Lowest point in the series?

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Attitudefan » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:49 pm

ParkerAL wrote:
ZazamPow wrote:Then Muscle Tower, the ultimate snorefest -- oh wait, I was wrong, the pirate treasure and General Blue stuff is even more boring.
Oddly enough, those sections had some of my favorite moments in the entire early part of the series. From Goku battling giant a Terminator android, to Murasaki's goofy antics, to the pirate robot Goku and Krillin face off against in an underwater base, the Red Ribbon Army Arc had a little of everything. I personally really enjoy it for all the twists and turns it took. Overall, it felt like a much grander adventure compared to what came before.
I love their fight with the pirate robot. They couldn't beat it head on so they found sneaky tactics to beat it. The tension was crazy during that part.
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by Analytical Delusion » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:40 pm

I really think the first DB series hit its stride during the two Piccolo arcs. I'm a big fan of DBZ through the Cell Games as well. Really, I'd say the 23rd TB and the Saiyan Saga were the most fun to me. Yes, they both came down to Goku saving the world in the end, but it did seem that everybody played a part.

As for the lowest point? I'd say there are a couple of extended portions I struggled with (excluding the Fake Namek and Garlic Jr. stuff, since both were pretty short, and are easy to avoid with the manga or Kai):

1) Cell Saga from the initial appearance of 19/20 prior to the Cell Games.
2) Buu Saga after Vegeta's self-destruction, and prior to Gohan's return.

There are caveats for both, however. I did enjoy the mystery surrounding Cell when there was panic over why time had changed so much (one of the highest suspense non-action portions of the series to me, alongside Namek prior to the Ginyu force), and I did very much like the design of his first form. As for Buu, I do appreciate Goten/Trunks as a plot device (the boys serve to show how much Gohan has slacked off, fusion was an incredibly interesting concept, and I think it's always a positive to expand the cast, especially with precocious talents), but it's incredibly difficult for me to read those chapters. I never truly cared the gag aspects of the series on a deep level (occasional comic relief is fine, but I can't stand some of the over-the-top stuff), and all sorts of silliness are on display during this portion (just as it is during the beginning of the DB manga).

One other note, I never knew how long the Red Ribbon Army Arc was in the anime (I haven't actually watched very much of it at all). I mean, looking at an episode list, loosely:

1-13: Initial DB search (8.5%)
14-28: 21st TB (9.8%)
29-78: Red Ribbon Army and fallout thereof (32.7%!!!)
79-101: 22nd TB (15.0%)
102-122: Piccolo Daimao (13.7%)
123-153: 23rd TB (20.2%)

In the manga, on the other hand:

1-23: Initial DB search (11.9%)
24-54: 21st TB (16.0%)
55-112: Red Ribbon Army and fallout thereof (29.9%)
113-134: 22nd TB (11.3%)
135-165: Piccolo Daimao (16.0%)
166-194: 23rd TB (14.9%)

Actually, after writing that all down, I guess it isn't a huge difference at all. Still, 49 episodes does seem like a ton. I actually don't mind reading that portion in the manga at all. Maybe I should give it a shot, since I really like the winter/snow/ice as a battleground (in Movies 2 and 7, made for great visuals and choreography). I'm also grouping a ton of things together that I probably shouldn't, unless I'm going to do the same with the initial search/training/21st TB, and 22nd TB/Piccolo Daimao arcs.

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by sbk » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:18 pm

The Cell Games and the Buu arc (not counting the High School/25th Tenkaichi parts)

While the High School and 25th Tenkaichi Tournament arcs were great, everything after Vegeta's detonation wasn't very good IMO

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Re: Lowest point in the series?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:18 pm

We're there.
The Monkey King wrote:
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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