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I get what you mean by saying lower.RandomGuy96 wrote:SS Goten and SS Trunks are quite strong, at least as strong as Cell Juniors if not stronger, and SS Broly was beating the crap out of them. I think LSS's multiplier is only x2 off of normal Super Saiyan. Or lower.
But in all seriousness I'd say it be quite a bit higher only make sense.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I'd put this down to inconsistency due to Videl but since we're In-Universe I'll have to agree to a point.SS Goten and SS Trunks are quite strong, at least as strong as Cell Juniors if not stronger, and SS Broly was beating the crap out of them. I think LSS's multiplier is only x2 off of normal Super Saiyan. Or lower.
He doesn't do 1 thing that shows he has any intelligence over 3 movies. I'd put it down to his creator. There's no explanation for a 10,000 power level barrier defending against Frieza's SuperNova, that's over 53x stronger than himself, when the same sort of barrier gets smashes to pieces against the Bros Kamehameha which would be nowhere near that much.I don't think Broly's an idiot (maybe Some side effects from mind control), hes just more stupid in power. he thinks he so strong he can just tanks their hits, and he does.
Gohan seemed to match Broly almost in power without training in his normal state against SSJ Broly, So I mean if Gohan>SSJBroly then SSJ2Gohan>>>>>SSJ Broly but Broly LSSJ>>>>GohanSSJ2 , What?RandomGuy96 wrote:Why? It never seemed that special. Broly clearly outmatched the gang as just a SS in M8, making LSS itself fairly redundant, and M10 Broly only felt the need to use LSS after Gohan went SS2, and even then, he couldn't just one-shot Gohan.
chaospunishment wrote:
He doesn't do 1 thing that shows he has any intelligence over 3 movies. I'd put it down to his creator. There's no explanation for a 10,000 power level barrier defending against Freeza's SuperNova, that's over 53x stronger than himself, when the same sort of barrier gets smashes to pieces against the Bros Kamehameha which would be nowhere near that much.
That's obvious Toei base saiyan inconsistency. Base Gohan is not stronger than SS Goten or Trunks, he isn't even stronger than Freeza. He also didn't really match Broly; he lasted way longer than he should have, but he didn't get in a hit or anything.AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Gohan seemed to match Broly almost in power without training in his normal state against SSJ Broly, So I mean if Gohan>SSJBroly then SSJ2Gohan>>>>>SSJ Broly but Broly LSSJ>>>>GohanSSJ2 , What?RandomGuy96 wrote:Why? It never seemed that special. Broly clearly outmatched the gang as just a SS in M8, making LSS itself fairly redundant, and M10 Broly only felt the need to use LSS after Gohan went SS2, and even then, he couldn't just one-shot Gohan.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Yeah, I agree with that listing.Gohan shouldn't have lasted as long as he did especially against a SSJ. No ones base is near Freeza, isn't BoG Goku's base at Freeza's full power?...RandomGuy96 wrote:
That's obvious Toei base saiyan inconsistency. Base Gohan is not stronger than SS Goten or Trunks, he isn't even stronger than Freeza. He also didn't really match Broly; he lasted way longer than he should have, but he didn't get in a hit or anything.
LSS Broly (M10) > SS2 Gohan (teen) > SS Broly (M10) > SS Gohan (teen) > SS Trunks >= SS Goten = or > Cell Juniors
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Broly doesn't start transforming from SS to LSS until after Vegeta attacks him...chaospunishment wrote:While transforming... Goku blocked a hit from Final Form Cooler too. Was he stronger than him in base?His SS form was enough to tank hits from SS Vegeta like they were nothing. And I'm pretty sure Vegeta is stronger than Videl...
Base Goku fought off broly easy.
When? He is a mindless idiot. He doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to know what holding back is.Goten being there shouldn't mean that Broly wasn't holding back. He toyed with Goku in movie 8. Yeah he really seems to hate him but it seems like a lot of his odd behavior was just him having to not fight Goku, as soon as he transforms to LSS hes just a typical "I'm gonna kill you all" kind of villain
He tried to attack Goku while he was sleeping. So you think he's not holding back any other time?
I don't think it was very clear. It also seems to just be a movie inconsistency since don't the dragon balls fly away? I think Goku was there but he wasn't brought back to life, just brought there for a short time. And he could of just been SS because he figured that was enough and wanted the boys to work for it (which fits with his whole wanting others to save the world thing). Plus didn't SS2 Goku not appear yet?RandomGuy96 wrote:SS Goten and SS Trunks are quite strong, at least as strong as Cell Juniors if not stronger, and SS Broly was beating the crap out of them. I think LSS's multiplier is only x2 off of normal Super Saiyan. Or lower.
Goku was only there in spirit. He wasn't physically there firing a Kamehameha; the scene makes that pretty clear. He just shows up on Earth immediately, there's no dragon, the rules of the dragon balls say he can't be wished back at this point, and he only uses SS, even though this being the early Buu Saga he should just be able to go SS2 or SS3 and fire a Kamehameha to back up the boys' and insta-kill Broly.I always figured the family Kamehameha was Gohan, Goten, and Goku plus the weird interference from Trunks.
I think that the Family Kamehameha was initially a weakened SS Gohan + SS Goten, which Broly's Omega Blaster handled easily. However, after Goku showed up to give his pep talk, both put out all their power, and Gohan transformed into a SS2. So then it was SS2 Gohan + SS Goten, together packing a power roughly equivalent to enraged SS2 Gohan at the Cell Games. Trunks briefly distracts Broly as a counterpart to Vegeta, and by temporarily dropping his guard for a sec his attack is overtaken by the Kamehameha which then insta-kills him as a counterpart to Cell.
I don't think it was very clear. It also seems to just be a movie inconsistency since don't the dragon balls fly away? I think Goku was there but he wasn't brought back to life (and for whatever reason doesn't have a halo), just brought there for a short time. And he could of just been SS because he figured that was enough and wanted the boys to work for it (which fits with his whole wanting others to save the world thing). Plus didn't SS2 Goku not appear yetdario03 wrote:Broly doesn't start transforming from SS to LSS until after Vegeta attacks him...chaospunishment wrote:While transforming... Goku blocked a hit from Final Form Cooler too. Was he stronger than him in base?His SS form was enough to tank hits from SS Vegeta like they were nothing. And I'm pretty sure Vegeta is stronger than Videl...
Base Goku fought off broly easy.
When? He is a mindless idiot. He doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to know what holding back is.Goten being there shouldn't mean that Broly wasn't holding back. He toyed with Goku in movie 8. Yeah he really seems to hate him but it seems like a lot of his odd behavior was just him having to not fight Goku, as soon as he transforms to LSS hes just a typical "I'm gonna kill you all" kind of villain
He tried to attack Goku while he was sleeping. So you think he's not holding back any other time?
And I think Broly was holding back being surpressed throughout the movie, he was toying with everybody the entire time between transforming into LSS and Goku getting all the power from everybody. He easily puts everybody down but doesn't go for any kill shots (except maybe that beam he shoots at Gohan that Piccolo stops), and once he puts someone down he basically just stands there and screams or laughs or moves on to someone else.
RandomGuy96 wrote:SS Goten and SS Trunks are quite strong, at least as strong as Cell Juniors if not stronger, and SS Broly was beating the crap out of them. I think LSS's multiplier is only x2 off of normal Super Saiyan. Or lower.
Goku was only there in spirit. He wasn't physically there firing a Kamehameha; the scene makes that pretty clear. He just shows up on Earth immediately, there's no dragon, the rules of the dragon balls say he can't be wished back at this point, and he only uses SS, even though this being the early Buu Saga he should just be able to go SS2 or SS3 and fire a Kamehameha to back up the boys' and insta-kill Broly.I always figured the family Kamehameha was Gohan, Goten, and Goku plus the weird interference from Trunks.
I think that the Family Kamehameha was initially a weakened SS Gohan + SS Goten, which Broly's Omega Blaster handled easily. However, after Goku showed up to give his pep talk, both put out all their power, and Gohan transformed into a SS2. So then it was SS2 Gohan + SS Goten, together packing a power roughly equivalent to enraged SS2 Gohan at the Cell Games. Trunks briefly distracts Broly as a counterpart to Vegeta, and by temporarily dropping his guard for a sec his attack is overtaken by the Kamehameha which then insta-kills him as a counterpart to Cell.
Seems right, only reason I put broly at higher power is IF he survived movie 10. Which the video games say he achieved LSSJ3 by surviving the family kamehameha.Gogeta8001 wrote:Movie 8: Equal to FP Perfect Cell
Movie 10: Stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan but weaker than SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Majin Vegeta since Goku thought he an Paikuhan (who's not even SSJ2 tier) could take him in M11
Movie 11: Has to be weaker than his M8 self if SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks could almost rival him.
Buutenks >> 8x Fat BuuAGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Seems right, only reason I put broly at higher power is IF he survived movie 10. Which the video games say he achieved LSSJ3 by surviving the family kamehameha.Gogeta8001 wrote:Movie 8: Equal to FP Perfect Cell
Movie 10: Stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan but weaker than SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Majin Vegeta since Goku thought he an Paikuhan (who's not even SSJ2 tier) could take him in M11
Movie 11: Has to be weaker than his M8 self if SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks could almost rival him.
So IMO, What if broly LSSJ<\=Fat buu
LSSJ3 Broly<\= buutenks
Maybe LSSJ3 be stronger idk, but for regular old Broly the strongest he gets is SSJ2 Goku.
Buu's really the only character that I don't have great knowledge about his power, so what's half of buutenks? Super buu? Or less than that.xmysticgohanx wrote: Buutenks >> 8x Fat Buu
Yeah but I don't take any of the DBZ Games seriously. Otherwise, you would end up with something like SSJ Gogeta ~ LSSJ Broly which we all know is ridiculous and absurd.AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Seems right, only reason I put broly at higher power is IF he survived movie 10. Which the video games say he achieved LSSJ3 by surviving the family kamehameha.Gogeta8001 wrote:Movie 8: Equal to FP Perfect Cell
Movie 10: Stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan but weaker than SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Majin Vegeta since Goku thought he an Paikuhan (who's not even SSJ2 tier) could take him in M11
Movie 11: Has to be weaker than his M8 self if SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks could almost rival him.
So IMO, What if broly LSSJ<\=Fat buu
LSSJ3 Broly<\= buutenks
Maybe LSSJ3 be stronger idk, but for regular old Broly the strongest he gets is SSJ2 Goku.
I have Super Buu half of Buutenks because I have Buutenks simply being SSJ3 Gotenks + Super Buu with no multiplier whatsoever. (the Namekian is too weak to matter).AGentlemanSaiyan wrote:Buu's really the only character that I don't have great knowledge about his power, so what's half of buutenks? Super buu? Or less than that.xmysticgohanx wrote: Buutenks >> 8x Fat Buu
Depends on how much of a boost you have the ROSaT giving the boys but I personally have SSJ Gotenks >> LSSJ3 Broly > Fat BuuGogeta8001 wrote: Hypotheticaly speaking, I can see LSSJ3 Broly being stronger than SSJ Gotenks @ the Lookout
