Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:06 am

90sDBZ wrote:Here's an idea. What if Piccolo lied to Vegeta so that his sacrifice would be a truly selfless sacrifice and he'd have a shot at keeping his body?
Lol that's sorta what happend in my head cannon.

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by Marco Polo » Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:27 am

90sDBZ wrote:Here's an idea. What if Piccolo lied to Vegeta so that his sacrifice would be a truly selfless sacrifice and he'd have a shot at keeping his body?
Why?

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:00 am

Marco Polo wrote:
90sDBZ wrote:Here's an idea. What if Piccolo lied to Vegeta so that his sacrifice would be a truly selfless sacrifice and he'd have a shot at keeping his body?
Why?
I don't get this post... The answer to it is in the post you quoted...

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by hleV » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:17 am

Since when are we dealing with what ifs that have no basis whatsoever?

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:01 am

hleV wrote:Since when are we dealing with what ifs that have no basis whatsoever?
Welcome to any dragon ball forum ever.

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by Marco Polo » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:10 am

White Oni wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:
90sDBZ wrote:Here's an idea. What if Piccolo lied to Vegeta so that his sacrifice would be a truly selfless sacrifice and he'd have a shot at keeping his body?
Why?
I don't get this post... The answer to it is in the post you quoted...
1/ How could his sacrifice not have been a selfless sacrifice? Piccolo's statement has no bearing on the nature of his act. 2/ King Yemma kept Vegeta's body to send him fight Buu. The nature of his sacrifice has no bearing on that.

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by 90sDBZ » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:04 pm

Marco Polo wrote: 1/ How could his sacrifice not have been a selfless sacrifice? Piccolo's statement has no bearing on the nature of his act. 2/ King Yemma kept Vegeta's body to send him fight Buu. The nature of his sacrifice has no bearing on that.
1. There's a world of difference between Vegeta going to his death believing he'll get to keep his body and fight Goku again in the afterlife and Vegeta going to his death knowing it's truly the end. Because of what Piccolo said he believes it to be the latter which makes his sacrifice all the more heroic and noble without the ulterior motive of fighting Goku again.

2. True but we don't know for sure what would have happened later had Vegeta not been needed. Maybe Yemma would have given him his body back anyway. After all it's not like he had time to reconstruct Vegeta's body earlier because he had his hands full dealing with all of Buu's dead victims. It's interesting to note that there's no mention of Vegeta ever being sent to Hell. Maybe his sacrifice was enough to keep him out of there.

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by hleV » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:14 pm

White Oni wrote:
hleV wrote:Since when are we dealing with what ifs that have no basis whatsoever?
Welcome to any dragon ball forum ever.
There's a difference between discussing what could've happened and applying a what if into a discussion about what actually happened. And that's not what we commonly do in this forum.

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:10 pm

Marco Polo wrote: 1/ How could his sacrifice not have been a selfless sacrifice? Piccolo's statement has no bearing on the nature of his act. 2/ King Yemma kept Vegeta's body to send him fight Buu. The nature of his sacrifice has no bearing on that.
Vegeta asked if he'd go to heaven.

Piccolo says no.

Vegeta STILL decides to sacrifice himself.

Scenerio 2

Vegeta asks

Piccolo says yes.

Suddenly, the sacrifice is A LOT easier to make.

We don't know that at all.

Part of the reason he could have kept him around could be due to the fact that his sacrifice pushed him more towards the alignment of good. (actually it's hard to argue)

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by White Oni » Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:13 pm

hleV wrote:
White Oni wrote:
hleV wrote:Since when are we dealing with what ifs that have no basis whatsoever?
Welcome to any dragon ball forum ever.
There's a difference between discussing what could've happened and applying a what if into a discussion about what actually happened. And that's not what we commonly do in this forum.
A thread posted just yesterday.

"Why did Goku hide his ssj3?"

You are seriously telling me this sort of discussion is foreign to you?

Other ones that come to mind.

A thread from another day: "Why didn't they use the mafuba on buu?"

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by FrogTrigger » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:31 am

White Oni wrote:
90sDBZ wrote:Here's an idea. What if Piccolo lied to Vegeta so that his sacrifice would be a truly selfless sacrifice and he'd have a shot at keeping his body?
Lol that's sorta what happend in my head cannon.
I kinda like this, Piccolo trolling for the soul

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Re: Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

Post by hleV » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:34 am

White Oni wrote:
hleV wrote: There's a difference between discussing what could've happened and applying a what if into a discussion about what actually happened. And that's not what we commonly do in this forum.
A thread posted just yesterday.

"Why did Goku hide his ssj3?"

You are seriously telling me this sort of discussion is foreign to you?

Other ones that come to mind.

A thread from another day: "Why didn't they use the mafuba on buu?"
... What does such threads have to do with anything? Have you missed my point entirely?

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