Funimation should make its own soundtrack for Kai

[Ajay]

So all of the replacement scores are a problem, but when Toei uses Kikuchi's crap, they're gods now? Kikuchi's score sounds MORE outta place in Kai than it was in the original Z and many of the replacements half of yall here love to bash.

Uh, Kikuchi's placement in Kai is criticised almost every time it's brought up. What are you talking about?

[Cure Dragon 255]

And its not like the Kai Kikuchi placement score is being touted as a worthy version. Its just that its best to keep it that way and prevent more bastardization of the material by adding YET ANOTHER SCORE.

[Kakacarrottop]

And its not like the Kai Kikuchi placement score is being touted as a worthy version. Its just that its best to keep it that way and prevent more bastardization of the material by adding YET ANOTHER SCORE.

This is the most meaningful post in this thread. I don't care if Kikuchi's work is the original (not bashing it btw, on it's own it is actually pretty good music) i don't want to have to endure listening to it horribly misplaced in Kai. If FUNi don't fix this embarrassing mess regarding the soundtrack then i am going to continue not supporting them with this dub, unless someone syncs up Kai to Levy or Faulconer or some other talent out there. FUNi's Kai dub, while good, has totally damaged the image of the Japanese music in the West.

[ABED]

So a few cues aren't as well placed as one would like, you guys keep making mountains out of molehills. I'll take a bad music placement of Kikuchi's any day over Faulconer.

FUNi's Kai dub, while good, has totally damaged the image of the Japanese music in the West.

How do you figure?

[EXBadguy]

So all of the replacement scores are a problem, but when Toei uses Kikuchi's crap, they're gods now? Kikuchi's score sounds MORE outta place in Kai than it was in the original Z and many of the replacements half of yall here love to bash.

Uh, Kikuchi's placement in Kai is criticised almost every time it's brought up. What are you talking about?

Yeah, I know that, but it seems in this thread most people are praising the heck outta him, unless I'm misinterpreting.

And its not like the Kai Kikuchi placement score is being touted as a worthy version. Its just that its best to keep it that way and prevent more bastardization of the material by adding YET ANOTHER SCORE.

This is the most meaningful post in this thread. I don't care if Kikuchi's work is the original (not bashing it btw, on it's own it is actually pretty good music) i don't want to have to endure listening to it horribly misplaced in Kai. If FUNi don't fix this embarrassing mess regarding the soundtrack then i am going to continue not supporting them with this dub, unless someone syncs up Kai to Levy or Faulconer or some other talent out there. FUNi's Kai dub, while good, has totally damaged the image of the Japanese music in the West.

Truth truth TRUTH!! Though if Funimation decides to bring Falconer back, I would hope for him to put more new music instead of rehashing the old. Though some can stay like Perfect Cell's theme, Gohan vs Freeza, Piccolo's theme. Maybe one of Vegeta's themes can be vocalized.

[dbboxkaifan]

FUNi's Kai dub, while good, has totally damaged the image of the Japanese music in the West.

What?

If anything it was the Kaikuchi score that ruined the international dubs.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I am happy with the soundtrack of Kai (it's the episode count of the Buu arc and the fact the first 98 eps aren't in Widescreen are my problems with Kai), Yamamoto for the first four parts is fine and tbf the Kikuchi replacement I thought wasn't bad, albeit a bit repetitive. Also, I have seen people compare the Buu soundtrack to Faulconer at times so I am sure I would enjoy that too.

Also, I think if FUNi were to replace the score then it would go against what Kai is, a second chance for them to respect and be a very good adaption of the original Japanese version, and if they were to re-use Faulconer or make a new score then there really is no point in re-dubbing Kai and they may aswell have cut lines form the original dub.

[dbboxkaifan]

I am happy with the soundtrack of Kai (it's the episode count of the Buu arc and the fact the first 98 eps aren't in Widescreen are my problems with Kai)

You could always purchase the French BD/DVD or Japanese DVDs of Kai as they're 16x9 AR.

[Valerius Dover]

Well, as several people have pointed out, it simply isn't Funimation's place as a dubbing company to replace music. Their job is to dub over the voices so that English speakers can understand it. Music doesn't require translation, and that is something that they have learned. It would be a step back to mess with it. I don't hate the US music itself, on the contrary. But it is a practice that should never have existed in the first place, and definitely doesn't belong in 2015. And yet, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and LBX...

Where does this idea of most Americans preferring replacement scores come from? Most kids watching anime on TV are simply not aware of it, and most others have criticized the dubbing companies immensely over it. Dragon Ball Z seems to be the only exception, where there at least is a fanbase for it, myself included. Still, doesn't mean we can't like more than one thing....

[dbboxkaifan]

Well, as several people have pointed out, it simply isn't Funimation's place as a dubbing company to replace music. Their job is to dub over the voices so that English speakers can understand it. Music doesn't require translation, and that is something that they have learned. It would be a step back to mess with it. I don't hate the US music itself, on the contrary. But it is a practice that should never have existed in the first place, and definitely doesn't belong in 2015. And yet, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and LBX...

Where does this idea of most Americans preferring replacement scores come from? Most kids watching anime on TV are simply not aware of it, and most others have criticized the dubbing companies immensely over it. Dragon Ball Z seems to be the only exception, where there at least is a fanbase for it, myself included. Still, doesn't mean we can't like more than one thing....

You're right it's not FUNimation's place to produce a new soundtrack, instead, it should be Toei and hire Takaki to compose a proper score for Kai 2.0 because Sumitomo is just a mess, okay sure there are a couple of good tracks but most of them are forgettable scraps.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Where does this idea of most Americans preferring replacement scores come from?

Supposedly from "market research." However, whether or not such research was conducted--and, if it was, the extent to which it was conducted--has been the subject of suspicion.

Frankly, I'd say that money is a far bigger reason for replacement scores than we may have once been led to believe. Especially if you take into consideration that interview with a 4Kids exec who says they make money from the publishing and usage of their own replacement score. Combine that with the fact that 4Kids bought the international distribution rights for most of their shows outside of Asia (in effect, licensing their music as well)...and they have far more to gain, financially, from a replacement score than we were once led to believe. The picture seems a lot clearer to me with all of this taken into account...

[Kakacarrottop]

Well, as several people have pointed out, it simply isn't Funimation's place as a dubbing company to replace music. Their job is to dub over the voices so that English speakers can understand it.

Once again this is just personal opinion, not an official policy of FUNimation. They can do whatever they like to Dragon Ball since they hold all the rights to it (in most English speaking countries i think). I think some people read waaaay too much into this whole "respecting" the Japanese source material thing, i mean if the Japanese creators really cared about us "respecting" their products they would never let greedy parasites like 4Kids and Haim Saban get their hands on anime.

[dbboxkaifan]

Well, as several people have pointed out, it simply isn't Funimation's place as a dubbing company to replace music. Their job is to dub over the voices so that English speakers can understand it.

Once again this is just personal opinion, not an official policy of FUNimation. They can do whatever they like to Dragon Ball since they hold all the rights to it (in most English speaking countries i think). I think some people read waaaay too much into this whole "respecting" the Japanese source material thing, i mean if the Japanese creators really cared about us "respecting" their products they would never let greedy parasites like 4Kids and Haim Saban get their hands on anime.

Much like the Japanese producers of Shin-chan are perfectly fine with FUNimation's Americanised version because it's business but it completely misses the point that the original version was going for.

[Super Sonic]

Not so sure about its own soundtrack, but if there were some original insert songs sung by Brina Palencia, or Britney Karbowski that would be ok. Something along the lines of Carry On or Power of Love that would fit the battle.

[Kakacarrottop]

Why can't they just reuse some old Team Faulconer and or Saban score tracks and mesh them together into one soundtrack? I mean some really great, creative music has been made for FUNi's DB dubs over the years. (trust me it's a lot more interesting than pop or orchestral music from the 30s) Would that be illegal due to copyright or something?

[voltlunok]

Why can't they just reuse some old Team Faulconer and or Saban score tracks and mesh them together into one soundtrack? I mean some really great, creative music has been made for FUNi's DB dubs over the years. (trust me it's a lot more interesting than pop or orchestral music from the 30s) Would that be illegal due to copyright or something?

Because then they would have to pay Faulconer money I believe. Something they don't wanna do since the GT music fiasco. Faulconer burned bridges with Funi and Funi burned bridges with Faulconer. Pretty much simple as that. This combined with how much Schemmel and Sabat hate Faulconer's music (And Faulconer himself in Schemmel's case.). You can guess why...

[Kakacarrottop]

Why can't they just reuse some old Team Faulconer and or Saban score tracks and mesh them together into one soundtrack? I mean some really great, creative music has been made for FUNi's DB dubs over the years. (trust me it's a lot more interesting than pop or orchestral music from the 30s) Would that be illegal due to copyright or something?

Because then they would have to pay Faulconer money I believe. Something they don't wanna do since the GT music fiasco. Faulconer burned bridges with Funi and Funi burned bridges with Faulconer. Pretty much simple as that. This combined with how much Schemmel and Sabat hate Faulconer's music (And Faulconer himself in Schemmel's case.). You can guess why...

What about the Saban music?

[voltlunok]

Why can't they just reuse some old Team Faulconer and or Saban score tracks and mesh them together into one soundtrack? I mean some really great, creative music has been made for FUNi's DB dubs over the years. (trust me it's a lot more interesting than pop or orchestral music from the 30s) Would that be illegal due to copyright or something?

Because then they would have to pay Faulconer money I believe. Something they don't wanna do since the GT music fiasco. Faulconer burned bridges with Funi and Funi burned bridges with Faulconer. Pretty much simple as that. This combined with how much Schemmel and Sabat hate Faulconer's music (And Faulconer himself in Schemmel's case.). You can guess why...

What about the Saban music?

No clue! Honestly I think it's the same situation. Don't wanna pay out money for stuff they don't have to. Plus like many here have said, Funi doesn't do replacement scores anymore. Which for most series I'm cool with that but in DBZ's case...I love the Faulconer music, it to me was as much a part of DBZ as Goku was. But that's me and I'm an oddball.

If I want Z with Faulconer music I'll just load up my DVDs from the orange bricks with Faulconer music. Not really into Kai so it's no skin off my back.

[theoriginalbilis]

For the record, the Kikuchi reused music for Kai never really bothered me. There's a couple instances where the track chosen is far too upbeat for the scene (all of which have been repeatedly brought up on this forum), but it's fine overall and doesn't jar me at all. Of course, I'd love Yamamoto's score reinserted back into eps. 1-98, but hey, them's the breaks.

On the plus side, it gave and continues to give American viewers exposure to the original DBZ score (Nicktoons/CW/Toonzai/Toonami and online) with Kai and the recent movie airings.

And the more people grow to appreciate the Kikuchi score, the better IMO.

[ABED]

Don't wanna pay out money for stuff they don't have to.

I think a similar argument was used as one of the reasons why they didn't want to use the original score back when they first began dubbing DB and DBZ.