Nothing at stake in Dragonball anymore???

[Analytical Delusion]

The new Whis reveal, while not completely broken (3 minute time limit, meaning he'd have to be in the area or cognizant of the situation), does eliminate a lot of the tension to me.

The second set of dragon balls on their own weren't an issue, it was only when it was revealed that the Namek balls (and maybe the Earth balls as well? Not sure...) can wish back multiple people multiple times. Not a huge deal since it didn't come into play until chapter 513 or 514 out of 519 (or out of 516 and a half really, excluding the epilogue), but since the bulk of the original content seems to be taking place during the 10-year timeskip, they do provide an obvious catch-all safety net for any problems the protagonists might face.

I think the real game-changer was teleportation. Yes, you do need to be able to sense someone's ki, but the second the technique was introduced, it seemed apparent to me that it would give Goku & co. a means to bypass the search and travel time from the Namek saga. Hell, Goku could have travelled *anywhere* and figured out the details of reaching Namek later on I'd think. Though, we didn't know if Goku could travel between the world of the living and the world of the dad when teleportation was introduced, so maybe I'm overstating its importance (and it's not like Goku knew any other aliens).

Kibito's teleportation without the need to sense ki was also a big deal. As was having Dende around to heal without the senzus being around. I guess someone could argue that the mere introduction of senzus, the revelation that the dragon balls could revive people, and the fact that God was able to resurrect Shen Long eliminated a ton of concern as well.

[Skar]

I've recently read final volume of manga, and i just love, how Goku said "Don't worry about damage Buu does to the universe, we have Dragon Balls" right after Old Kaioshin said, that using Dragon Balls is very dangerous, Eh Goku
That's what i like about DBGT and Malik's DBNA, they expand on Toriyama's idea that you can't keep using Dragon Balls without consequences and someday, even Z-Warriors and their families have to die.

I didn't understand that idea to be honest. Why would there only be a consequence to using the Dragon's magic but not normal Namekian magic, Mr. Buu's magic, or any other magic? It takes the Dragonballs a year to "replenish" their energy so they can't use them without limit. That's more of a restriction than most magic users who can keep performing their magic as long as they get healed. The Dragons also have several limitations that prevent them from granting every possible wish. I think in the manga if the Dragonballs were causing an imbalance or anything bad then the Kaioshin may have intervened or asked the Nameks to place even more limits on them. I think it's an alright idea for a fan comic to add more tension to the story but I don't know if it would be something I could see Toriyama doing.

The new Whis reveal, while not completely broken (3 minute time limit, meaning he'd have to be in the area or cognizant of the situation), does eliminate a lot of the tension to me.

I was hoping that Whis would have a more neutral role in the movie and not get involved. Now that he's willing to help them at any time then that only gives them yet another alternative to solving the problem. In the FnF thread, Kei17 said:

Despite being heavily action-packed, the fight against Freeza is not intended to be a real crisis. It's depicted as Goku and Vegeta's training and their opportunity of character development. Goku once more shows his mercy and inattention which incurs the destruction of the Earth. Beerus scolds Goku for his too much leniency, and then he reflects on it and finishes off Freeza without hesitation after Whis using time rewind.

I'm actually glad the story is honest with itself at least. They know they can't present as much tension or danger as previous sagas and they're not trying to anymore. I was a little surprising that Freeza destroyed the Earth. I joked about it being so predictable that they probably wouldn't do it since it already happened during the Buu saga. At least it had a new twist and they were able to save the Earth without the Dragonballs like last time. That's pretty much everything I did like about the movie. Everything else I heard about it I absolutely hated but I'm going to wait until I see it. Sometimes a movie could have a cheap and lazy sounding premise but end up being very fun to watch.

[Nex Carnifex]

The problem is that it doesn't matter what characters die during the fight because they'll always be brought back to life. This has been the most glaring issue with the drama in Dragon Ball since the Frieza saga.

[Dyno]

And yet, there are characters that are dead and never get back when they should. Instead, we get to see old characters coming back yet again for the sake of fan-service/song. Kinda lame.

[Skar]

And yet, there are characters that are dead and never get back when they should. Instead, we get to see old characters coming back yet again for the sake of fan-service/song. Kinda lame.

Who else could they wish back? Cell is the only former villain that could potentially be a threat but I don't think anyone knows him or cares enough to resurrect him. There's also the old Saiyans but considering they were never brought up during the series it would be unlikely that Goku or Vegeta would think to wish them back.

[Doctor.]

Seriously, just kill Goku for good. He should have stayed dead anyway. Go ahead and follow DBO's timeline and let us have the Goku vs Vegeta final match almost everyone wants, and that let's us go ahead and force the other characters to have to grow stronger on their own after their deaths for future threats.

[Skar]

Seriously, just kill Goku for good. He should have stayed dead anyway. Go ahead and follow DBO's timeline and let us have the Goku vs Vegeta final match almost everyone wants, and that let's us go ahead and force the other characters to have to grow stronger on their own after their deaths for future threats.

To be honest I was hoping the Buu saga would end with Goku and Vegeta staying dead. Vegeta gets a chance at revival but declines because he feels he should do his time in hell. King Yemma says he only has to spend a few years down there or something for his sacrifice so that by the End of Z there's a panel showing Goku and Vegeta training together in Other World. I don't know if that would improve the sequels at all but at least it would give the other characters a chance to play a bigger role.