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Post by Undertaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:18 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Undertaker wrote:M8 Broly would get his ass kicked by FP PC.
That's just your opinion.
Undertaker wrote:M10 Broly vs SSjin 2 Goku is debatable.
I know, I just stated my opinion. Nothing contradicts LSS Broli > SS2 Goku.
Undertaker wrote:What does Gohan getting mad have to do with it?
If Boo arc SS2 Gohan had gotten angry, he would be around Cell Games SS2 Gohan, since his power didn't change since then. Only problem was that he couldn't get stronger through his anger.
Undertaker wrote:Piccolo said that SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta is stronger than SSjin 2 Kid Gohan.
Of course he is stronger, we already know that. Piccolo just confirmed to his self that Goku & Vegeta are stronger than Gohan, since he wasn't completely sure in the beginning.
Undertaker wrote:Piccolo is so ridiculously below Vegeta and Goku so he can't tell the difference. He could not even tell the difference between Goku and Freeza and Goku is just 2X stronger than him.
Piccolo said that Goku is perhaps stronger than Cell Games Gohan (meaning that he most likely is), and Vegeta had to experience SS2 Goku's power for a 2nd time to confirm if Goku is actually stronger than Gohan.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That's just your opinion.
No, it's not. M8 was made by the time of USSjin 2 Trunks, he faced way weaker Z Fighters. FP PC was not in the Manga when M8 was amde so it is a fact. This is like saying Slug < Frieza is not a fact.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I know, I just stated my opinion. Nothing contradicts LSS Broli > SS2 Goku.
Unless you have Broly 2X Gohan so no, he can't be stronger than SSjin 2 Goku. SSjin 2 Teen Gohan is at most 60% of SSjin 2 Goku IMO.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If Boo arc SS2 Gohan had gotten angry, he would be around Cell Games SS2 Gohan, since his power didn't change since then. Only problem was that he couldn't get stronger through his anger.
This is Anime wise. In the Manga, Gohan doesn't get stronger through anger as he achieved SSjin 2. When Vegeta said there is no tell if he gets angry, he probably talked about his SSjin 2 because it was not known that Goku or Vegeta had SSjin 2 at that time.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Of course he is stronger, we already know that. Piccolo just confirmed to his self that Goku & Vegeta are stronger than Gohan, since he wasn't completely sure in the beginning.
He was not sure because both of those powers are out of his league.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Piccolo is so ridiculously below Vegeta and Goku so he can't tell the difference. He could not even tell the difference between Goku and Freeza and Goku is just 2X stronger than him.
Piccolo said that Goku is perhaps stronger than Cell Games Gohan (meaning that he most likely is), and Vegeta had to experience SS2 Goku's power for a 2nd time to confirm if Goku is actually stronger than Gohan.[/quote]

Burst SSjin 2 Goku is not Goku's full power and yet Vegeta decided to be under Babidi's control which means the difference between SSjin 2 Goku and SSjin 2 Vegeta is big and SSjin 2 Vegeta considered SSjin 2 Teen Gohan trash.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:49 am

Undertaker wrote:No, it's not. M8 was made by the time of USSjin 2 Trunks, he faced way weaker Z Fighters. FP PC was not in the Manga when M8 was amde so it is a fact. This is like saying Slug < Freeza is not a fact.
Movie 8 was released exactly when the Cell Games begun, and SS Goku was already shown as the strongest one in the gang (other than Gohan) when he displayed half of his power to Karin.
Undertaker wrote:Unless you have Broly 2X Gohan so no, he can't be stronger than SSjin 2 Goku. SSjin 2 Teen Gohan is at most 60% of SSjin 2 Goku IMO.
Yeah, Broli can easily be 2 times stronger than Gohan. Gohan literally couldn't do shit to Broli.

Undertaker wrote:This is Anime wise. In the Manga, Gohan doesn't get stronger through anger as he achieved SSjin 2. When Vegeta said there is no tell if he gets angry, he probably talked about his SSjin 2 because it was not known that Goku or Vegeta had SSjin 2 at that time.
I don't know why you are distinguishing the manga & the anime.
Vegeta was obviously comparing only himself (obviously before Babidi's power-up) with Cell Games Gohan. I didn't say anything different.
Undertaker wrote:He was not sure because both of those powers are out of his league.
We don't know if that's the reason. And I don't understand why this should be the reason. Piccolo (and everyone else) senses power X and power Y, and then compares. If the powers are very close, and power Y is from 7 years ago, he can tell which of the powers is greater, but not 100% centrally, so he needs more time to judge. What does Piccolo's power have to do with anything?
Undertaker wrote:Burst SSjin 2 Goku is not Goku's full power and yet Vegeta decided to be under Babidi's control which means the difference between SSjin 2 Goku and SSjin 2 Vegeta is big and SSjin 2 Vegeta considered SSjin 2 Teen Gohan trash.
It was enough for Vegeta to tell that there is a big difference between him & Goku, but not enough to tell the difference between Goku's & Gohan's power, because their powers were close to each other.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Time to resolve this debate Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2

Post by Undertaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:05 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Undertaker wrote:No, it's not. M8 was made by the time of USSjin 2 Trunks, he faced way weaker Z Fighters. FP PC was not in the Manga when M8 was amde so it is a fact. This is like saying Slug < Freeza is not a fact.
Movie 8 was released exactly when the Cell Games begun, and SS Goku was already shown as the strongest one in the gang (other than Gohan) when he displayed half of his power to Karin.
Undertaker wrote:Unless you have Broly 2X Gohan so no, he can't be stronger than SSjin 2 Goku. SSjin 2 Teen Gohan is at most 60% of SSjin 2 Goku IMO.
Yeah, Broli can easily be 2 times stronger than Gohan. Gohan literally couldn't do shit to Broli.

Undertaker wrote:This is Anime wise. In the Manga, Gohan doesn't get stronger through anger as he achieved SSjin 2. When Vegeta said there is no tell if he gets angry, he probably talked about his SSjin 2 because it was not known that Goku or Vegeta had SSjin 2 at that time.
I don't know why you are distinguishing the manga & the anime.
Vegeta was obviously comparing only himself (obviously before Babidi's power-up) with Cell Games Gohan. I didn't say anything different.
Undertaker wrote:He was not sure because both of those powers are out of his league.
We don't know if that's the reason. And I don't understand why this should be the reason. Piccolo (and everyone else) senses power X and power Y, and then compares. If the powers are very close, and power Y is from 7 years ago, he can tell which of the powers is greater, but not 100% centrally, so he needs more time to judge. What does Piccolo's power have to do with anything?
Undertaker wrote:Burst SSjin 2 Goku is not Goku's full power and yet Vegeta decided to be under Babidi's control which means the difference between SSjin 2 Goku and SSjin 2 Vegeta is big and SSjin 2 Vegeta considered SSjin 2 Teen Gohan trash.
It was enough for Vegeta to tell that there is a big difference between him & Goku, but not enough to tell the difference between Goku's & Gohan's power, because their powers were close to each other.
M8 was released just before Goku went all out vs Cell but it was made by the time of USSjin 2 Trunks. Why? To me it's because Broly should be comparable to the Cell Games FPSSjins which is why the movie was released at that time. Goku showed half of his power was just to demonstrate his power to Korrin. His main power during the time of M8 production ws just his 10days SSjin state while his Cell Games self is exclusive for the Cell Games and M8 existed before so it's common sense he is way weaker. Plus, Goku's design for the movie was copied from his 10 days and his warming up vs Cell so it's confirmed M8 Goku ~ 10 days SSjin Goku and he is less than 50% of his Cell Games. I have him 25% of his Cell Games self.

Broly has no feats to put him 2X Gohan. Gohan's hits were able to stun him which is evident by Broly's angry expression when he grabbed Gohan. Gohan even broke his hold. I have Gohan at 65% of Broly's power.

Because in the Anime Gohan can get stronger through rage which is why SPC > SSjin 2 Kid Gohan in the Anime. It's not the case in the Manga. Vegeta was comparing Gohan to Goku and himself and probably referred to their SSjins states.

Piccolo could not tell the difference between Goku and Frieza and Goku is just 2X Piccolo so regardless, SSjin 2 Goku should be well above SSjin 2 Kid Gohan.

Yet, Vegeta was superior to Gohan in the Buu Saga and he should be at least close to SSjin 2 Kid Gohan and SSjin 2 Goku was well above SSjin 2 Vegeta.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:24 am

Gohan's & Broli's difference seems to be the same as Goku's & Broli's in M8. Gohan didn't stun Broli, and the hold he broke wasn't anything impressive.

The rest you say are just you saying your opinion.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Undertaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:32 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gohan's & Broli's difference seems to be the same as Goku's & Broli's in M8. Gohan didn't stun Broli, and the hold he broke wasn't anything impressive.

The rest you say are just you saying your opinion.
Are you serious? M8 Goku was weaker than RSSjin Broly aND gOHAN DID BETTER. gOHAN KICKED HIM TWICE AND BROKES HIS HOLD. That's doing better than anyone else. Broly has no feats. What is my opinion? Yes, I have SSjin 2 Goku not just somewhat above SSjin 2 Kid Gohan but not leagues ahead of him either. It's all there in the Manga and you can call it an opinion if you want but M8 Goku is not because I have Toei's concept art.

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Undertaker wrote:Are you serious? M8 Goku was weaker than RSSjin Broly aND gOHAN DID BETTER. gOHAN KICKED HIM TWICE AND BROKES HIS HOLD. That's doing better than anyone else.
Yeah... Gohan's hits didn't scratch him at all. They just moved him a little, exactly like Goku & co. managed to do in M8. As for the hold, it wasn't anything special. Broli had just stretched Gohan's hands and was pushing him with his knee, and Gohan putted all his strength to drag Broli's hands, then he kicked him in the face, sending him just one step back. What a great achievement.

And what do you want to prove with Goku's concept art? That he is from the 10 days? I know that, and you should also know that Cell Games Goku = 10 days Goku.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Undertaker wrote:Are you serious? M8 Goku was weaker than RSSjin Broly aND gOHAN DID BETTER. gOHAN KICKED HIM TWICE AND BROKES HIS HOLD. That's doing better than anyone else.
Yeah... Gohan's hits didn't scratch him at all. They just moved him a little, exactly like Goku & co. managed to do in M8. As for the hold, it wasn't anything special. Broli had just stretched Gohan's hands and was pushing him with his knee, and Gohan putted all his strength to drag Broli's hands, then he kicked him in the face, sending him just one step back. What a great achievement.

And what do you want to prove with Goku's concept art? That he is from the 10 days? I know that, and you should also know that Cell Games Goku = 10 days Goku.
Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan meaning the kicks hurt him. No one in M8 was able to lay a hit on him. They copied M8 10 Days/Warming up Goku because this is the power he displays in M8. It's less than half of his Cell Games power. This is why he has round eyes in M8 and he and Gohan are natural because they are based on their 10 days strength. Why not copying a scan of Goku while full power vs Cell? Simple, this is probably Broly's level in M8.
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Post by Undertaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:47 pm

Fox666 wrote:Goku was warming up the whole time in movie 8.
Oh, here it goes again. It was not known how exactly strong Goku was at that time and M8 is just an alternative universe where Goku just has his 10 days state because this is the time line when the movie was produced.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:49 pm

Undertaker wrote:Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan meaning the kicks hurt him.
Or, he got annoyed because Gohan broke his hold.
Undertaker wrote:They copied M8 10 Days/Warming up Goku because this is the power he displays in M8. It's less than half of his Cell Games power. This is why he has round eyes in M8 and he and Gohan are natural because they are based on their 10 days strength. Why not copying a scan of Goku while full power vs Cell? Simple, this is probably Broly's level in M8.
The writers didn't care about Goku's power. They just took the designs and made SSFP Goku > SSFP Gohan > SSG2 Vegeta ~ SSG2 Trunks > Piccolo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Undertaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:20 pm

Fox666 wrote:So it's like Goku was warming up the whole time in movie 8?
No, because M8 is an alternative universe where Goku's 10 days state is his max because it was his main level when the movie was still produced.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:23 pm

Undertaker wrote:No, because M8 is an alternative universe where Goku's 10 days state is his max because it was his main level when the movie was still produced.
Again, opinion. Not a fact.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Undertaker wrote:Broly was shown angry when he grabbed Gohan meaning the kicks hurt him.
Or, he got annoyed because Gohan broke his hold.
Undertaker wrote:They copied M8 10 Days/Warming up Goku because this is the power he displays in M8. It's less than half of his Cell Games power. This is why he has round eyes in M8 and he and Gohan are natural because they are based on their 10 days strength. Why not copying a scan of Goku while full power vs Cell? Simple, this is probably Broly's level in M8.
The writers didn't care about Goku's power. They just took the designs and made SSFP Goku > SSFP Gohan > SSG2 Vegeta ~ SSG2 Trunks > Piccolo.
He was shown angry before Gohan broke his hold.

You are right.

Toei only used 10 days SSjin Goku.

Initial LSSjin Broly ~ Cell Games FPSSjin Goku > RSSjin Broly (FP) ~ 50% MSSjin Goku > RSSjin Broly (tanking Vegeta) > M8 Goku ~ 10 Days SSjin Goku ~ Initial Perfect Cell.

I would place M8 Gohan just about in par with Trunks since he was not known to be stronger than them. Cell even considered Vegeta, Piccolo and Trunks to be stronger than Gohan because he mentioned them and not Gohan in the Anime.
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Post by Undertaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:27 pm

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Undertaker wrote:No, because M8 is an alternative universe where Goku's 10 days state is his max because it was his main level when the movie was still produced.
Again, opinion. Not a fact.
Toei's design shows M8 Goku is as strong as he was when he was resting and warming up vs Cell. His look and natural state proves it. Toei's designs make it fact.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:31 pm

OK, I said my opinion, you said yours, now let's just agree that we disagree. This discussion is not going anywhere, in both threads.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Duo » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:18 pm

I don't understand how you all find the energy to maintain these discussions. It's just over-exhaustive speculations and arguing interpretations. Isn't it just enough that Broli was able to beat up everybody he ever was shown to fight against? You won't ever know how those similar fighters would do in comparison because those situations didn't and never could play out.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:19 pm

Duo wrote:I don't understand how you all find the energy to maintain these discussions.
I wonder myself as well. :lol:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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