Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by Jackal puFF » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:09 pm

I actually really like this movie. It was nice seeing #18, Mr. Satan and Krillin kick it with Goten and Trunks. Good balance of humor mixed in there.

Really thought all the fights in this movie were handled pretty well, great choreography I have to say definitely better than in some movies. The way they took down Broly was kind of lame though.

My least favorite is Lord Slug/Movie 4. :sick: This movie is pretty re-watchable when compared. Oh and music in this one is pretty good compared to the other Broly movies.

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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:28 pm

Fucking hate it. Not only was Broly absolutely beaten into the ground at that point (I can barely tolerate Movie 10 as it is), but it was basically every cheesy sci-fi horror movie stuffed into one package but with the Dragon Ball setting and characters.
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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by Kuwabara » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:34 pm

I think Battle of Gods, Episode of Bardock, Movie 3, Movie 4, and Movie 8 are all worse. That isn't to say Movie 11 is a good movie either, it's terrible, but it does have cool cuts here and there featuring characters you don't normally see in action, and the premise is good (no Goku).
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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:16 pm

Yes. Yes, it is. It's the worst thing TOEI has ever shat out.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:24 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Yes. Yes, it is. It's the worst thing TOEI has ever shat out.
Toei didn't animate the Yugioh series everyone knows about. Only the original and the movie

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:41 pm

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:Yes. Yes, it is. It's the worst thing TOEI has ever shat out.
Toei didn't animate the Yugioh series everyone knows about. Only the original and the movie
IMdB doesn't have data on the original series separate from Duel Monsters.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:45 pm

Well, I'm glad you agree that Sailor Stars was the wost season. I'm as big of a Sailor Moon fanatic as they come, but I can't even sit through that one too often. Not only were the majority of the plot points rehashed, but there was way too much focus on character such I didn't care for, such as the Starlights.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:40 am

Toei also made some non-anime stuff that is worst then Bio Broli. The live action Devilman movie and Kamen Rider Decade are worst. Avoid them at all cost!
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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by garnetjester » Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:21 am

I love the kids, so I'm ok with movie 11 even though it's not one of my favorites. On the other hand, I could barely watch Metal Coolers or Super android 13 because the plots were so tired and unoriginal, even by DB standards, I was bored out of my mind with them.
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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by ParkerAL » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:24 pm

Not a fan of Broly in general, but I have to agree that Bio-Broly is a cut below his other two films, which weren't exactly that great to begin with, mind you. The decent animation and choreography behind the movie cannot save it from a ludicrous concept.. Why does a clone of Broly retain the old Broly's memories? Memories aren't genetic! Then he transforms into a mix of Swamp Thing and Muk from Pokemon, giving us an even less dignified version of an already ridiculous character. I don't think its unenjoyable to watch, however. It's entertaining when you break it down to its individual parts. Just don't expect me to treat it the least bit seriously. 8)
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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by Careless Saiyajin » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:20 pm

ParkerAL wrote:Not a fan of Broly in general, but I have to agree that Bio-Broly is a cut below his other two films, which weren't exactly that great to begin with, mind you. The decent animation and choreography behind the movie cannot save it from a ludicrous concept.. Why does a clone of Broly retain the old Broly's memories? Memories aren't genetic! Then he transforms into a mix of Swamp Thing and Muk from Pokemon, giving us an even less dignified version of an already ridiculous character. I don't think its unenjoyable to watch, however. It's entertaining when you break it down to its individual parts. Just don't expect me to treat it the least bit seriously. 8)

I like the ending of your post, "It's entertaining"-"just don't expect me to treat it the least bit seriously". I feel that those words captured my feelings on the subject. We take the movie with a grain of salt, it's not one of the best movies, it's even ridiculous to be honest, however that's not to say that there is no entertainment value to be had here. Very well iterated my friend. :thumbup:

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:46 am

How can anyone find Movie 11 better then BOG is beyond me. I respect people's opinions, but least BOG was something fresh and new. Movie 11 was crap at it's finest in my opinion. It's like saying Star Trek: Insurrection is the best Star Trek movie, Die Another Day is better then Dr. No or Alien: Resurrection is the best Alien movie in the series.
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Post by Blade » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:16 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Star Trek: Insurrection is the best Star Trek movie
Kinda off topic, but I don't think that Insurrection is that bad - it's just not feature film material. It would have been better suited as a two part TV episode of the Next Generation. :D
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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by Careless Saiyajin » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:05 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:How can anyone find Movie 11 better then BOG is beyond me. I respect people's opinions, but least BOG was something fresh and new. Movie 11 was crap at it's finest in my opinion. It's like saying Star Trek: Insurrection is the best Star Trek movie, Die Another Day is better then Dr. No or Alien: Resurrection is the best Alien movie in the series.
I truly enjoyed Battle of Gods. The movie actually had an impact on bringing something new to the table, personally BOG. is one of my favorite DBZ films, it gave me what I wanted by expanding the story and with setting the universes up my imagination has been captured.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:58 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:How can anyone find Movie 11 better then BOG is beyond me. I respect people's opinions, but least BOG was something fresh and new. Movie 11 was crap at it's finest in my opinion. It's like saying Star Trek: Insurrection is the best Star Trek movie, Die Another Day is better then Dr. No or Alien: Resurrection is the best Alien movie in the series.
Because BoG was garbage in some people eyes? Same how Movie 11 is garbage in your eyes. I found myself more enjoyed watching movie 11 over BoG

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Re: Is DBZ Movie 11 (w/ Bio-Broli) the worst DBZ movie ever?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:34 pm

To be honest i dont feel like any DBZ movie is bad.
But if I had to choose the worst probably would be Lord Slug.

About BoG, you gotta love humanity.
They bitch about bringing the series back, they have a great new movie and then say it sucks and for the staff leave the series alone.
Funnier are these comments "I didnt like the movie when I watched it in japanese, but now that I saw dubbed in my language i feel its awesome. Best movie ever." Incredible eh. :wink:
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:42 pm

About BoG, you gotta love humanity.
They bitch about bringing the series back, they have a great new movie and then say it sucks and for the staff leave the series alone.
I never said bring the series back so that doesn't imply to me. I was find with how it ended.

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:11 am

It's hard for me to not employ at least a little bit of bias, given that it's kinda-sorta Goten's movie, but aside from that I've always found that Movie 11 gets a little too much flack. I enjoy its differences from most other movies, such as putting Goku in a non-role and letting other characters step up and be important. The plot is a good vehicle for Goten, Trunks and the others without being something completely out of their league (like, say, the reality-bending, dimension-warping Janemba), and it highlights real friendship and teamwork for the half-pints rather than invoking the cliche of turning them into fusion fodder.


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Post by SsjRavi » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:54 pm

I liked the movie, definitely not one of my favourites but as many have said the interaction between 18, Mr Satan, Goten and Trunks was enjoyable.
In my opinion Lord Slug is the worst movie, it was just boring to watch.
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Post by Attitudefan » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:30 am

The problem I have with this film is Goten and Trunks. I am just not fans of these guys, at all. Those kids just force a huge wave of bias over me. I mean, if a plot heavily involves them, I am probably not going to like it.

That's the problem with this film. It wants to be serious, but then it doesn't. Bio-Broly doesn't know what it wants to be. Is it Dragonball? Is it comedy? Is it sci-fi? Is it horror?

I think the film wouldn't be so bad if it had more of a grasp on its theme and tone. It is kind of all over the place there. The protagonists are not good protagonists since we can't take them seriously with this supposed very serious threat, Broly. There are peeing scenes, them goofing off etc. Yett, here is Broly: unstoppable, deadly, a horrific murderer, a monster, and he seemingly can never die.

So what is the audience supposed to feel? I think this is the reason people hate it. Because their feelings are confused, the audience is not fully immersed into the story.


But I've only watched it once or twice many years ago along with the other Broly films.

The worst films in the franchise would be the second Broly film, Bio-Broly, the Cyborg 13 movie, Bojack, and Slug.

The best would be DBZ 1-3, 12, 13, and probably Dragonball movie 3. Honourable mention to Bardock: Father of Goku (since it isn't really an official film but an OVA).
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