As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:17 am

FoolsGil wrote:The villain can make things personal. Capturing Family and Friends, take them offworld, threaten to kill them, etc
Done in Deadzone and nearly every movie in the series. Gohan and Krillin fight with Goku in pretty much every movie and get beat up, nearly killed etc. Goku does not seem to care. If he did he'd probably go all Vegeta like when Cell killed Trunks. Though..Id really like to see Goku just go berserk on someone for hurting/killing a family member or friend. Not like he did with Freeza, but like Vegeta did against Bills and against Cell.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:26 pm

Why not make Whis into the villain or at least the adversary.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:27 pm

I don't get why people would be mad if Toei ever made a villain stronger then Super Yi Xing Long? No one was upset that a machine mutant was stronger then Kid Buu. The idea of a cyborg, mutant or some other powerful force in the universe stronger then the Shadow Dragons or SSj4 Gogeta is not that far fetch.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:31 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't get why people would be mad if Toei ever made a villain stronger then Super Yi Xing Long? No one was upset that a machine mutant was stronger then Kid Buu. The idea of a cyborg, mutant or some other powerful force in the universe stronger then the Shadow Dragons or SSj4 Gogeta is not that far fetch.
True. Especially now that there are 11 more Universes, we can see bad guys (and even good guys) that are aliens, artificial humans, god, demons, or magical beings that can be stronger than SS4 Gogeta & Whis.
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Post by Zephyr » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:57 pm

This is one of the things GT did well enough, with turning the reality bending Dragon Balls themselves into obscenely powerful foes.

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Post by InfernalVegito » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:09 pm

Yeah, with Yi Xing Long's demise everything just comes full circle.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:54 pm

A Ki blocker who disable ki. Or someone like Janemba. Knowing Dragonball anything is possible

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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:09 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:or better yet penguin soldier, of course nobody actually runs that in today's meta...
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InfernalVegito wrote:Yeah, with Yi Xing Long's demise everything just comes full circle.
There is kind of this. Strikes me as a bit in bad taste to one up of the supah powa evil dragon.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:51 pm

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:or better yet penguin soldier, of course nobody actually runs that in today's meta...
Which is really odd given how much better returning to the hand has become.
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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by MasterVampire » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:43 am

What about the Zfighters from a para universe come into our universe but they are evil.

So its like evil goku vs good goku etc....

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Re: As Villains go how can they top a God of Destruction?

Post by The Monkey King » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:44 pm

MasterVampire wrote:What about the Zfighters from a para universe come into our universe but they are evil.

So its like evil goku vs good goku etc....
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Post by TheRed259 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:17 pm

According to a fanmade story of mine, they do exist Immortal space warriors (The Immortals) with infinite power who also gain the powers of those that were killed by them (one of their victims is Paikuhan).

They do exist both good and evil Immortal warriors (both have blue hair) but the evil ones are much stronger. The dynasty of the evil ones is unstoppable since the good ones can do nothing against them and on top of that, the leader of the evil ones has the ability to pass his powers to another one in case the latter dies.

The leader of the evil Immortals can be killed only by Immortals (Immortals can be killed by Immortals --> because they are on a level of their own). Actually, there is also another way to defeat him but nobody wanted to try it all those years because they knew its fatal consequences.

All in all, Immortal warriors with infinitive power can top a God of Destruction.

Note: Considering that they is no Dragons & DragonBalls in the story.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:39 am

When I was talking about my warrior wizard guy, a good example would be XXI from DBM.
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Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:24 pm

I was thinking about it earlier and I was wondering what if they had a Dragon as the next villain?

They could do another movie where Goku and co go into the Dragon Realm where Shenron and Porunga reside and there could be a sort of evil Dragon King. It could be a huge gold Dragon akin to the one you're familiar with from Goku's Dragon Fist which transforms into a more humanoid appearance.

It could also have magical powers like Shenron. It could be a near omnipotent character. I'd see that as a steup up from Bills easily.

I know they sorta did Dragon's in GT but they did them so badly and hardly looked like Dragon's anyway.

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:26 pm

Bullza wrote:I was thinking about it earlier and I was wondering what if they had a Dragon as the next villain?

They could do another movie where Goku and co go into the Dragon Realm where Shenron and Porunga reside and there could be a sort of evil Dragon King. It could be a huge gold Dragon akin to the one you're familiar with from Goku's Dragon Fist which transforms into a more humanoid appearance.

It could also have magical powers like Shenron. It could be a near omnipotent character. I'd see that as a steup up from Bills easily.

I know they sorta did Dragon's in GT but they did them so badly and hardly looked like Dragon's anyway.
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Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:36 pm

Yeah something big and intimidating like that which would transform into a humanoid battle form that looked like this.

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The shows called Dragon Ball. Dragon's don't have much relevance anymore, they've never truly been explained and I think it'd be a good opportunity to have something new for them.
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:21 pm

One thing I always like about the Egyptian Gods (especially Ra) is that they always had this sense of presence to them, something that Omega Shenron lacked.

Beers sorta had that "feel" to him but still.. it doesn't quite match up to that feeling of inferiority one gets when ever an Egyptian God or Exodia showed up its probably because they look waaay more intimidating than most DB villains.

I remember having that "holy shit" moment when Gosuboro summoned Exodia Nercros and getting excited when Dark Marik (my favorite Yu-gi-oh villain) summoned or spoke about The Winged Dragon of motherfucking Ra.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:00 pm

That's probably due to angles, they show these things looming over you in the sky and being freaking huge while you're looking at them from the perspective of being tiny.

Shenron and Porunga have that same effect, although when you know that King Piccolo is strong enough to kill Shenron it's kind of wasted.
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