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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by DBZ Mick » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:24 am

I think the GT villains like Super 17 and the Shadow Dragons could have been written better. Super 17 was just a bigger and stronger version of #17 and his whole saga was pointless.
I kinda did like the material with Super #17 and #18. The struggle within #17's human side clashing with Hell Fighter #17's pure machine mutant/android side.

I do agree about the One Star Dragon but he was still enjoyable enough.
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Post by Ajay » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:29 am

I still to this day hate the change that Kaioshin got. He went from badass to pretty much nothing. I'm also upset that he lost his badass look as soon as he merged with Kibito.

Tenshinhan never really lost anything, he just... faded out of existence. Fantastic character and his battle vs. Cell is one of my favourite moments in the series. Real shame that he had no real part in the story after that.

I love Piccolo's transformation into a real father figure for Gohan and Goten/Trunks but at the same time, I miss him being a great warrior. Any time he shows up, I get shivers because it becomes such a rarity that you know something fantastic is about to happen. It's such a shame that they didn't do more with his character before his sacrifice in GT. I actually really like that moment in the series but because he has literally no screen time before that moment, the real oomph that that scene could have had is diminished.
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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by Vice » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:35 pm

Gohan, of all people, deserved more? Stop it, he got more than enough.

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Post by Ajay » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:06 pm

Vice wrote:Gohan, of all people, deserved more? Stop it, he got more than enough.
Well, I think a lot of people are a little miffed by the fact he was all set up to be the star of the show only to have a background role in the end.
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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:01 pm

Upa and Arale. Arale was much more powerful than Goku as a kid, I wonder how she would be as an adult.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:05 pm

UpFromTheSkies wrote:Upa and Arale. Arale was much more powerful than Goku as a kid, I wonder how she would be as an adult.
Does Arale ever grow up? I admit that I don't know much about Dr. Slump...
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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:08 pm

Captian Ginyu in Goku's body.

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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:10 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
UpFromTheSkies wrote:Upa and Arale. Arale was much more powerful than Goku as a kid, I wonder how she would be as an adult.
Does Arale ever grow up? I admit that I don't know much about Dr. Slump...
As far as I know she never grew up in the manga. I always wanted her to show up again later in the series, the Android arc would have been appropriate...and speaking of the Android arc, I always liked #16 a lot, and wish he would have come back again.

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Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:16 pm

UpFromTheSkies wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
UpFromTheSkies wrote:Upa and Arale. Arale was much more powerful than Goku as a kid, I wonder how she would be as an adult.
Does Arale ever grow up? I admit that I don't know much about Dr. Slump...
As far as I know she never grew up in the manga. I always wanted her to show up again later in the series, the Android arc would have been appropriate...and speaking of the Android arc, I always liked #16 a lot, and wish he would have come back again.
No, she doesn't grow because she's a robot. She mainly showed up in Dragon Ball as a joke anyway. But it would have been interesting to see her in a "Z" era arc. I think that #18 deserved more attention in the Boo arc. It would have been nice to see her fight along with the rest.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:18 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Captian Ginyu in Goku's body.
Or even just Ginyu, in his purple body (assuming that might not be his original body).
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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by Haji » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:27 pm

Raditz, maybe something like the what-if story in Sparking Neo.

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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:45 pm

Everyone who is not named Mark, Goku, or Vegeta in the Majin Boo Arc

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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by Rocketman » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:51 pm

Does Tien even have a personality?

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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:Does Tenshinhan even have a personality?
He's Vegeta or Piccolo if they wasn't main characters.

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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by Saiga » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:49 am

Rocketman wrote:Does Tenshinhan even have a personality?
He was a dick, and then he was less of a dick, and then he was sorry for being a dick, and then he wasn't a dick.

So ultimately, no, not anymore.
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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by Godo » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:31 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Does Tenshinhan even have a personality?
He's Vegeta or Piccolo if they wasn't main characters.
Tenshinhan has Chao-zu, who is in himself a character that apart from his fight with Kuririn and his self-sacrifice against Nappa stands in the background.
Being in love with Chao-zu is pretty much everything he as that appeals to his personality.
With the removal of Chao-zu from the main storyline, the main part of Tenshinhan's personality was lost.
Also, Tenshinhan has no real origin to build upon. He is just an ex-assassin with a third eye and a mime as his closest friend.

Piccolo is the son of Katatz, one of the sole survivors from the Namekian apocalypse. Upon landing on Earth he found himself abandoned. Eventually he started to travel Earth and thus gained some evil in his heart.
With time he became acquainted with the Kami of Earth who was looking for a successor. But to be able to become the new Kami he had to cleanse his heart of evil.
Thus Piccolo Daimao was created and there started the struggle between the two polar opposites.
Piccolo Daimao spawns off in the midst of his death after fighting Goku, and Piccolo Jr. is born.
The two of them fight together in the mightiest Tenkaichi Budokai ever.
After 7 years Piccolo Jr. has to team up with Goku to defeat Raditz, and later takes Goku's son under his wing and eventually becomes good, being kind of a surrogate father to Gohan.

Vegeta had at least the same origins as Goku, and was pretty much his polar opposite. He was Goku's rival as from the SSJ transformation. Being a SSJ, it was not tough at all to keep him on.

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:37 am

Androids 17 and 18. We know 18 lurked around in the Buu arc, but still not much from her (we mentioned her already, I know). 17 was brought back to life since he was killed by Cell, but why is he just hidden in the Buu arc. Is he finding himself? Was he killed by Super Buu's Human Extinction? Don't 17 and 18 want to figure out who they were prior to being and Android? Do they just have no recollection? I understand 18, she started her new life with... Krillin. But I don't see how 17 can just roam about quietly.
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Post by ABED » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:47 am

You don't need an origin for there to be a personality. Tenshinhan develops a great sense of honor and is protective of his friends. That's a personality.

I know many find it funny to say Tenshinhan and Chaozu are gay, but since Toriyama hasn't gone on the record (that I know of) to say if they are or aren't, it often comes off as juvenille to say they're a gay couple.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:54 am

ABED wrote:You don't need an origin for there to be a personality. Tenshinhan develops a great sense of honor and is protective of his friends. That's a personality.

I know many find it funny to say Tenshinhan and Chaozu are gay, but since Toriyama hasn't gone on the record (that I know of) to say if they are or aren't, it often comes off as juvenille to say they're a gay couple.
Agreed. I feel like Tenshinhan is an older brother to Chaozu if anything. Or at least he acts that way.
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Re: Characters who deserved more...

Post by Godo » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:24 pm

DarkPrince_92 wrote:
ABED wrote:You don't need an origin for there to be a personality. Tenshinhan develops a great sense of honor and is protective of his friends. That's a personality.

I know many find it funny to say Tenshinhan and Chaozu are gay, but since Toriyama hasn't gone on the record (that I know of) to say if they are or aren't, it often comes off as juvenille to say they're a gay couple.
Agreed. I feel like Tenshinhan is an older brother to Chaozu if anything. Or at least he acts that way.
I believe that most fans see it this way too.

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