So, about the Broly hate...

[TheKingOfKamehamehas]

People don't like he's far more popular than any other villain in the series, even Freeza.

I wouldn't go to that extent of popularity. Most popular movie villain makes sense for Broly would make sense, but the most popular villain in the series...Never heard of that.

...and he went crazy because of Goku's crying.

Not this again... Why does this notion even exist? It doesn't make an ounce of sense!

The movie goes out of its way to show us that it was his own power that drove him mad, like it's very clear in the scene where he takes out one of the eyes of his father. It really has nothing to do with Goku crying.

As for that crying scene, it exists because Movie 8 goes out of its way to establish a symbolic representation of Goku's and Broly's relationship by having the weakling baby Goku still managing to annoy prodigy baby Broly who had a power level of 10.000 despite their power differences. It has nothing to do with Broly going crazy by hearing a cry when he was a baby, its a representation of their relationship and a metaphor for what happens later in the movie when Goku manages to find a way to beat Broly, which is why a flashback of that scene is played when Goku beats Broly.

As for Broly not liking Goku, that's simply because he instinctively recognizes Goku as his rival and instinctively feels the need to crush him as his rival. That's why in the movie they felt the need to even make Goku be born on the same day as Broly, to really accentuate how they are meant to be rivals, even though they are so very different, and the crying scene accentuates this even further.

I really don't understand how this illogical notion of Broly becoming mad because of crying became so engraved in the fanbase...

He does not see Goku as a rival; they're not competing over anything. He clearly wants to murder him very, very badly. I'd go as far as say it'd sexually satisfy him to torture Goku, as he becomes obsessed with doing so.

I don't know why fade, but you just made me think of this...

[jcogginsa]

From what I recall, once #13 transformed in the original version, the only line he had was "Son Goku!" And yeah, 13 was an extremely boring villain, call me crazy, but I actually prefer the Funimation version of the character. Yeah, the redneck thing got a bit annoying, but at least they gave him some personality.

I guess I'm out of the loop, but...they made him a redneck?

Did he have any as normal 13?

He explains to Goku about how Gero's computer took on Gero's desire for revenge and completed him, 14, and 15. And later he brags about how his S.S. Deadly Bomber attack is powerful enough to blow away half the planet. He probably says some other stuff too. It's 14 and 15 who are the quiet ones, really. Maybe Super 13 gets his muteness from them.

They gave him a southern Accent. and punched up the dialogue so it had a southern bent.

They also gave him a line about Free will that i've always found fascinating.

Here's the line, happens about 18 minutes into the movie when 13 first shows up.

Trunks: You're just a slave, a pawn with no Free will of it's own.
13: Free will? pitiful humans- War, segragation, hatred, is that what you've done with your free will boy? Don't you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut, Goku Dies.
Trunks: We'll see you red ribbon redneck

Dub only, i'm sure, but it does provide something to latch on to for characterization

[Vijay]

When I look at Broly, it gives a "mysterious vibe".

His LSSJ form is my least favourite, while I found his Base, RSSJ or M10's Super Saiyan states to be unique.

I find Broly Haters to be equally as hilarious as hardcore Broly fans.

Even when I was a kid, (15 years back) Broly & his fights were so memorable.

The guy just trashed Goku & co (M8).

Even without being a hater or fan, I find Broly to be character with abundant potential. Just take away his LSSJ form & "Kakarotto" thing, the guy is an unstoppable beast, similar to Kid Buu, Super Janemba etc.

If a guy could jump frm ROFL Stomping 4 SSJ's & 1 Super Namekian to ROFL Stomping a SSJ2 in just a single zenkai, what-if the dude trained? Heck, would his zenkai allow him to surpass & touch the walls that even Goku couldnt

I think its this kinda questions that make Broly mysterious

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Trunks: You're just a slave, a pawn with no Free will of it's own.
13: Free will? pitiful humans- War, segregation, hatred, is that what you've done with your free will boy? Don't you lecture me with your 30 dollar haircut, Goku Dies.
Trunks: We'll see you red ribbon redneck

Dub only, i'm sure, but it does provide something to latch on to for characterization

I've always loved that bit- and the bit before where #13 admits there's really no reason they should be fighting- because it is at once a terrible B-movie attempt at giving a dumb story a thoughtful core while at the same time, if we presume that #13 is simply straight wrong, about how warped Gero and/or #13's view of the world is. A lot mileage for a couple rewritten sentences.

[Noah]

Well, I'm kinda indifferent to Broly too. As said before here, he could be a character with a far more developed story and personality, but yeah... What we could expect from a movie villain? Most have a really poor story behind their actions.

One thing that I hated about Broly in the games... Is that in DBZ: Attack Of Saiyans (A great RPG game) when you gatter all the Dragonballs you can make a wish to fight the "Ultimate Enemy"... And yes, is he... In a DBZ game, set in the Saiyan Saga you can fight with Broly... Man, just what a fuck... I hate how he is in every media, this make everyone feel extremely annoyed! DBZAOS is a great game, really... But the "hidden boss" being LSSJ Broly was a pretty bad move... It could be Dr. Whello, Turles or even Slug... Why the fuck, Broly???

[Cipher]

It's easy to see why Brolli struck a chord with fans over other movie villains: He's a serious step up in creepiness from what had come before; Movie 8 really does a great job establishing him as a no-nonsense villain with a far more involved, and more dire, backstory than any before. Most of the movies to that point, and even after it, are fairly happy-go-lucky affairs; Brolli destroys a populated planet on screen.

He's also a serious departure for the franchise, in terms of his background and portrayal. Whereas Dragon Ball leans toward charasmatic, colorful villains, Brolli is all semi-tragic backstory and wreckless violence. He's quite scary in his opening film, and were he seen as what he really is -- that franchise anomaly -- rather than the role he's taken on as a representation of its worst excesses, he'd probably cause less of a rift.

At any rate, I think he's a fun character and have no problem with his subsequent movie appearances, even if I do wish he'd kept a bit of the gravitas he brought to Movie 8.

He's definitely overexposed in other media, but what're ya gonna do? I suppose I might be more bothered by it if I actually kept up with the video games.

He also seems to be part of a series of memes in Japan.

[Sinestro]

I feel like Brolly's inclusion in video games has only exacerbated the dislike for the character. He grunts, screams, an yells "Kakarot/Kakkarotto" for the most part.

He at least has a bit more personality in Movie 8. I mean sure, he was still a bloodthirsty monster, but he actually spoke with some intelligence!

[Gianchio]

People don't like he's far more popular than any other villain in the series, even Freeza.

Cell and Buu are both more popular than Broly, let alone Freeza. Most of Broly fans are simply more...loud.

[One_Instance]

Because everyone acts like he's the strongest character in existence, when in reality he's one of the weaker villains that we see in Z.

[rereboy]

Because everyone acts like he's the strongest character in existence, when in reality he's one of the weaker villains that we see in Z.

He is about as strong as Cell and Dabra, which would make him very significant even in the Buu saga.

[KentalSSJ6]

So about that interview about him and Beerus...do we have that on the site by any chance?

[TheUltimateVegito]

I think Broly would've been liked more as a character if not for his sequels. This is because Movie 10 enforced the idea that all Broly does is scream and say Kakarot and Movie 11 gave him no character to speak of.

[jjgp1112]

I like Broly in doses. It's more of the concept of Broly I hate - his overexposure and obnoxious fanbase, essentially.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

As far as I see it, Broly himself is the kill-joy of a good solid build up. I'm sure its agreed, he himself is the biggest reason why he gets so much flack. Paragus set up a lot of what could have dug deeper into the Saiyan breeding lore or more super Saiyan history from the evil perspective, even an idea about broly being superior to Vegeta and thus cast out for it in precaution... but Broly himself has no character at all and has no reason to hate Goku himself rather than Vegeta. Hes the shame. Switch his personality and even voice with Cooler's and maybe you'd get something complete.

I like Broly in doses. It's more of the concept of Broly I hate - his overexposure and obnoxious fanbase, essentially.

I just dont like Broly's marketing centered all around his power. Thus his fanbase keeps assuming he'll come back just to keep up.

[Dyno]

When this topic will have its named changed to "About the Broly love..."?

[Kendamu]

I have a joking hatred for Broly. What I hate is that his popularity comes from the logic of "strongest character = best character" nonsense. It's the same nonsense that, in a recent Twitter poll, got Janemba to win over Krillin in a "best character" contest. Honestly, Janemba isn't even a real character compared to all the amazing things Krillin has been a part of throughout the entirety of the Dragonball story. But, hey, he's Janemba's strong and does that blocky teleport thing! He's definitely a better character!

That sort of nonsense is the same logic that makes Broly out to be a lot more than he really is. That's the reason he gets shoehorned into an amazing DBZ RPG as a "secret boss" when the game doesn't even go past the battle with Vegeta and Nappa. In that instance, someone like Tullece would've been a lot more fitting! But, hey, Broly has maximum power so he's obviously the better character, right?

Taking the fanboys out of the equation, I have no problem with Broly himself, his movies, his merchandise, or any sort of proper appearance such as a stage in a game built around one of his legit appearances in a DBZ film. He's there. That's neat. It is what it is. I have no place telling fans what they should and shouldn't enjoy. I just may not agree with it. So, I'm not so much an active Broly hater as I am just baffled by his popularity when someone does happen to bring him up like he's this amazing guy.

[TripleRach]

Eons ago, people who saw DBZ Movie 8 on VHS had hyped it up as one of the best movies, and Broli as one of the coolest villains. So I had high expectations when FUNimation first released their original DVD single for the movie, back in 2003 or so.

And I was very disappointed. The movie felt so long and boring, and I just didn't care about the plot or the character at all. I actually haven't seen the movie since then, so maybe I would feel differently on a second viewing. But that was my first impression of Broli, and it was a negative one.

Some years later (2008-ish), I finally watched DBZ Movie 10 for the first time. And I thought it was great... up until they started fighting Broli. So that didn't help my opinion of him either.

I also dislike the idea of an actual person being the "Legendary Super Saiyan." In-series that was obviously Gokuu living up to an old legend without particularly trying, followed by Trunks being pushed to similar limits, Vegeta aspiring to compete with them, and Gohan reaching it out of necessity (and then having a bigger breakthrough with SSJ2). Adding in an actual Legendary kind of says, "Yeah, none of you are special. Pretty much anyone can do it if they try. But I actually am special." I already have a distaste for all the Saiyan and Super Saiyan focus the series becomes in the later arcs, but at least those characters and their transformations are meaningful. Well, maybe not Kid Trunks and Goten, but they do play their role of comedy relief pretty well. Broli was just born with it, and he's not even funny.

For all the talk about obsessive Broli fanboys, I don't think I ever actually see any of them. Maybe I don't get around enough, or maybe I just don't pay attention. So I don't think that's really a factor for me.

I really should re-watch DBZ Movie 8 at some point. But as it is I just don't like Broli, no matter how maximum his power might be.

[EXBadguy]

Like some other people said here, if the Broly fanboys weren't being his big shlong-suckers and if Broly himself wasn't overexposed to the max, then there wouldn't be that much hate for him. Movie 11 and the AoTS(DAFUQ WERE THEY THINKING!) were unnecessary for him to appear. All of the other media he's appeared in, I really don't care. Cuz I am a Broly fanboy and I'm proud of it! Movie 8 is one of the best DBZ movies ever(though only with FUNi's version)! However, unlike the fanbase, I'm a reasonable one and know his limits while the fanbase thinks he's unstoppable.

After all it isn't just Broly who's getting overexposed, you also have a saiyan who in the actual series, all he did was get disintegrated by a meteor, yet he's been in most of the games too and there's no flak for him, cuz he's cool, right?

[Eire]

Cheers, holds hands and let's go over the rainbow, looking for pots full of golds and unicorns. Free cacti for everyone!

Adding in an actual Legendary kind of says, "Yeah, none of you are special. Pretty much anyone can do it if they try. But I actually am special."

IMHO that's actually opposite- there's nothing special about being born powerful, while forging oneself into living legend despite everything is completely another story.
I frequently compare Goku and Co. to Tiffany Aching from Wee Free Men. Tiffany is one of the strongest and most effective young witches- but after long years of training she learns that she didn't have any power to begin with. Other witches were born with talent, while she "forced" the talent to appear within her because she decided that her village needs one. Similar for Goku and Vegeta- they needed SSJ and they didn't wait, but become ones, not knowing that it should go other way around. I think I like it, it's pretty inspirational for kids.

For all the talk about obsessive Broli fanboys, I don't think I ever actually see any of them. Maybe I don't get around enough, or maybe I just don't pay attention. So I don't think that's really a factor for me.

Because they are fandom subspecies of Yeti- everyone talks about them, but the living one has never been captured to prove their existence There are just us, who calmly re-watch Movie 8 while having hibiscus tea and scones.

Man, I love all those Brolly's threads, they are full of thoughtful, elaborate posts and the most peaceful discussions on this side of 90s nostalgia gropus.

[The Monkey King]

Actually Broly does make an interesting 'dark' counterpart to Goku.

This is because they both take influence from Son Wukong, as Goku gets all the good stuff from Son Wukong's character such as the numbus and nyoi bo, Broly gets the bad things such as being exiled and having a painful power limiting headband. And while they are both OP like Wukong, Goku gets his power slowly at a rate he can manage while Broly gets it all at once and it drives him insane.

Kinda makes me feel bad for him.