Why do fans hate/demonize Yamcha and Chi-Chi?

[Kid Buu]

Its a 90s anime, and it's a show based on character-interaction rather than plot-based. However, every episode has something that helps advance the overall story.

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Agree to disagree, I think SM is hilarious. I watched it subbed all the time.

I think the only funny thing about SM was the awful english dub...Luna's voice for example is just WTF xD
Don't really remember SM being that funny apart from that

But yet you remember the characters names?

I watched it all the time with my Sisters(waiting for it to end so I could watch DBZ) of course I remember the names
Well at least I do remember the main characters names...I think...at least the dub names
Of the top of my head
Sailor Moon=Serena
Sailor Mini Moon=Rini
Sailor Mars=Rei
Sailor Jupiter=Can't remember
Sailor Mercury=Can't remember
Sailor Venus=Can't remember
Luna and Artemis=The Black and White Cats IIRC
Tuxedo Mask=Darian or Darien...don't know what it's spelled
Can't remember anymore than this

[Kid Buu]

Okay, if you're judging the show off its DiC dub than that's pretty much like judging DBZ off the Big Green dub or One Piece of the 4kids dub.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes, Cui, Appule, Dodoria, Zarbon, 19, and Pui-Pui are all insignificant small fry.

If Zarbon is the most plot relevant guy you've beaten, then yes, you've gotten the shaft.

Considering that Cui/Dodoria/Zarbon/post-absorption 19 could've curbstomped almost the entire cast and two of them were just about to kill major characters when Vegeta stepped in, I'm gonna disagree.

The most plot relevant guy Vegeta beat was Cell. 19 is the most plot relevant one he killed/finished off. Going by your logic, Goku got screwed over in Z. The most plot relevant guy he beat was Nappa.

I'll give Dodoria, and Zarbon but Cui and Appule where pretty insignificant, and #19 and Jeice could have been beaten by Goku himself.

At least as significant as the guys Goku beat, except maybe Nappa.

Wait, what? 19 was killing Goku. Jeice could've killed Gohan and Krillin and stopped them from getting Goku's body back if Vegeta wasn't there.

I'll give you Buu, but not Cell. Sure, Vegeta had a part in distracting him but without Goku's guidance, reassurance, and training, Gohan wouldn't have defeated Cell.

Wait, you're counting training? If so, Kaio defeated Vegeta.

Goku gave him a pep talk and that's all. Vegeta was actually there intervening physically, even if the whole mess was his fault.

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Its a 90s anime, and it's a show based on character-interaction rather than plot-based. However, every episode has something that helps advance the overall story.

Problem is...in Sailor Moon it's done so badly
We never see the Sailor Scouts grow...they always remain incompetent

A Cartoon that did this whole Chick Team Gimmick right was W.I.T.C.H...all of the main characters could control an element besides the main character(for the first season only)...the characters were pretty decent too and they were somewhat competent unlike the Bimbo Sailor Scouts...and it even had a pretty decent plot too

Okay, if you're judging the show off its DiC dub than that's pretty much like judging DBZ off the Big Green dub or One Piece of the 4kids dub.

I'm aware of the awful dub for Sailor Moon...but thing is...even with the FUNImation Dub I could enjoy DBZ...even with the Ocean Dub I could enjoy DBZ...but I can't enjoy Sailor Moon in any dub

Anyways let's not turn this thread into Sailor Moon

I apologize for being off-topic

[Kid Buu]

Its a 90s anime, and it's a show based on character-interaction rather than plot-based. However, every episode has something that helps advance the overall story.

Problem is...in Sailor Moon it's done so badly
We never see the Sailor Scouts grow...they always remain incompetent

A Cartoon that did this whole Chick Team Gimmick right was W.I.T.C.H...all of the main characters could control an element besides the main character(for the first season only)...the characters were pretty decent too and they were somewhat competent unlike the Bimbo Sailor Scouts...and it even had a pretty decent plot too
Anyways let's not turn this thread into Sailor Moon

I apologize for being off-topic

I know you want to get on-topic but I'm gonna respond because this is just wrong. Usagi may have been incompetent and needed someone to hold her hand in the beginning, but her character developed into a much stronger persona as the series went on. She literally took out the Big Bad in Season 3 all by herself. This is something we don't really see much in Goku's character arc in DB, seeing as he already ROFLstomps every villain by himself unless he loses and then wins the rematch 3 chapters later.

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Its a 90s anime, and it's a show based on character-interaction rather than plot-based. However, every episode has something that helps advance the overall story.

Problem is...in Sailor Moon it's done so badly
We never see the Sailor Scouts grow...they always remain incompetent

A Cartoon that did this whole Chick Team Gimmick right was W.I.T.C.H...all of the main characters could control an element besides the main character(for the first season only)...the characters were pretty decent too and they were somewhat competent unlike the Bimbo Sailor Scouts...and it even had a pretty decent plot too
Anyways let's not turn this thread into Sailor Moon

I apologize for being off-topic

I know you want to get on-topic but I'm gonna respond because this is just wrong. Usagi may have been incompetent and needed someone to hold her hand in the beginning, but her character developed into a much stronger persona as the series went on. She literally took out the Big Bad in Season 3 all by herself. This is something we don't really see much in Goku's character arc in DB, seeing as he already ROFLstomps every villain by himself unless he loses and then wins the rematch 3 chapters later.

My problem with Serena(Usagi is her japanese name right?) is that she fails against the minor guys in every episode
And then suddenly she is always the one to kill the big villain at the end with her "friends ghosts" holding her hand or whatever
And this TBH is the case with everyone of the Sailor Scouts not just with Serena

Goku got his ass handed to him by King Piccolo twice IIRC before he could beat him...Tao almost killed him in his first encounter had it not been for the Dragon Ball deflecting the Dodon-Pa,Cell also kills Goku,Freeza fights with him neck to neck and Freeza's the one who actually dooms himself with his destructo disk,Goku runs out of Energy and can't use the Spirit Bomb to it's full potential against Buu till the Dragon Balls restore his energy...so I don't think Goku ROFLStomps every villain...at least not the Big Villains
Heck even Captain Ginyu gave him a run for his money with his body swapping technique

The big villain fights where Goku is most impressive is in Namek vs Freeza and in his Final Encounter vs King Piccolo

[Kid Buu]

Serena/Usagi was shown to be getting more competent as the series went on, but she didn't "fail" against minor villains. The battles were actually pretty creatively thought out, check out this for reference.

And yes, pre-DBZ Goku basically did win against every villain. The only ones he lost cleanly were to Mercenary Tao and King Piccolo, and in both cases he went up Korin Tower to come down and then just won the rematch.

[RandomGuy96]

And he would have won easier of those worthless non-Gokus didn't get in the way.

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Serena/Usagi was shown to be getting more competent as the series went on, but she didn't "fail" against minor villains. The battles were actually pretty creatively thought out, check out this for reference.

And yes, pre-DBZ Goku basically did win against every villain. The only ones he lost cleanly were to Mercenary Tao and King Piccolo, and in both cases he went up Karin Tower to come down and then just won the rematch.

That example really isn't helping...Serena was intimidated at the start and only got back to her senses when she realized her friends were fighting along side her(Sailor Mercury and Mars attacking the Villain)
I remember her being somewhat more competent/confident in Super Sailor Moon(the 4th season) but not by much

I dunno...there was a lot of fights in which Goku struggled in Dragonball too
Tao and Piccolo are the ones that come to mind cuz those were really the only big threats in Dragon Ball

For Non Villain Fights...He lost to Roshi in the Tenkaichi Budokai...and then he later lost to Tienshinhan in another Tenkaichi Budokai I think...and only won the tournament once
The ones Goku usually Stomped badly in Dragon Ball were usually mooks(like RRA Soldiers)

[Kid Buu]

Exactly, the whole point was to show that her character arc was about becoming more competent as the series goes; something I don't think we see in Kid Goku's arc. Oh and she wasn't even the main character in Season 4.

Goku loses to Jackie Chun, but Chun isn't a villain so he's not really a threat. Goku only lost to Tenshinhan because the car hit him, and Tenshinhan later championed him as the real winner of the fight.

[DBZAOTA482]

So basically you're saying:

Settling down to raise family = "OMG fighting is for fags"?

Here you are calling a fictional character is irrational but what you're saying isn't making a lick of sense.

First, no, that's not what I'm saying. Second, I would never be so crass. And finally, my issue wasn't her settling down.

I could be that crass. And I understand that you're not really fond of Chi-Chi as a character but don't throw in stupid-ass theories without credible sources to back them up. For me, arguing Chi-Chi looking down on Goku for being a fighter is as credible of an argument as Bulma looking down on Vegeta/Yamcha for being a fighter.

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Exactly, the whole point was to show that her character arc was about becoming more competent as the series goes; something I don't think we see in Kid Goku's arc. Oh and she wasn't even the main character in Season 4.

Goku loses to Jackie Chun, but Chun isn't a villain so he's not really a threat. Goku only lost to Tenshinhan because the car hit him, and Tenshinhan later championed him as the real winner of the fight.

Except that it isn't done well at all and it never seems like she has gotten used to beating around monsters in Daily Basis

We definitely see Goku grow throughout the series...he doesn't win the Tenkaichi Budokai 'till he's grown up in the last season where he beats Piccolo(I read some time ago a Critic thought this would have been the perfect end for the Dragon Ball series in general and I'm inclined to agree)
Unlike some other Saiyans(CoughGohanCough,CoughGotenCough) he had to train a lot to be strong
We see him train at the mountains early in the series,we see him train very hard under Master Roshi,we see him train hard under Korin and Kami etc. and even then he has trouble with the Big Villains and never wins the TB till the last season
We see him grow from a little boy to a man basically

No matter if Tenshinhan did or did not championed him as the real winner...Goku still lost the fight...I believe they were equally powerful at that point but I guess Ten thought Goku was stronger

EDIT:Why are the Dragonball Names Auto-Corrected to their Japanese Names? I just typed K-orin and it came out as "Karin"
WTF LOL

[Kid Buu]

Except I think it was handled well. She never really struggled against any MotW in S and after that.

Also, Goku has as many cheap power-up as Gohan and Goten doesn't have any. Tenshinhan beating Goku wasn't a clean victory anyway.

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Except I think it was handled well. She never really struggled against any MotW in S and after that.

Also, Goku has as many cheap power-up as Gohan and Goten doesn't have any. Tenshinhan beating Goku wasn't a clean victory anyway.

Then you need to watch better series...but I digress

No he didn't...he had to work for them a lot
Gohan trains for a year in Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he suddenly turns into a Super Saiyan...Goku and Vegeta had to go to much more trouble to become a Super Saiyan than this bland character...they had to wait for their balls to drop first

Don't get me started on Goten and Kid Trunks...Goten transforms into a Super Saiyan cuz he's mad at his own mother...that's so freaking stupid
And then Trunks transform into Super Saiyan cuz he's pissed off that Goten did it before him which is even more stupider and leaves Vegeta Baffled
And then there's Gotenks SS3 which is the stupidest of them all...no goddamn training whatsover just transforming to SS3 through sheer will...WOW just WOW...and Goku had to train for years to attain that transformation while he was dead

[thatdbzguy]

And he would have won easier of those worthless non-Gokus didn't get in the way.

Y'know, I'm curious, RG. If you ever got the chance to talk to Goku, what would you say to him?

[RandomGuy96]

That's almost as bullshit as kid Goku instantly learning a technique that took 50 years for Earth's greatest warrior to master, right? Or Goku in a few months mastering and IMPROVING a technique that even a high level god and the inventor of said technique couldn't. Or Goku suddenly and randomly getting huuuuuuuge boosts from near death boosts, even when he's not actually near death. Or...

Y'know, I'm curious, RG. If you ever got the chance to talk to Goku, what would you say to him?

Meh... I can't think of anything notable. He's not the DB character I'd most like to talk to.

[Kid Buu]

Except I think it was handled well. She never really struggled against any MotW in S and after that.

Also, Goku has as many cheap power-up as Gohan and Goten doesn't have any. Tenshinhan beating Goku wasn't a clean victory anyway.

Then you need to watch better series...but I digress

I'll be getting a degree in TV & Film Studies soon you know, I've analyzed plenty of media.

No he didn't...he had to work for them a lot
Gohan trains for a year in Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he suddenly turns into a Super Saiyan...Goku and Vegeta had to go to much more trouble to become a Super Saiyan than this bland character...they had to wait for their balls to drop first

Don't get me started on Goten and Kid Trunks...Goten transforms into a Super Saiyan cuz he's mad at his own mother...that's so freaking stupid
And then Trunks transform into Super Saiyan cuz he's pissed off that Goten did it before him which is even more stupider and leaves Vegeta Baffled
And then there's Gotenks SS3 which is the stupidest of them all...no goddamn training whatsover just transforming to SS3 through sheer will...WOW just WOW...and Goku had to train for years to attain that transformation while he was dead

Kid Goku was just as haxed as Kid Gohan and Kid Goten. Goten getting SSJ easily isn't any different from Goku getting Kamehameha easily when Roshi took 50 years to learn it. Not to mention Kuririn actually states that the only reason why Goku was always ahead of the humans in DB was because the near death power up.

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Except I think it was handled well. She never really struggled against any MotW in S and after that.

Also, Goku has as many cheap power-up as Gohan and Goten doesn't have any. Tenshinhan beating Goku wasn't a clean victory anyway.

Then you need to watch better series...but I digress

I'll be getting a degree in TV & Film Studies soon you know, I've analyzed plenty of media.

No he didn't...he had to work for them a lot
Gohan trains for a year in Hyperbolic Time Chamber and he suddenly turns into a Super Saiyan...Goku and Vegeta had to go to much more trouble to become a Super Saiyan than this bland character...they had to wait for their balls to drop first

Don't get me started on Goten and Kid Trunks...Goten transforms into a Super Saiyan cuz he's mad at his own mother...that's so freaking stupid
And then Trunks transform into Super Saiyan cuz he's pissed off that Goten did it before him which is even more stupider and leaves Vegeta Baffled
And then there's Gotenks SS3 which is the stupidest of them all...no goddamn training whatsover just transforming to SS3 through sheer will...WOW just WOW...and Goku had to train for years to attain that transformation while he was dead

Kid Goku was just as haxed as Kid Gohan and Kid Goten. Goten getting SSJ easily isn't any different from Goku getting Kamehameha easily when Roshi took 50 years to learn it. Not to mention Kuririn actually states that the only reason why Goku was always ahead of the humans in DB was because the near death power up.

The difference between learning Kamehameha and transforming to SSJ is huge
And Goku had yet to master the Kamehameha...at best it was a pale imitation at first

[Kid Buu]

I don't see what is different at all. Goku easily learns what Roshi took years to learn, Goten easily learns what Goku took years to learn. Not to mention the near death power up, the Sacred Water at Korins tower, and the fact that all his moves were stuff his teachers taught to him. Goku's just as cheap as his kids.