I see it is the fact that they are in their base forms don't allow them to attain their full power SSJ state. I view FPSSJ in a way that increases the users power past this "rested SSJ" state which in turn increases the base power level when reverting. Goku has only released half of his power in FPSSJ, which increased his base power when he reverted, so he is only able to attain half of his FPSSJ power in the movie. This would also explain why Gohan is so weak in this movie, he never powered up prior to this movie.

Correct. Although, it's should be noted that M8 Goku is the same like in the 10 days which is less than half of his Cell Games self.

Cell Games Z Fighters ~ M9 Z Fighters >> Perfect Cell Arc Z Fighters ~ M8 Z Fighters is pretty much a fact.

M8 LSSjin Broly ~ Cell Games FPSSjin Goku is implied IMO.

I have Broly at a little above FPSSJ Gohan but weaker than Perfect From Cell right now.

Yeah, FP PC would stomp M8 LSSjin Broly effortlessly. M8 LSSjin Broly should in par with the likes of Cell Games FPSSjins Goku and Gohan.

[Herms]

When did I call someone here an idiot??

On the previous page you referred to those "who are overall idiots from YouTube or Gamespots who don't know a thing about this subject and also have no proof". That sort insult, even directed at people on other sites, isn't welcome here.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

The thing that gets me is that your treating SSj and FPSSj as if they were two different forms, which they're not.

They're different versions of the same form with virtually no physical differences other than what can be observed with the difference in consistency with the aura. The softer facial features (through my understanding) have nothing to do with the actual form itself, but more on how strained and physically stressed the Saiyan is. Obviously, if there's an uneasy aggressive feeling present (like there is with the original Super Saiyan), they're going to have a different observable physical demeanor than if there wasn't, which to me explains the difference in anything that has to do with the "look" of the eyes or anything else having to do with the face.

With FPSSj, there is no aggressive feeling or need to focus ki into the form itself, so they are naturally more relaxed. Their facial features will reflect this.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The thing that gets me is that your treating SSj and FPSSj as if they were two different forms, which they're not.

Daizenshuu 2 and 3 have them as two different forms. I don't see it though like the user can turn Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan Full Power, but like the Super Saiyan form getting upgraded to Super Saiyan Full Power.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

The thing that gets me is that your treating SSj and FPSSj as if they were two different forms, which they're not.

Daizenshuu 2 and 3 have them as two different forms. I don't see it though like the user can turn Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan Full Power, but like the Super Saiyan form getting upgraded to Super Saiyan Full Power.

I agree. I understand what you're saying, but it still doesn't make sense to me at all.

Goku, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't seem to think of them as different forms.
So to me it doesn't make sense why they should be considered fundamentally different. Actually, if you think about it, FPSSj has never even been mentioned by name in the series, or been referred to as different.

It's not like (post Cell Arc) we've ever seen Goku go regular Super Saiyan before deciding to go FP Super Saiyan instead. I've always just assumed they were the same form, and that FPSSj was the Saiyan's body creating a state of equilibrium with Super Saiyan which would involuntarily result in FPSSj.

[Undertaker]

The thing that gets me is that your treating SSj and FPSSj as if they were two different forms, which they're not.

They're different versions of the same form with virtually no physical differences other than what can be observed with the difference in consistency with the aura. The softer facial features (through my understanding) have nothing to do with the actual form itself, but more on how strained and physically stressed the Saiyan is. Obviously, if there's an uneasy aggressive feeling present (like there is with the original Super Saiyan), they're going to have a different observable physical demeanor than if there wasn't, which to me explains the difference in anything that has to do with the "look" of the eyes or anything else having to do with the face.

With FPSSj, there is no aggressive feeling or need to focus ki into the form itself, so they are naturally more relaxed. Their facial features will reflect this.

I know SSjin and FPSSjin is the same form.

[Duo]

Re: Undertaker,

Movies are not filler. Filler is animated material used to put space between segments from the Manga to make episodes longer. The feature films do not serve this purpose. They are side-stories.

[Undertaker]

Re: Undertaker,

Movies are not filler. Filler is animated material used to put space between segments from the Manga to make episodes longer. The feature films do not serve this purpose. They are side-stories.

What I meant is that fillers count when you talk about the movies since the movies even have scenes which are based on the fillers in the Anime.