Worst Dragonball Z Movie...ever

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:33 pm

Duo wrote:I don't care about the point of Broly's character. They didn't execute the idea well if that's what you want me to say. If he was really that much stronger than them and insane as you say, they would have died in moments.

As for the movie placement - the Characters were not at the strength they were at the Cell Game. They were far weaker. It is most probable that it "takes place" just a little while after Gohan goes SS in the Rosat.

And don't give me the "How could they be taken out of the Rosat" line. None of the movies make sense, why should this one?

My point is just that: none of the movies fit. That's why there's such a huge strength difference. As for not being killed right away, Broly wants to torture them. He can't quite do that if he kills them first now can he?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:39 pm

Xyex - How can they be post rosat? Goku and Gohan were not in the state of Super Saiyan all the time, they had to power into it, and Gohan was the weakest of the fighters. If they were post rosat, he would have been the strongest at of all the Dragon Team.

And who gives you the authority to just "say it is so"? Why don't you back your claims up for once?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:44 pm

Duo wrote:Xyex - How can they be post rosat? Goku and Gohan were not in the state of Super Saiyan all the time, they had to power into it, and Gohan was the weakest of the fighters. If they were post rosat, he would have been the strongest at of all the Dragon Team.

And who gives you the authority to just "say it is so"? Why don't you back your claims up for once?

Movie 8 is set in a world where Vegeta obliterated Semi-Perfect Cell. They have no reason to remain powered up. And, if you'll remember, Gohan, before he was pushed, wasn't the strongest of them.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:50 pm

Xyex wrote:
Duo wrote:Xyex - How can they be post rosat? Goku and Gohan were not in the state of Super Saiyan all the time, they had to power into it, and Gohan was the weakest of the fighters. If they were post rosat, he would have been the strongest at of all the Dragon Team.

And who gives you the authority to just "say it is so"? Why don't you back your claims up for once?
Movie 8 is set in a world where Vegeta obliterated Semi-Perfect Cell. They have no reason to remain powered up. And, if you'll remember, Gohan, before he was pushed, wasn't the strongest of them.

Whoa. Where is it stated that Movie 8 takes place in a world where Vegeta killed Cell? As far as I know, all of the movies take place in the same world as the series. Although they can't fit into the main timeline.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:00 pm

When Son Gohan powered up to battle Cell, the Bio-Android flat out stated that Goku wasn't bluffing, and that Gohan WAS stronger than Goku, but that he could still defeat him. And then Cell, fighting at the same level he fought Goku, couldn't even hit him. He had to power up more to be able to beat Gohan up. The one attack Gohan threw back knocked Cell on his butt, too.

Gohan also thought Goku and Cell weren't at full power when they fought, because he thought his Dad was stronger than him.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:00 pm

Duo wrote:Xyex - How can they be post rosat? Goku and Gohan were not in the state of Super Saiyan all the time, they had to power into it, and Gohan was the weakest of the fighters. If they were post rosat, he would have been the strongest at of all the Dragon Team.

And who gives you the authority to just "say it is so"? Why don't you back your claims up for once?

Now you're just being an asshole. In another thread you yourself took the viewpoint that the movies can't take place (this very movie being your example!). There's your reason why being stated by Xyex: it would have to be post-RoSaT, which obviously isn't possible, hence why it can't take place.

MyVisionity: He's not saying it's canon, just that something along those are the closest thing that can happen to make it fit. The "alternate timeline", if you'll excuse my lack of a better wording, being that Vegeta won his battle against Cell, which is why they aren't training for the Cell Games.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:12 pm

Whoa. Where is it stated that Movie 8 takes place in a world where Vegeta killed Cell? As far as I know, all of the movies take place in the same world as the series. Although they can't fit into the main timeline.

They all occur in varriations of the original world. In this case the varriation is that Cell isn't around anymore and Broly is. The fact that Goku and Gohan aren't in SSJ and the fact that the world isn't panicking over the Cell Games is proof of this.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:19 pm

Those circumstances do allow it to make sense, but that also means Vegeta and Trunks wouldn't have trained again, and Goku and Gohan wouldn't be nearly as strong as they were at the Cell Game, because they don't hold the form all the time.

And Gohan still should be stronger than them all, as I posted and put much evidence up to back.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:28 pm

What about a theory in which Goku and Gohan powered down for a day or so. Maybe Chi-Chi didn't want Goku to go to the school interview as an SSJ, so she made him power down, maybe Gohan just did what his father did, what difference does it make?

Either way you look at it only certain movies fit into the timeline.

Movie 1 doesn't because it is supposed to take place "prior" to DBZ and Kuririn appears and meets Gohan. If Movie 1 occured, Krillin would've known Gohan at DBZ's beginning.

Movie 4-Impossible. Piccolo should be dead, Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma on Namek, and Goku in the hospital.

Movie 5-I think this one fits perfectly. Occurs during the three year training for the androids.

Movie 6-Impossible. With Dende as god, Gohan would have had a hair cut and become an SSJ.

Movie 7-Impossible. At this point, with Trunks back and all, the Z Warriors would be too busy fighting Cell and training in the Rosat.

Movie 8-Basically Impossible. Gohan and Goku would be at SSJ Full Power. No Cell.

Movie 9-Fits. After Trunks kills 17 & 18 he returns and joins in at the tournament.

Movie 10-How does Goten know Goku? The dragonballs also grant two wishes, not just the one Goten used.

Movie 11-Impossible. Can you say Majin Buu?

These are the only movies that I've seen so I've attempted to fit them in with the original storyline.

Magnaboss · Post by **Magnaboss** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:07 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Magnaboss wrote:FLCL would like to put it's boot up your ass please.
Note how they said "random." Despite FLCL being completely random, its music fit COMPLETELY. And if I'm not mistaken, The Pillows made that music specifically for FLCL. The American rock bands for the movies are terribly random and don't fit scenes at all, nor were they designed originally for the movies like the original soundtracks were. o_O

Even as much as I hate that god awful word "random", it is still not a word that should be used to describe FLCL, as things are there for a reason, however obscure it might be.

Punk rock, regardless of what it is, belongs wherever a director or ADR director puts it. Anime isn't defined by a singl;e style or genre, so to say "this and that" shouldn't go there is pretty close-minded and thick,.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:22 pm

I've only seen movies 3-9, but I'd say the worst of those was #4.

I didn't really like it because back when I saw it for the first time, I thought it was movie 3 repackaged. Aside from the quasi-SSJ (which I still think is awesome), there wasn't anything special about the movie.

Oh, that would've been fucking awesome if they took out the second Spirit Bomb in #3, and had Quasi-SSJ Goku kill Tullece and destroy the tree.

Last Son of Krypton · Post by **Last Son of Krypton** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:35 pm

Rocketman wrote:Oh, that would've been fucking awesome if they took out the second Spirit Bomb in #3, and had Quasi-SSJ Goku kill Tullece and destroy the tree.

That's an awesome idea. The tree gives Goku the energy to turn Quasi SSJ. The look on Tullece's face would have been priceless. Definitely a WTF? moment.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:19 pm

Movie 5 does not fit because Gohan was the age he was on Namek, but by the time Goku came back, a year and a half had passed, and Goku mastered the form of Super Saiyan.

Movie 9 doesn't fit because Gohan was capable of going Super Saiyan 2 of his own will, proven when he powered down after Cell "Died" but then powered back up when he came back, and then later at the 25 Tenka'ichi Budokai, despite being weaker than before.

Truthfully, every movie has a flaw of some kind. Some of them would even need the SMALLEST of adjustments to work, but they should be looked at as Fanfiction, which is basically what they are.

Dominator · Post by **Dominator** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:31 am

The movies are all what-ifs, well I think of them that way anyway.

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:42 am

Dayspring wrote:I doubt they'd do a 20th anniversary movie. 25th is more likely. Here's hoping I'm wrong, though!

If there was going to be a 20th anniversary movie, it would've most likely been confirmed by now. It seems like that ain't happenin'. Too bad, they could've even just made it a one minute long special that takes place right where DBZ ended and has the new scene from the rereleased manga of Goku giving kintoun to Uub and then it says that every scene from the manga is in the anime once again, the end.

Why would a 25th one be more likely? And which would be more likely between a 25th and 30th one(people often think of multiples of ten as the special numbers)?

Eclipse wrote:If so, we'd have to wait until February 2006 -_-. Nooo!!!

What'd be so bad about waiting four months? Or did you mean to say 2011 there?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:43 am

[quote="Metrite"]
Why would a 25th one be more likely? And which would be more likely between a 25th and 30th one(people often think of multiples of ten as the special numbers)?

Er, no. Special anniversaries are usually 1, 5, 10, 25, 50, 75. What makes them special is the amount of time that's gone by, not that they're a multiple of ten.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:46 am

Movie 9 doesn't fit because Gohan was capable of going Super Saiyan 2 of his own will, proven when he powered down after Cell "Died" but then powered back up when he came back, and then later at the 25 Tenka'ichi Budokai, despite being weaker than before.

Movie 9 does fit. It and 13 are the only ones since neither contradicts anything.

h3ndrix2005 · Post by **h3ndrix2005** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:39 am

With all of the talk about Lord Slug going on, I popped the dvd into my ps2 just for the hell of it. After watching it, I have to say that it isn't so bad; it's just one of the worst out of all of the movies.

Anyways, you guys remember Tambourine and Drum, right? They were Piccolo Daimao's henchmen, or, sons. And, since he's able to give birth to other demons, I wondered if Lord Slug could do the same. I mean, those henchmen of his sure did remind me of Daimao's; enough to make me want to post this. So, what do you guys think?

Movie 9 does fit. It and 13 are the only ones since neither contradicts anything.

I think the Bardock and Trunks movies fit, too. Even though they were more of a TV special than a movie, they still count. In my book, anyway.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:45 am

But, like you said, they were specials, not movies. They fit by nature (the only problem with HoT is that it's different than the manga version, though in a better way imo). It's a given that the specials fit, and that they're not movies.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:38 pm

Xyex wrote:
Movie 9 does fit. It and 13 are the only ones since neither contradicts anything.
Trunks' sword obtaining completely contradicts Future Trunks' history considering Goten exists, everyone's alive and each Saiyan has gone beyond Super Saiyan (Goten and Trunks as Gotenks going Super Saiyan 3). >_>; Not to mention, we hardly ever see that sword from Kid Trunks' timeline again.

Even as much as I hate that god awful word "random", it is still not a word that should be used to describe FLCL, as things are there for a reason, however obscure it might be.
So you mean to say that the insanity and jumping into animated manga format twice in the six episodes, and pretty much most of the punishment Haruko inflicts on Naota before anything attacks the city isn't "random" and happens for a reason? >_> Right.

Punk rock, regardless of what it is, belongs wherever a director or ADR director puts it. Anime isn't defined by a singl;e style or genre, so to say "this and that" shouldn't go there is pretty close-minded and thick,.

Uh, you're right. Anime isn't a single style or genre. However, shows itself CAN be defined by a single style or genre. Anime in general, cannot because of the vast amount of different kinds of shows. Dragon Ball Z isn't JUST about fighting and being fast paced and having heavy music play. If you watch the first dubbed Brolli movie, you'll note how a lot of the music just doesn't fit in with some of the scenes at all. Especially the lyrics. Just because Z has fighting in it, doesn't mean that it's specifically just that. ;\