"Toei Goku" in Super

[Lord Beerus]

Nothing. It's just that sometimes Toei tends to overemphasize Goku's somewhat anti-heroic characteristics, and it can come across as grating for some fans.

What? Toei more often than not emphasize Goku's heroic characteristics while ignoring his flaws.

TOEI actually goes back-and-forth on that. For example, him stopping in his tracks to eat while getting senzus for Videl or his general attitude in GT.

Oh man. I really didn't Goku in GT. He was such a cocky little shithead.

[Doctor.]

Oh man. I really didn't Goku in GT. He was such a cocky little shithead.

I actually liked Goku in GT. Until some point in the Bebi arc where he said "I'm not a Saiyan. I'm an Earthling!".

[ekrolo2]

Oh man. I really didn't Goku in GT. He was such a cocky little shithead.

I actually liked Goku in GT. Until some point in the Bebi arc where he said "I'm not a Saiyan. I'm an Earthling!".

Was that a dub line? It sounds like one but I haven't gotten there with the JPN version yet.

[Doctor.]

Oh man. I really didn't Goku in GT. He was such a cocky little shithead.

I actually liked Goku in GT. Until some point in the Bebi arc where he said "I'm not a Saiyan. I'm an Earthling!".

Was that a dub line? It sounds like one but I haven't gotten there with the JPN version yet.

Nope.

Made me drop GT when I was re-watching it.

[TheDBZmaster100]

I fear that the U6 arc won't be faithful to Toriyama's draft. So far in Super they skipped out several plot points from BOG.

[DBZAOTA482]

Nope.

Made me drop GT when I was re-watching it.

Really...?! ...Man, I thought Pan's "Girls get stronger when they cry" line was bad.

[Lord Beerus]

I fear that the U6 arc won't be faithful to Toriyama's draft. So far in Super they skipped out several plot points from BOG.

Really? The only plot point that Super have skipped over from the re-telling of BOG is the explanation of why the Pilaf Gang are children.

[LightBing]

I fear that the U6 arc won't be faithful to Toriyama's draft. So far in Super they skipped out several plot points from BOG.

Really? The only plot point that Super have skipped over from the re-telling of BOG is the explanation of why the Pilaf Gang are children.

They also changed the Saiyan God backstory, although that might payoff greatly in the future.

[Lord Beerus]

I fear that the U6 arc won't be faithful to Toriyama's draft. So far in Super they skipped out several plot points from BOG.

Really? The only plot point that Super have skipped over from the re-telling of BOG is the explanation of why the Pilaf Gang are children.

They also changed the Saiyan God backstory, although that might payoff greatly in the future.

To be fair, the whole Good Saiyans vs Bad Saiyans backstory never really became a plot point. It was just exposition.

[Cetra]

Oh man. I really didn't Goku in GT. He was such a cocky little shithead.

I actually liked Goku in GT. Until some point in the Bebi arc where he said "I'm not a Saiyan. I'm an Earthling!".

Was that a dub line? It sounds like one but I haven't gotten there with the JPN version yet.

What people fail to understand though is that his line has nothing to do with "Saiyajin = race" but "person who lived on planet Vegeta and therefore is probably the same kind of jerk". Earthling is also the term for people living on Earth. There are plenty of races living on Earth and all of them are Earthlings, so yes, he is a Saiyajin race-wise but not in terms of what you call those who ever lived on Vegeta and were so horrible.

[LightBing]

To be fair, the whole Good Saiyans vs Bad Saiyans backstory never really became a plot point. It was just exposition.

It does the moment they mention the time-limit of the form. Which appears they will skip; in the preview of next episode Goku's in space and still has SSJG.

[Doctor.]

What people fail to understand though is that his line has nothing to do with "Saiyajin = race" but "person who lived on planet Vegeta and therefore is probably the same kind of jerk". Earthling is also the term for people living on Earth. There are plenty of races living on Earth and all of them are Earthlings, so yes, he is a Saiyajin race-wise but not in terms of what you call those who ever lived on Vegeta and were so horrible.

It doesn't matter, Goku fully accepted his heritage back in the Freeza arc. This is character regression at its finest.

[Faustus]

It's an admittedly poor line, but don't you think dropping the show over it is a li'l much? (although by that point you've already seen the better portion of GT, as far as I'm concerned)

[Doctor.]

It's an admittedly poor line, but don't you think dropping the show over it is a li'l much? (although by that point you've already seen the better portion of GT, as far as I'm concerned)

Well, it's not like I really dropped the show. I already watched it once, I was just re-watching it. That line reminded me of why I disliked GT in the first place.

[Cetra]

This is character regression at its finest.

Except it is not because that is not the context he is talking about. There are lines that are better to complain about like Baby saying he will destroy Goku's body that not even the Dragon Balls could bring him back and not this. Goku also knows that Radditz is his biological brother. Still he does not accept him as his brother in a more metaphorical way. There is not just one context about these things. Goku has accepted his race is that of the Saiyajin. Still it will always remain a fact that he is not the "ordinary Saiyajin = lived on Vegeta was an idiot" but someone raised on Earth. He knows his Saiyajin name is Kakarott. Still he will always see his Earthling name as his name. His body is a Saiyajin. But his heart and mind is more than that. An Earthling that has his Saiyajin instincts. The context of what Goku spoke about with Baby was not troublesome at all.

EDIT: You still don't understand, I see. You are missing the context.

[Neon Z]

Both reactions make sense for Goku. I mean, i can see him being annoyed for getting borrowed powers, but he never complained about fusioning with Vegeta, for instance, even when he thought that would be permanent. So he's not totally adverse to forced power ups if the situation calls, and he loves to fight. Being able to fight on a God level would definitely excite him, at least at first. He could still feel bad in the next episode, who knows. The fight didn't reach that point yet.

Well, he did break the earrings afterwards. We didn't see him complaining after obtaining the power, unlike in BoGs, because it was Vegetto by that point, who wasn't really Goku himself.

[Doctor.]

The context of what Goku spoke about with Baby was not troublesome at all.

How can you even say that? He literally said "I refuse to associate with the Saiyan race". This is what was stated with his line, there's really no other way to interpret this. This is completely different from "I hated you [Vegeta], but you had your Saiyan pride. Now I'm going to share a part of that pride; I was raised on Earth but I'm a Saiyan too". These are two completely different stances on the same thing. Goku hated the Saiyan's rude way of being, but he still accepted his heritage in the Namek arc. In GT, he outright refuses to associate with them. When confronted with the same exact complaint on Namek (by Freeza, no less), he responded with "That's why we perished", he didn't ignore his heritage because their nature didn't suit his taste. GT Goku is a coward, he wanted to avoid taking the blame so he just refused to identify himself as a Saiyan in front of Bebi.

[fadeddreams5]

To be fair, the Namek saga occurs like 27 years before GT (32 in the dub)...

I'm sure in that time, Goku may have reconsidered things. ^.^

[Doctor.]

To be fair, the Namek saga occurs like 27 years before GT (32 in the dub)...

I'm sure in that time, Goku may have reconsidered things. ^.^

Sure you could say he changed his mind, but then the entire arc does a very poor job of showing how this decision affected him and the story. I mean, that's what the Namek and Saiyan arcs did when they introduced the Saiyan race and made them a big plot point. GT does nothing with this line, it didn't treat it as something that could cause character development (either with Goku or Bebi), or something of the sort. And that's because they didn't write it as Goku changing his mind, they wrote it off as a stance Goku supposedly had all along, when that's just not true.

[FortuneSSJ]

Nope.

Made me drop GT when I was re-watching it.

If you dropped your GT rewatching because of this line, you're taking this too seriously.