Does Vegeta get to go to Heaven now?

[The Tori-bot]

Before he sacrifices himself against Buu, Vegeta asks Piccolo if he will see Goku in the next world. Piccolo says no, he has slain too many innocents, and when he dies he'll be soul-cleansed and reincarnated (and he should know - he used to be God). Would this still apply, say, at the end of the manga, or in GT? After all, during the final fight with Buu he's resurrected along with everyone else who isn't a "bad guy". Did his actions during the battle with Buu finally get him a pass? Would he be able to board the plane to Heaven or keep his body and train in the afterlife? Or is he still fated to be de-Vegetafied and reborn as a cow or whatever?

This is probably more of an opinion-based question, since I don't think any guidebooks or interviews give an answer on this. Do you think Vegeta earned a get-out-of-Hell-free card after Enma gave him his body back and he helped to save the universe, then (we can assume) spent the rest of his life not being so much of a dickbag? I'd say no. Despite the romanticism of the alternative, my gut tells me the same fate awaits him as before. He still did a lot of evil things, and murdered helpless innocents. To quote a Star Wars book I can't remember the name of, "one good deed does not redeem oneself from a lifetime of atrocities". Though you never know, they do seem pretty chill up in the afterlife. Maybe, if Enma's having a good day...

[White Oni]

I don't think piccolo was right, vegeta clearly wasn't wiped from existence.

The thing that makes me think this most is the fact that vegeta says that he saw everything that was happening from the otherworld.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't think piccolo was right, vegeta clearly wasn't wiped from existence.

The thing that makes me think this most is the fact that vegeta says that he saw everything that was happening from the otherworld.

Vegeta saw everything because, as he and Enma Daio told us, Enma specifically kept him around as a backup plan to help out against Buu. Had Enma not done that, Vegeta probably would have been sent to Hell as a soul without a body. The reincarnation and stuff typically takes a while. The eviler you are, the faster it is completed though.

To answer the opening question though: no. At least not yet.

I think Vegeta is good by the time the final battle takes place, hence why Porunga deems him a good guy; because that's his current alignment. So he had started on the path to atonement, with his sacrifice against Innocent Buu and putting his life on the line against Pure Buu being pretty big steps in the right direction. But after everything he had done beforehand, including killing innocents at the Tenka'ichi Budokai shortly before that resurrection, he still had too much negative karma to make up for.

If you want to add things like Battle of Gods, GT or any other possible future content in, where Vegeta continues to put his life on the line and fight to protect the Earth and the universe, then he might balance out by the time he dies for good.

[B]

I like the idea that he's condemned to Hell, because that way, he has no incentive to be a better person unless that's what he truly wants. It's completely and utterly his choice.

[White Oni]

I don't think piccolo was right, vegeta clearly wasn't wiped from existence.

The thing that makes me think this most is the fact that vegeta says that he saw everything that was happening from the otherworld.

Vegeta saw everything because, as he and Enma Daio told us, Enma specifically kept him around as a backup plan to help out against Buu. Had Enma not done that, Vegeta probably would have been sent to Hell as a soul without a body. The reincarnation and stuff typically takes a while. The eviler you are, the faster it is completed though.

To answer the opening question though: no. At least not yet.

I think Vegeta is good by the time the final battle takes place, hence why Porunga deems him a good guy; because that's his current alignment. So he had started on the path to atonement, with his sacrifice against Innocent Buu and putting his life on the line against Pure Buu being pretty big steps in the right direction. But after everything he had done beforehand, including killing innocents at the Tenka'ichi Budokai shortly before that resurrection, he still had too much negative karma to make up for.

If you want to add things like Battle of Gods, GT or any other possible future content in, where Vegeta continues to put his life on the line and fight to protect the Earth and the universe, then he might balance out by the time he dies for good.

Oh wow I totally forgot about that.

Well the odd thing is, vegeta didn't seem to change much from the time of his death to when he was brought back by the dragon.

In fact, he does some negative things from the point when he's brought back to fight Buu and when he is resurrected.
He risks the date of earth by breaking the patara earring...

If anything he got worse... Lol so I think he was classified as a good guy already when he was brought back to fight Buu.


What I'm wondering is whether good people in general go to heaven. Because it losers sounds like goku only kept his body and went to heaven, because of his hero status.

Also, it's important to note that hell doesn't exist in the manga.

[Dbzfan94]

Before he sacrifices himself against Buu, Vegeta asks Piccolo if he will see Goku in the next world. Piccolo says no, he has slain too many innocents, and when he dies he'll be soul-cleansed and reincarnated (and he should know - he used to be God). Would this still apply, say, at the end of the manga, or in GT? After all, during the final fight with Buu he's resurrected along with everyone else who isn't a "bad guy". Did his actions during the battle with Buu finally get him a pass? Would he be able to board the plane to Heaven or keep his body and train in the afterlife? Or is he still fated to be de-Vegetafied and reborn as a cow or whatever?

This is probably more of an opinion-based question, since I don't think any guidebooks or interviews give an answer on this. Do you think Vegeta earned a get-out-of-Hell-free card after Enma gave him his body back and he helped to save the universe, then (we can assume) spent the rest of his life not being so much of a dickbag? I'd say no. Despite the romanticism of the alternative, my gut tells me the same fate awaits him as before. He still did a lot of evil things, and murdered helpless innocents. To quote a Star Wars book I can't remember the name of, "one good deed does not redeem oneself from a lifetime of atrocities". Though you never know, they do seem pretty chill up in the afterlife. Maybe, if Enma's having a good day...

Well if Piccolo repented not too long after being the self-proclaimed Demon King, and he kept his body when he died, I think Vegeta would to

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well the odd thing is, vegeta didn't seem to change much from the time of his death to when he was brought back by the dragon.

In fact, he does some negative things from the point when he's brought back to fight Buu and when he is resurrected.
He risks the date of earth by breaking the patara earring...

If anything he got worse... Lol so I think he was classified as a good guy already when he was brought back to fight Buu.


What I'm wondering is whether good people in general go to heaven. Because it losers sounds like goku only kept his body and went to heaven, because of his hero status.

Also, it's important to note that hell doesn't exist in the manga.

I don't think Vegeta actually changed until the Vegetto portion of the show. The moment Goku made him concede to fusing by convincing him that he actually cared about Trunks and Bluma got the ball rolling. Before that moment, he was still being a selfish douchebag that was more upset about Goku holding back SS3 than everything else going on. After becoming Vegetto, I think he had an actual revelation (which led to him understanding Goku and even admitting that he was #1). Of course, it's not a huge change, It's not like he's suddenly going to become a boy scout and start acting like Superman or something. His moral compass is just pointing in the right direction now. He may still be doing things that seem contradictory, like destroying the Potara, but he's is technically doing the right thing too. He's still standing up to defend the universe. Both him and Goku just want to do it their own way instead.

Yes, we know regular good souls go to heaven and Hell does exist in the manga. Though it's never shown, we are told bad guys get sent there and that Goku would end up there if he fell of the Serpent Road. Not being shown does not mean it doesn't exist.

[Marco Polo]

Porunga reviving him and the Super Saiyan God summoning ceremony prove that Vegeta is now a good guy. Piccolo kept his body when he died despite his evil past. In the DB series, you can redeem your sins.

[FoolsGil]

He's committed a lot of genocide before joining the Z fighters. Even if he's now a good guy, he has to atone for his past evils.

[Zephyr]

The guy had to become one with Goku and admit that Goku is flat out better than him. In Vegeta's mind, that has to be worse than any Hell Enma could throw him into.

Atonement at its finest.

[Hellspawn28]

Porunga reviving him and the Super Saiyan God summoning ceremony prove that Vegeta is now a good guy. Piccolo kept his body when he died despite his evil past. In the DB series, you can redeem your sins.

Piccolo didn't live a long life when he was killed by Nappa and he kept his body so he can train with King Kai. If it wasn't for that, he would have been sent to Hell.

[hleV]

Porunga reviving him and the Super Saiyan God summoning ceremony prove that Vegeta is now a good guy.

The same way Enma Daio not sending Vegeta to hell proves that Vegeta was a good guy? Vegeta is able to help the universe, that's the only reason he's kept around. He's not a good guy.

[RandomGuy96]

Nah. He's killed more people than Mao, Stalin, and Hitler combined, indirectly doomed the universe twice, is prone to going on random killing sprees for no reason, and showed no repentance for any of his evil deeds. He's going straight to Hell, and he can't do anything to ever avoid that fate.

[White Oni]

Nah. He's killed more people than Mao, Stalin, and Hitler combined, indirectly doomed the universe twice, is prone to going on random killing sprees for no reason, and showed no repentance for any of his evil deeds. He's going straight to Hell, and he can't do anything to ever avoid that fate.

Woah! Dark.

Anyways, back to how things work in the DB universe.

Piccolo also caused a lot of hell and spent most of his life trying to rule the planet and overrun it with demons...

But he gained the "good guy" status and not only was he not sent to hell he received a high honor and kept his body...

Then there's the fact that kinda rules out all thought of him going to hell, the fact that he is proclaimed a "good guy" when parunga revives him.

So yeah, maybe he won't keep his body, though I think he will, but it's pretty obvious he won't be sent to hell.

Final nail in the coffin being the fact that before he sacrificed himself, piccolo told him he wasn't going to hell but was simply going to be wiped from existence. So yeah... No hell fo you vegeta.

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo didn't go to Hell because his father did that, not him. All he did was try to kill Goku. Plus, Daimao was already reincarnated, making Hell redundant.

The wish was just excluding the REALLY bad people. Vegeta was helping Goku at the time, so I guess Porunga was generous enough to include him.

As has been explained, that was solely because Emna wanted him as back up against Fat and Super Buu, which Vegeta scoffed at, because he would be no help. And hell, even after being extended that mercy, he STILL was going to let the universe get destroyed because he's a whining bitch, and later put the universe at risk AGAIN for kicks.

If this guy doesn't go to Hell and get reincarnated, something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the universe's standards. He is by far one of the worst people to ever exist in the DBU, rivaled only by other top Freeza minions, and exceeded only by guys like Freeza and Buu. Daimao's got nothing on this guy and he's pure evil.

[White Oni]

Piccolo didn't go to Hell because his father did that, not him. All he did was try to kill Goku. Plus, Daimao was already reincarnated, making Hell redundant.

The wish was just excluding the REALLY bad people. Vegeta was helping Goku at the time, so I guess Porunga was generous enough to include him.

As has been explained, that was solely because Emna wanted him as back up against Fat and Super Buu, which Vegeta scoffed at, because he would be no help. And hell, even after being extended that mercy, he STILL was going to let the universe get destroyed because he's a whining bitch, and later put the universe at risk AGAIN for kicks.

If this guy doesn't go to Hell and get reincarnated, something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the universe's standards. He is by far one of the worst people to ever exist in the DBU, rivaled only by other top Freeza minions, and exceeded only by guys like Freeza and Buu. Daimao's got nothing on this guy and he's pure evil.

Wait, so those who go to hell get reincarnated? Then... what's the point of hell? lol

At any rate, this discussion is REALLY going to be skewed by your view on morality, salvation, and person judgment..

My personal system of belief is really close to that of C.S. Lewis who'd probably argue that Vegeta, a man who suffered through unimaginable psychological trauma and corruption, can't be judged the same way as Goku, who lived a relatively simple and harmonious life.

He might even say that Vegeta's a better man than Goku because in the end, his intentions and the condition of his heart are just as pure, if not more pure, than Goku's. Considering the trials and "Psychological material" he was dealt, this equality of intention and heart state means that Vegeta was more virtuous man than Goku.

Then there are those who don't consider intention, trials, "psychological material", and the condition of one's heart as important as one's actions, or rather, the result of one's actions. A rich billionaire who wants to kill his father more than anything but chooses not too because he enjoys, too much, the wealth he provides him, is less "evil" than a poor man who was beat to near death by his father on a daily basis, and in the heat of a moment, killed him.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I kind of like the idea that Vegeta would be judged to going to Hell despite becoming pure hearted (that is not up for contest, is it?); but is that really the case? Or do people who are pure-hearted are automatically spared from being sent to Hell? I mean, what's the point if they have no evil to be cleansed of?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He is a good guy at the moment, and he does good things now, but he can't erase his past crimes, and these were far too many. But maybe Kaio or the Kaioshin may pull some strings, and give Vegeta a body and send him to Heaven.

[hleV]

I kind of like the idea that Vegeta would be judged to going to Hell despite becoming pure hearted (that is not up for contest, is it?); but is that really the case? Or do people who are pure-hearted are automatically spared from being sent to Hell? I mean, what's the point if they have no evil to be cleansed of?

Vegeta is not pure-hearted.

[Marco Polo]

I kind of like the idea that Vegeta would be judged to going to Hell despite becoming pure hearted (that is not up for contest, is it?); but is that really the case? Or do people who are pure-hearted are automatically spared from being sent to Hell? I mean, what's the point if they have no evil to be cleansed of?

Vegeta is not pure-hearted.

You are incorrect. See Battle of Gods.