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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by MozillaVulpix » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:23 am

Man, we can't seem to have a single topic on this forum that doesn't devolve into Super-bashing. (I mean, Goku vs Golden Freeza wasn't particularly interesting, but still...)

Anyway, I'd also have to say Goku vs Majin Vegeta in the manga - the long-awaited rematch that was barely even a rematch. Oh, yes, sure, there was some well-choreographed anime filler, but that was filler, so it had strict limits on what it could accomplish.

You could use the excuse that "oh, it's like Gohan vs Cell, the fight isn't as important as the character development and dramatic moments". But there are no dramatic moments. There's only one conversation between Goku and Vegeta, with no change in stakes or tension because of that.

Also, there were a lot of fights in early Dragon Ball where Goku just effortlessly cruised through his opposition. Sometimes, that started getting stale.
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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:53 am

Gohan vs Cell, definitely. Compared to final fights from all of the arcs, it was the most underwhelmingly executed one. Goku vs Cell was much, much better.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by LuckyCat » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:09 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Well some people I suppose wanted a closer bout, but never got one. For some stomp fights are boring. Though I didn't see 19 vs Vegeta on anyone's list. I think it was a missed opportunity the manga never at least had Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell. Though I suppose that coulda dragged for too long if they did it.
I do agree about the SPC v. Gohan part. There's a lot of action in the curb stomp fight though. I guess I can see how it might be underwhelming, but "most underwhelming" is an overstatement. Remember how cool Piccolo vs. Cell could've been?

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:16 pm

LuckyCat wrote:
rereboy wrote: Fans were expecting to see a good fight. Instead we got:

Rage transformation! Gohan so strong Cell can't do anything! Gohan letting Cell have a chance anyway! Beam struggle! The end.

There was no actual fight basically.
There's a lot of action though. It's not as bad as oh say Gohan vs. Buu. I guess I can see how it's underwhelming, but "most underwhelming" is an overstatement. Remember how cool Piccolo vs. Cell could've been?
Gohan VS Super Buu, even though it shares similar problems, is more enjoyable because it's shorter, Gohan is not letting Buu have a chance and it's not supposed to be the final battle (of the arc). Also, I feel that the action of the fight itself was more dynamic, more pleasing, even though it was totally one-sided. Having action doesn't mean that it's good, satisfying action.

Also, you are forgetting that a big component of something being underwhelming is failing our expectations. This is where Cell vs Gohan is especially underwhelming since it was the conclusion of the arc. People who didn't enjoy it will obviously feel especially let down due to that.
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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:21 pm

LuckyCat wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Well some people I suppose wanted a closer bout, but never got one. For some stomp fights are boring. Though I didn't see 19 vs Vegeta on anyone's list. I think it was a missed opportunity the manga never at least had Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell. Though I suppose that coulda dragged for too long if they did it.
I do agree about the SPC v. Gohan part. There's a lot of action in the curb stomp fight though. I guess I can see how it might be underwhelming, but "most underwhelming" is an overstatement. Remember how cool Piccolo vs. Cell could've been?
I don't think it's most underwhelming, but I can see why it is for some people. I liked it more for the character interaction/reactions during the bout, more than the fight itself. I still enjoyed the stomp fest because I wanted to see Cell go down, but I do dislike that they never had a good even hand to hand bout at least for the final battle.
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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Danfun64 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:27 pm

The ending of the Goku vs Kid Boo fight. Three episodes to charge the Spirit Bomb at the end. At least with the overly long fight with Goku and Freeza was enjoyable.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:55 pm

SSJ God Gogeta wrote:All of Supers fights...
Beerus vs. the 3-eyed alien was pretty good.
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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:12 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:All of Supers fights...
Beerus vs. the 3-eyed alien was pretty good.
Not from what I remember. It wasn't awful but it wasn't anything great either.
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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by pacz360 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:15 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:All of Supers fights...
Beerus vs. the 3-eyed alien was pretty good.
Can't say it was good though imo to me seems like pointless stomp fight.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:26 pm

Every fight with the Evil Dragons in DBGT, minus Omega Syn Shenron, that one was somewhat decent.
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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by saiyanvegetable » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:15 am

I actually enjoyed sper buus curbstomp of gohan. It was brutal and featured what i think was the (one of) best pieces of art and animation in the series. Its a shame we didn't get a kamehameha out if gohan in that episode.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Overlord78 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:03 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:All of Supers fights...
Beerus vs. the 3-eyed alien was pretty good.
It's sad when that fight is better than Golden Freeza vs Goku.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Kuririn Fan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:30 am

Ok, i take that back, Gohan vs Cell is a pretty good fight with a lot of good moments. Most underwhelmingly executed fights are most of the GT ones and all of Supers.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Kuririn Fan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:37 am

MozillaVulpix wrote:Man, we can't seem to have a single topic on this forum that doesn't devolve into Super-bashing. (I mean, Goku vs Golden Freeza wasn't particularly interesting, but still...)

Anyway, I'd also have to say Goku vs Majin Vegeta in the manga - the long-awaited rematch that was barely even a rematch. Oh, yes, sure, there was some well-choreographed anime filler, but that was filler, so it had strict limits on what it could accomplish.

You could use the excuse that "oh, it's like Gohan vs Cell, the fight isn't as important as the character development and dramatic moments". But there are no dramatic moments. There's only one conversation between Goku and Vegeta, with no change in stakes or tension because of that.

Also, there were a lot of fights in early Dragon Ball where Goku just effortlessly cruised through his opposition. Sometimes, that started getting stale.
Well, they were all normal humans, so ofc they were no match for him.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Gorou » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:47 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:Ok, i take that back, Gohan vs Cell is a pretty good fight with a lot of good moments. Most underwhelmingly executed fights are most of the GT ones and all of Supers.
In the manga, Gohan (ssj2) vs Cell is a total disappointment. In the anime it is much better: Cell, before losing his mind, try to turn the situation using all the techniques that have (kiezan, Makankosappo etc.). Also is more interesting because you see he in terror (Goku promise to "do angered Gohan, so you can try the terror for the first time).

Even the final battle is much more apocalyptic, with the intervention of Piccolo, Krilin, Tenshinhan etc.
I tend to favor the manga in almost every aspect, but here, and in many other battles of the Buu saga (Goku vs Vegeta, Dabura vs Gohan, Goku vs Kid Buu), are forced to admit that Toei have imported significant improvements.

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Re: Most underwhelmingly executed fights

Post by Kuririn Fan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:49 am

Gorou wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:Ok, i take that back, Gohan vs Cell is a pretty good fight with a lot of good moments. Most underwhelmingly executed fights are most of the GT ones and all of Supers.
In the manga, Gohan (ssj2) vs Cell is a total disappointment. In the anime it is much better: Cell, before losing his mind, try to turn the situation using all the techniques that have (kiezan, Makankosappo etc.). Also is more interesting because you see he in terror (Goku promise to "do angered Gohan, so you can try the terror for the first time).

Even the final battle is much more apocalyptic, with the intervention of Piccolo, Krilin, Tenshinhan etc.
I tend to favor the manga in almost every aspect, but here, and in many other battles of the Buu saga (Goku vs Vegeta, Dabura vs Gohan, Goku vs Kid Buu), are forced to admit that Toei have imported significant improvements.
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