Nothing at stake in Dragonball anymore???

[Skar]

The Z fighters have two sets of Dragonballs to fix everything! They really don't have much to worry about in FnF so that's my main issue with a continuation of the series.

(There are other parts of the movie that I thought were forced like Frieza being confident he could surpass Goku who surpassed Buu when he can't even sense energy and has no idea how strong Buu is. In all honesty if I read that in a fan comic or fan fiction I wouldn't continue reading after that. I've read a few where Frieza trains in hell and escapes to have revenge but as you could expect they weren't very good. I guess if Toriyama feels Frieza is a super prodigy then good enough but still doesn't really explain how Frieza is confident he could surpass Buu when all he knows is his name.)

Anyway in earlier sagas there was always some level of suspense. We know in the end that the heroes will win since it's shonen but there was a possibility that some won't be brought back to life.
-King Piccolo saga: Shenron was killed so at that point we didn't know if Krillin, Roshi, and the others would be wished back. Kami resurrected Shenron but there was still the one-resurrection limit.

-Saiyan saga: Piccolo was killed so we thought that was the end of the Dragonballs. The saga ends with them beginning their journey to Namek but we don't know what they'll find there.

-Frieza saga: By the time they reach Namek Frieza's army has already gathered four of the Dragonballs and working on their fifth. Guru was on the verge of death so at any time he could've died and there goes their last hope of wishing any back. Luckily they resurrected Piccolo and Kami seconds before Guru died but Piccolo could've died again since he was going up against Frieza. At the end of the saga, the Nameks teleport to their new home world so we're back to one set of Dragonballs on Earth.

Cell saga: For the most of the saga they only had the Earth Dragonballs to rely on. Presumably they couldn't find New Namek in Trunks' Timeline which was no one was resurrected there. Piccolo fuses with Kami and the Dragonballs are gone! Goku wants to find a new guardian so he ends up finding New Namek fairly easily with King Kai's help. We go back to having the Namek Dragonballs as a backup in case Dende gets killed.

Buu saga: Goku could've ended the saga against Fat Buu but he wanted the kids to have a chance at saving the Earth. Goku knows there isn't too much at stake since they have two sets of Dragonballs. Even then we don't know how many people the Dragons can resurrect at one time. When Kid Buu destroyed the Earth we didn't know if the Dragons can restore an entire planet. It turns out that Porunga can restore the entire Earth and the entire population without too much trouble.

At that point it was kinda the last time I could take a threat seriously in a Dragonball story or about as seriously as I could the previous villains. If Beerus managed to destroy the Earth in Battle of Gods then Goku would've just teleported to New Namek or asked King Kai if he could speak with them to wish back the Earth again. That's actually the reason why I don't think Earth will ever get destroyed again. It already happened once and fixed easily so it would just be a waste of screentime showing them asking Porunga to restore it again. I think the only way the Z fighters will be in any real danger is if the villain is a threat to Earth and New Namek and there's a possibility that both sets of Dragonballs will disappear. Other than that no matter what happens to Earth or even that entire side of the galaxy they still got the Namek Dragonballs as backup. Any thoughts?

[bleed0range]

Well... all you gotta do is kill Dende and blow up New Namek. Ta-da!! At the same time, if they were recently used by anyone they are not able to be used again for like a year right? If Freeza was wished back then all of the balls on Earth are rendered useless for the time being and if the Earth was blown up that's that.

[Doctor.]

Well... all you gotta do is kill Dende and blow up New Namek. Ta-da!! At the same time, if they were recently used by anyone they are not able to be used again for like a year right? If Freeza was wished back then all of the balls on Earth are rendered useless for the time being and if the Earth was blown up that's that.

You don't need to go as far to destroy New Namek, just kill Dende and Goku since they're the only ones who know where Namek is.

[Dyno]

I think Vegeta knows too.

[Skar]

Well... all you gotta do is kill Dende and blow up New Namek. Ta-da!! At the same time, if they were recently used by anyone they are not able to be used again for like a year right? If Freeza was wished back then all of the balls on Earth are rendered useless for the time being and if the Earth was blown up that's that.

You don't need to go as far to destroy New Namek, just kill Dende and Goku since they're the only ones who know where Namek is.

What would prevent them from talking to the Nameks and asking them to restore the Earth like during the Buu saga? Goku was on the Kaioshin planet but King Kai and Kibito Kai were willing to help. If Frieza was SSJ God tier then he would be a bigger threat to the universe than Buu. I think they would be willing to wish back the heroes again and give them another chance to fight Frieza.

[dbzfan7]

Once the namek balls became a thing, they could always have Kaio contact new namek and get them to use their Dragon Balls to fix whatever.

[Skar]

Once the namek balls became a thing, they could always have Kaio contact new namek and get them to use their Dragon Balls to fix whatever.

Yeah I don't know what Frieza could do that hasn't been done already. He could kill some of the Z fighters but most have already been killed at least once and almost half of them at least twice. He could blow up the Earth but that's already been done. I'm curious what fans are looking forward to most in this movie.

[dbzfan7]

Once the namek balls became a thing, they could always have Kaio contact new namek and get them to use their Dragon Balls to fix whatever.

Yeah I don't know what Freeza could do that hasn't been done already. He could kill some of the Z fighters but most have already been killed at least once and almost half of them at least twice. He could blow up the Earth but that's already been done. I'm curious what fans are looking forward to most in this movie.

Also Whis can apparently turn back time a bit, so there's implications that if everyone fails, he'll do that.

[sbk]

The second set of Dragon Balls ruined everything
But also, all these new movies take place before the ending, and we know everything's alright at the end

[ekrolo2]

Once the namek balls became a thing, they could always have Kaio contact new namek and get them to use their Dragon Balls to fix whatever.

Yeah I don't know what Freeza could do that hasn't been done already. He could kill some of the Z fighters but most have already been killed at least once and almost half of them at least twice. He could blow up the Earth but that's already been done. I'm curious what fans are looking forward to most in this movie.

Also Whis can apparently turn back time a bit, so there's implications that if everyone fails, he'll do that.

Which is why giving a character casual time travel powers is pretty much the worst idea ever.

[Ajay]

But also, all these new movies take place before the ending, and we know everything's alright at the end

That's my major concern, currently. 'Prequel syndrome' has always been my major issue with the new Dragon Ball content. I enjoy the narratives as they play out, but in the back of mind, I'm well aware that there's almost no real consequence to any of the 'threats' on screen. At the same time, the dragon balls already gave me this feeling, so it's not totally exclusive to the new work.

[dbzfan7]

But also, all these new movies take place before the ending, and we know everything's alright at the end

That's my major concern, currently. 'Prequel syndrome' has always been my major issue with the new Dragon Ball content. I enjoy the narratives as they play out, but in the back of mind, I'm well aware that there's almost no real consequence to any of the 'threats' on screen. At the same time, the dragon balls already gave me this feeling, so it's not totally exclusive to the new work.

I forgot about that, yeah it's kinda impossible for things to go wrong since the end of the series is as far as we know, still how things end.

[FortuneSSJ]

That's my major concern, currently. 'Prequel syndrome' has always been my major issue with the new Dragon Ball content. I enjoy the narratives as they play out, but in the back of mind, I'm well aware that there's almost no real consequence to any of the 'threats' on screen. At the same time, the dragon balls already gave me this feeling, so it's not totally exclusive to the new work.

Thats true. But we don't what will happen to the new characters like Beerus and Whis in the end.
Nothing about Freeza fate either. We can have some surprises there.

[Dyno]

Which is why giving a character casual time travel powers is pretty much the worst idea ever.

If we can handle the fact Dragon Balls are able to revive people, and thus, killing a major drama in the story... I think we can handle a bit of time travel. It could also be used properly...

[rereboy]

I think that's a false problem. Its a mainstream piece of entertainment. We know that, at the end, everything will turn out alright, with Dragon Ball or without Dragon Balls. This factor is not created by the Dragon Balls but by the fact that its a mainstream piece of entertainment.

[ekrolo2]

Which is why giving a character casual time travel powers is pretty much the worst idea ever.

If we can handle the fact Dragon Balls are able to revive people, and thus, killing a major drama in the story... I think we can handle a bit of time travel. It could also be used properly...

At least the Dragon Balls can't just be used on a whim, sure they're capable of great things but what if Dende is killed? Or Goku is injured to the point where they can't just zap to New Namek if they need the other ones? With Whis, he can do it on a whim and unless its a very small variation of time travel where he can only go back like 20 seconds into the past, its a bad idea.

[Skar]

I think that's a false problem. Its a mainstream piece of entertainment. We know that, at the end, everything will turn out alright, with Dragon Ball or without Dragon Balls. This factor is not created by the Dragon Balls but by the fact that its a mainstream piece of entertainment.

I know everything will turn out alright in the end but in most stories death has a meaning. Even in shonen there's the risk that a character could die and never come back. In Dragonball death never had a meaning but I think that puts a limit on how far the story could go on. Buu saga went to the ridiculous extreme of having 99.9% of Earth's population wiped out and the planet being destroyed and then everything being fixed a few hours later. It was meant to be the final saga back then so that could be why it was so over the top and ridiculous. I just hope that if there are any more sequels that they try to take it up a notch and do something we haven't already seen before. I think it would be boring if another villain destroyed the Earth again and I think it would be boring to see Goku, Vegeta, Krillin, anyone else that's been killed at least twice get wished back again. I rather have the final tournament with Uub remain the permanent ending of the manga than see a few sequels that don't offer anything new to the story.

At least the Dragon Balls can't just be used on a whim, sure they're capable of great things but what if Dende is killed? Or Goku is injured to the point where they can't just zap to New Namek if they need the other ones? With Whis, he can do it on a whim and unless its a very small variation of time travel where he can only go back like 20 seconds into the past, its a bad idea.

Well even if Goku gets killed we know he's allowed to keep his body in Other World so King Kai or Kibito Kai could help him there again. I don't think they would deny helping Goku after everything he's done.

[sbk]

I think that's a false problem. Its a mainstream piece of entertainment. We know that, at the end, everything will turn out alright, with Dragon Ball or without Dragon Balls. This factor is not created by the Dragon Balls but by the fact that its a mainstream piece of entertainment.

Just because it's mainstream doesn't mean there can't be tension or (danger of) lasting consequences though..

[rereboy]

I think that's a false problem. Its a mainstream piece of entertainment. We know that, at the end, everything will turn out alright, with Dragon Ball or without Dragon Balls. This factor is not created by the Dragon Balls but by the fact that its a mainstream piece of entertainment.

Just because it's mainstream doesn't mean there can't be tension or (danger of) lasting consequences though..

Tension in mainstream comes mainly from the way the action is made and plot progression.

Its completely erroneous to believe that tension in mainstream depends on the actual fear of the lasting deaths of the most relevant characters. The audience already knows that is not a significant danger. At most it can have deaths of secondary characters but that helps more with the "feels" moments than with tension, because if the movie doesn't build its tension on significantly more than the fact that a secondary character died, it won't be that death that will help much, and Dragon Ball has never been much of a tearjerker.

Therefore, like I said, I think its a false problem.

I know everything will turn out alright in the end but in most stories death has a meaning. Even in shonen there's the risk that a character could die and never come back. In Dragonball death never had a meaning but I think that puts a limit on how far the story could go on. Buu saga went to the ridiculous extreme of having 99.9% of Earth's population wiped out and the planet being destroyed and then everything being fixed a few hours later. It was meant to be the final saga back then so that could be why it was so over the top and ridiculous. I just hope that if there are any more sequels that they try to take it up a notch and do something we haven't already seen before. I think it would be boring if another villain destroyed the Earth again and I think it would be boring to see Goku, Vegeta, Krillin, anyone else that's been killed at least twice get wished back again. I rather have the final tournament with Uub remain the permanent ending of the manga than see a few sequels that don't offer anything new to the story.

Same answer as above.

[ParkerAL]

The Z fighters have two sets of Dragonballs to fix everything! They really don't have much to worry about in FnF so that's my main issue with a continuation of the series.

They still have to beat the villain in order to use the Dragon Balls to fix all the collateral damage afterwards, so there will always be a degree of tension in that regard. Of course, that's just in universe - we all know they'll win in the end eventually, but that's been the case since the series began.

(There are other parts of the movie that I thought were forced like Freeza being confident he could surpass Goku who surpassed Buu when he can't even sense energy and has no idea how strong Buu is.

The movie hasn't come out yet.