Time to resolve this debate Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Goku

[Undertaker]

Movie 10 LSSJ Broly vs SSJ2 Goku. Who is stronger? Opinions? Evidence? Anybody?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Ssj2 Goku is stronger than the ssj2 Gohan from the Cell games and Broly had trouble with a weaker Gohan who lacked anger sooooo yeah...

[Kaboom]

The blurb about Broly in the entry for Movie 10 in Daizenshuu 6's guide for the films...

Super Saiyan
He transforms into a Super Saiyan, just like Goku and the others. Because he possessed high battle ability from birth, he is the owner of power that surpasses Goku's.

...Would seem to suggest that Broly is stronger than Goku, at least at equivalent transformations. So I guess it all depends on how one thinks LSSj compares to SSj2.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't take that excerpt seriously at all. It's already ridiculous to suggest Ssj Broly is stronger than Fpssj Goku from the Cell games =/. Movies always tend to spout bull crap.

[Undertaker]

I don't take that excerpt seriously at all. It's already ridiculous to suggest Ssj Broly is stronger than Fpssj Goku from the Cell games =/. Movies always tend to spout bull crap.

M10 SSJ Broly > Buu Saga FPSSJ Goku not Cell Games and what troubles? Gohan just stunned him a few times but that's not troubles. Broly tanked a punch and three shotted him. Gohan was enraged as he saw his friends beaten. Anger doesn't change anything regardless.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fpssj Goku is stronger than the unenraged ssj2 Gonna at the Cell games IMO. It's ridiculous for ssj Broly to be that strong. Even more so when you consider the fact that Ssj Broly couldn't really do anything to Gohan. There is also the possibility that that excerpt is referring to the Cell Games Goku since Toei was completely unaware of how strong Goku was at the time of the film.

[hleV]

Broli's probably weaker than pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta, hence why Toei didn't let him appear in the movie.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Broli's probably weaker than pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta, hence why Toei didn't let him appear in the movie.

Yup.

[Fox666]

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[Undertaker]

Fpssj Goku is stronger than the unenraged ssj2 Gonna at the Cell games IMO. It's ridiculous for ssj Broly to be that strong. Even more so when you consider the fact that Ssj Broly couldn't really do anything to Gohan. There is also the possibility that that excerpt is referring to the Cell Games Goku since Toei was completely unaware of how strong Goku was at the time of the film.

The time line is the Buu Saga and Gohan is the strongest in the Cell Games. Toei knew how strong Goku was in M10 time line. Goku even shows up in the movie as a SSJ. FPSSJ Goku > SSJ2 Gohan? There is no such a thing as Enraged SSJ2 Gohan. Even Perfect Cell would beat Buu Saga FPSSJ AS HE SHOULD NOT HAD IMPROVED SO MUCH.

Broli's probably weaker than pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta, hence why Toei didn't let him appear in the movie.

No, it's because Vegeta never existed as a SSJ2 at that time and Gohan was the main character at that arc and the only one known to have SSJ2.

[hleV]

They could have made Broli stronger if that was the case...

Then Gohan wouldn't be able to do shit, and I think they wanted to highlight Gohan in the movie (once again).

Maybe they were uncertain whenever Vegeta would be able to transform in Super Saiyan 2 or not and choose to not use him in the movie?

Even if Toei somehow didn't want to contradict the series (that didn't seem to be the case in many other movies), why not ask AT whether Vegeta had SS2 right before Boo arc (or 25th TB)?

Or was the movie released before Vegeta went SS2 in the manga?

[Undertaker]

They could have made Broli stronger if that was the case...

Then Gohan wouldn't be able to do shit, and I think they wanted to highlight Gohan in the movie (once again).

Maybe they were uncertain whenever Vegeta would be able to transform in Super Saiyan 2 or not and choose to not use him in the movie?

Even if Toei somehow didn't want to contradict the series (that didn't seem to be the case in many other movies), why not ask AT whether Vegeta had SS2 right before Boo arc (or 25th TB)?

Or was the movie released before Vegeta went SS2 in the manga?

The movie was released five days after the chapter when Goku and Vegeta went SSJ2 and started fighting. This is not how movies work.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fpssj Goku is stronger than the unenraged ssj2 Gonna at the Cell games IMO. It's ridiculous for ssj Broly to be that strong. Even more so when you consider the fact that Ssj Broly couldn't really do anything to Gohan. There is also the possibility that that excerpt is referring to the Cell Games Goku since Toei was completely unaware of how strong Goku was at the time of the film.

The time line is the Buu Saga and Gohan is the strongest in the Cell Games. Toei knew how strong Goku was in M10 time line. Goku even shows up in the movie as a SSJ. FPSSJ Goku > SSJ2 Gohan? There is no such a thing as Enraged SSJ2 Gohan. Even Perfect Cell would beat Buu Saga FPSSJ AS HE SHOULD NOT HAD IMPROVED SO MUCH.

Broli's probably weaker than pre-Majin SS2 Vegeta, hence why Toei didn't let him appear in the movie.

No, it's because Vegeta never existed as a SSJ2 at that time and Gohan was the main character at that arc and the only one known to have SSJ2.

You are in fact wrong about Gohan. The Daizenshuus state that Gohan wasn't as powerful at that Budokai because he lacked anger.

[Duo]

Who exactly cares about this debate and why does it have to be answered? There's no real direct evidence suggesting one would be greater than the other, as we don't even know if Gohan was supposed to be Ssj2 during that movie or not.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Who exactly cares about this debate and why does it have to be answered? There's no real direct evidence suggesting one would be greater than the other, as we don't even know if Gohan was supposed to be Ssj2 during that movie or not.

There is decent evidence that Goku can grape Broly as a ssj2.

[Fox666]

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[Duo]

Who exactly cares about this debate and why does it have to be answered? There's no real direct evidence suggesting one would be greater than the other, as we don't even know if Gohan was supposed to be Ssj2 during that movie or not.

There is decent evidence that Goku can grape Broly as a ssj2.

No. No there isn't. Straws have to be grasped.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Who exactly cares about this debate and why does it have to be answered? There's no real direct evidence suggesting one would be greater than the other, as we don't even know if Gohan was supposed to be Ssj2 during that movie or not.

There is decent evidence that Goku can grape Broly as a ssj2.

No. No there isn't. Straws have to be grasped.

Well lets see here, Gohan is weaker than his Cell games self and he actually manages to give Broly half a challenge implying they aren't too far apart. SSJ2 Goku is stated to be stronger than his son from the Cell games. This would imply SSJ2 Goku is stronger. No evidence is given as to how much of an advantage Goku holds though. I personally think he'll slaughter him with little to no effort.

[Fox666]

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[DBZGTKOSDH]

We can't really know. M10 LSS Broli was stronger than Boo arc/M10 SS2 Gohan, and SS2 Gohan from Cell Games was stronger than Boo arc/M10 SS2 Gohan. SS2 Goku was also stronger than Cell Games SS2 Gohan.
So, we know that Broli, Goku, and Cell Games Gohan are stronger than M10 Gohan, and that Goku is stronger than Cell Games Gohan, but we can't know if Broli is stronger than Cell Games Gohan or SS2 Goku.