Dbzfan94 wrote:*sigh* Once again, the DBZ character is unfairly nerfed and the other character isn't.
The bias is really showing with this one.
Are you a Kirby expert?
What is the "nerf" that's happening? What is this clear showcase of bias?
To be fair sir, I think he may be referencing the link above in which it was assumed that Majin Boo only has the power to destroy cities.
I believe it is in the opinion of most people here that Majin Boo at the very least possesses planet busting capabilities. I wouldn't go as far
as to say that there is bias against Dragon Ball, but at the very least I think I can understand where he's coming from.
Dbzfan94 wrote:*sigh* Once again, the DBZ character is unfairly nerfed and the other character isn't.
The bias is really showing with this one.
Are you a Kirby expert?
What is the "nerf" that's happening? What is this clear showcase of bias?
No I am not a Kirby expert. The "nerf" I'm speaking of is claiming Buu is city busting level at best. Nothing about planet busting which he is clearly able to do. they mentioned Fighter Kirby and his feats, why not Buu?
Also, it seems they're using Mr. Buu (post Evil Buu split). He was nerfed in his own show, and that's the version they're using, thus the nerf.
My thing is, unless kirby manages to absorb and gain Boo's strength, I don't see how he can produce anything powerful enough to fully incinerate every particle of the Jolly Pink Giant.
Admittedly a side from Smash Bros. the only game I played with Kirby in it was Crystal Shards for N64. As bad ass as that game is the most I can gather is that if you stretched his abilities to complete maximum Kirby could only destroy like a City Block or something doe to a chain reaction I guess. But thats just one game so...
Honestly I don't know how Death Battle comes up with some of their matches. I mean who has actually sat there and debated on whether or not freakin Kirby could beat Majin Boo? (I mean beside what we're doing at this very moment LOL. Y'all know what I mean.)
At the end of the day like I said earlier, all Death Battle really is, is just glorified opinions. Even if some of there formulas for battle out comes seem full proof, I'm sure there's someone out there some where who could respectfully refute it.
It's not too late. One day, it will be.
Peace And Power MF DOOM!
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goku the krump dancer wrote:
Honestly I don't know how Death Battle comes up with some of their matches. I mean who has actually sat there and debated on whether or not freakin Kirby could beat Majin Boo? (I mean beside what we're doing at this very moment LOL. Y'all know what I mean.)
I think that this one is more thematic. They're both round, pink guys who love to eat, so it's based off that moreso than their respective strengths.
I should note that despite being on the same site, the 'predictions' blog post was not done by the creators of DEATH BATTLE and does not reflect their stance in any way.
Blue wrote:I love how Season 2 is so off color even the box managed to be so.
Puto wrote:I should note that despite being on the same site, the 'predictions' blog post was not done by the creators of DEATH BATTLE and does not reflect their stance in any way.
Well we may get analysis videos on one of the 2 fighters today. Also the ODBFB will put out a prediction which isn't always right. They are the research team, but have been wrong on the host's final conclusion.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Kirby bio. They really held back on the juicer details of Kirby. They'll tell a lot more, but from the preview if you only knew of Boo, then you'd still think Boo wins. Doesn't mean he will, but the preview doesn't give that much info on Kirby. It does give a tidbit about the warp star which if he can keep re-summoning with his own energy, he will always be faster than Boo.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Gee, this is going to be a tough one. Looking at things, I really don't think Kirby will realistically win this. One thing for sure, it'll be one hell of a battle. I don't think it'll be a curb stomp, but it'll still very much be in Majin Buu's favor. Let's just hope KIrby's death isn't too gruesome. Chocolate, please.
Oh, forgot about the whole form thing. If this was just Fat Buu, it may be evenly matched. Since it's Evil, Super, and Kid we're talking about.....Kirby doesn't stand a chance. I do wonder how they're going to justify those transformations, though.
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:I don't like how most people are calling Buu just a ''casual planet destroyer''...
Well, Majin Buu is a casual planet destroyer. A basic ki blast had enough power to blow up Earth dozens of times over. And when he actually get mad, he'll start tearing holes through dimensions and fabric of space and time. Hell, Toriyama himself that Majin Buu's power is immeasurable. Hell, Majin Buu doesn't even know how strong he is himself. So he can essentially be as powerful as he wants to be.
I personally don't see how Kirby is winning this fight.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:I don't like how most people are calling Buu just a ''casual planet destroyer''...
Well, Majin Buu is a casual planet destroyer. A basic ki blast had enough power to blow up Earth dozens of times over. And when he actually get mad, he'll start tearing holes through dimensions and fabric of space and time. Hell, Toriyama himself that Majin Buu's power is immeasurable. Hell, Majin Buu doesn't even know how strong he is himself. So he can essentially be as powerful as he wants to be.
I personally don't see how Kirby is winning this fight.
Yes, but people are saying he's saiyan saga Vegeta level (which is nonsense).
When people say he's a ''casual planet destroyer'' their term means nothing special...
"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta! I am the one who will defeat you!!" - Gogeta
Some fan calculation based on the scene of Earth's destruction put Pure Buu's Vanishing Ball at red dwarf star busting level. All forms of Super Buu are of course in a different dimension than Pure Buu, and Fat Buu is around as strong as him. Even ignoring that, Cell is stated to be strong enough to erase the solar system, which is confirmed by a guidebook. The weakest form of Buu nearly killed someone about as strong as Cell with one punch.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Some fan calculation based on the scene of Earth's destruction put Pure Buu's Vanishing Ball at red dwarf star busting level. All forms of Super Buu are of course in a different dimension than Pure Buu, and Fat Buu is around as strong as him. Even ignoring that, Cell is stated to be strong enough to erase the solar system, which is confirmed by a guidebook. The weakest form of Buu nearly killed someone about as strong as Cell with one punch.
Weren't Dragon Ball's characters planet busters at best? Because when you say Cell can erase the solar system you sound like he can erase the Sun also, which wasn't confirmed yet in the show. Well, Goku and co. have blasted villains through the Sun leaving it unscathed.
The thing is.. The Sun is a molten ball of fire and lava anyway so unless a huge chunk of it is somehow broken off, it'd be pretty hard to tell whether or not the star took any damage. Cell himself was destroyed on the Earth and aside from the crater created by the Kamehameha and a few earthquakes, The Earth itself was pretty much left unscathed as well. I sum all up to Ki control personally. If something as large as the a Earth isn't the initial target than it won't be destroyed.
Plus I know some people like to say Cell was lying about having enough power to blow away the solar system but in that regard I have to ask, Why? What reason could Cell have to lie to Gohan when everything was in his favor anyway. The only scapegoat the heroes had (Goku) was dead, Cell's only competition was not only crippled but on the verge of giving up AND no else at that moment stood a chance.
It's not too late. One day, it will be.
Peace And Power MF DOOM!
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Some fan calculation based on the scene of Earth's destruction put Pure Buu's Vanishing Ball at red dwarf star busting level. All forms of Super Buu are of course in a different dimension than Pure Buu, and Fat Buu is around as strong as him. Even ignoring that, Cell is stated to be strong enough to erase the solar system, which is confirmed by a guidebook. The weakest form of Buu nearly killed someone about as strong as Cell with one punch.
Weren't Dragon Ball's characters planet busters at best? Because when you say Cell can erase the solar system you sound like he can erase the Sun also, which wasn't confirmed yet in the show. Well, Goku and co. have blasted villains through the Sun leaving it unscathed.
No. Mere planet busting was considered weak in the early Freeza arc. Pure Buu's destruction of Earth took place in a manner that depicted his Vanishing Ball as having enough energy to destroy small stars. Mostly in the way the debris were scattered.
Yes, he can. This was stated in the manga and never contradicted. It was later explicitly confirmed by a guidebook.
Every villain who was blasted into the sun was an anime only villain. Even if they weren't, it doesn't matter. DB characters condense their powers into small areas so as not to cause collateral damage and increase localized damage. This was explicitly outlined in the Cell and Buu arcs, and further explained in various guidebooks. That's why the planet doesn't immediately get destroyed when two post-Vegeta characters fight.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
