Copy-Vegeta arc or the Garlic Jr. arc?

[TekTheNinja]

Alright. In that case Toei WOULD ignore something. I don't think Toyotaro would though, but we'll see maybe.

[Miracles]

That doesn't mean it was in Toriyama's outline. Z referenced filler in canon arc all the time.

True; it also was not mentioned that it isn't in Toriyama's outline.
The fact is, Super anime is canon. The copy arc is Dragon ball Super.

Do you REALLY think Toriyama wrote that? It didn't feel like something written by him at all.

Besides, if it isn't in both the manga and the anime that means it WASN'T in the outline since I'd be surprised if either side would see something in the outline and just completely ignore it.

Who knows if Toriyama wrote it.
The truth is, Super anime is canon and the Vegeta copy arc is Dragonball Super.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Copy-Vegeta for me, it's shorter , therefore faster to finish.

[TekTheNinja]

True; it also was not mentioned that it isn't in Toriyama's outline.
The fact is, Super anime is canon. The copy arc is Dragon ball Super.

Do you REALLY think Toriyama wrote that? It didn't feel like something written by him at all.

Besides, if it isn't in both the manga and the anime that means it WASN'T in the outline since I'd be surprised if either side would see something in the outline and just completely ignore it.

Who knows if Toriyama wrote it.
The truth is, Super anime is canon and the Vegeta copy arc is Dragonball Super.

No. Not necessarily. This [spoiler]Hit stuff[/spoiler] probably isn't canon either.

[Miracles]

Do you REALLY think Toriyama wrote that? It didn't feel like something written by him at all.

Besides, if it isn't in both the manga and the anime that means it WASN'T in the outline since I'd be surprised if either side would see something in the outline and just completely ignore it.

Who knows if Toriyama wrote it.
The truth is, Super anime is canon and the Vegeta copy arc is Dragonball Super.

No. Not necessarily. This [spoiler]Hit stuff[/spoiler] probably isn't canon either.

What's you're proof?
Dragonball Super is canon, this "Hit stuff" is Dragonball Super, therefore canon.
Until stated otherwise, it is.

[TekTheNinja]

Who knows if Toriyama wrote it.
The truth is, Super anime is canon and the Vegeta copy arc is Dragonball Super.

No. Not necessarily. This [spoiler]Hit stuff[/spoiler] probably isn't canon either.

What's you're proof?
Dragonball Super is canon, this "Hit stuff" is Dragonball Super, therefore canon.
Until stated otherwise, it is.

Things written by Toriyama are canon. Where's YOUR proof that Toriyama wrote it?

[Miracles]

No. Not necessarily. This [spoiler]Hit stuff[/spoiler] probably isn't canon either.

What's you're proof?
Dragonball Super is canon, this "Hit stuff" is Dragonball Super, therefore canon.
Until stated otherwise, it is.

Things written by Toriyama are canon. Where's YOUR proof that Toriyama wrote it?

Toriyama already stated Dragonball Super IS canon and he writes/oversees outlines and the show.
You are saying certain arcs in the Super anime [which is canon] are possibly not canon.
You have to provide proof to contradict the established truth.

[TekTheNinja]

What's you're proof?
Dragonball Super is canon, this "Hit stuff" is Dragonball Super, therefore canon.
Until stated otherwise, it is.

Things written by Toriyama are canon. Where's YOUR proof that Toriyama wrote it?

Toriyama already stated Dragonball Super IS canon.
You are saying certain arcs in the Super anime [which is canon] are possibly not canon.
You have to provide proof to contradict the established truth.

Yes, and Dragon Ball Z is canon too, but not ALL of it. Just because super is canon doesn't mean ALL OF IT is canon, especially since Super has both a manga and an anime with major differences and neither one being the original, making Super's canon fucked to begin with. But seriously, it seems pretty clear that the filler in between major arcs is just to buy time for the stuff actually written by Toriyama to finish. There's no real proof either way, but it seems like common sense as of now to believe the in-between arc filler is non-canon especially if you compare it with DB and DBZ filler where it's basically the same type of stuff. Note the the status quo is never altered even in the slightest by this filler. It kinda goes to show that it's pure Toei work as to not contradict anything Toriyama writes, just like back in the day.

[Miracles]

Things written by Toriyama are canon. Where's YOUR proof that Toriyama wrote it?

Toriyama already stated Dragonball Super IS canon.
You are saying certain arcs in the Super anime [which is canon] are possibly not canon.
You have to provide proof to contradict the established truth.

Yes, and Dragon Ball Z is canon too, but not ALL of it. Just because super is canon doesn't mean ALL OF IT is canon, especially since Super has both a manga and an anime with major differences and neither one being the original, making Super's canon fucked to begin with. But seriously, it seems pretty clear that the filler in between major arcs is just to buy time for the stuff actually written by Toriyama to finish. There's no real proof either way, but it seems like common sense as of now to believe the in-between arc filler is non-canon especially if you compare it with DB and DBZ filler where it's basically the same type of stuff. Note the the status quo is never altered even in the slightest by this filler. It kinda goes to show that it's pure Toei work as to not contradict anything Toriyama writes, just like back in the day.

Still no proof, just maybe's.
I will stay with what Toriyama said, which is what matters.

[SaiyanGod117]

The Garlic Jr arc is better of the two, the action scenes it provided substantially puts it over the Copy Vegeta arc. Another positive, is how it made some of the side characters not look so helpless without Goku.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Copy-Vegeta arc was mostly pointless and an ass-pull so I'd rather choose the Garlic Jr. arc. At least the Garlic Jr. arc was mildly entertaining. I don't like that Vegeta wasn't in it but enjoyed Gohan being the one to finish it off.

[TekTheNinja]

Toriyama already stated Dragonball Super IS canon.
You are saying certain arcs in the Super anime [which is canon] are possibly not canon.
You have to provide proof to contradict the established truth.

Yes, and Dragon Ball Z is canon too, but not ALL of it. Just because super is canon doesn't mean ALL OF IT is canon, especially since Super has both a manga and an anime with major differences and neither one being the original, making Super's canon fucked to begin with. But seriously, it seems pretty clear that the filler in between major arcs is just to buy time for the stuff actually written by Toriyama to finish. There's no real proof either way, but it seems like common sense as of now to believe the in-between arc filler is non-canon especially if you compare it with DB and DBZ filler where it's basically the same type of stuff. Note the the status quo is never altered even in the slightest by this filler. It kinda goes to show that it's pure Toei work as to not contradict anything Toriyama writes, just like back in the day.

Still no proof, just maybe's.
I will stay with what Toriyama said, which is what matters.

So you have no counter argument? And no. The copy Vegeta arc isn't "Toriyama's word".

[Miracles]

Yes, and Dragon Ball Z is canon too, but not ALL of it. Just because super is canon doesn't mean ALL OF IT is canon, especially since Super has both a manga and an anime with major differences and neither one being the original, making Super's canon fucked to begin with. But seriously, it seems pretty clear that the filler in between major arcs is just to buy time for the stuff actually written by Toriyama to finish. There's no real proof either way, but it seems like common sense as of now to believe the in-between arc filler is non-canon especially if you compare it with DB and DBZ filler where it's basically the same type of stuff. Note the the status quo is never altered even in the slightest by this filler. It kinda goes to show that it's pure Toei work as to not contradict anything Toriyama writes, just like back in the day.

Still no proof, just maybe's.
I will stay with what Toriyama said, which is what matters.

So you have no counter argument? And no. The copy Vegeta arc isn't "Toriyama's word".

Toriyama's word is, Super is canon and the copy Vegeta arc is super anime, thus canon. Until told otherwise by Toriyama, it is set in stone.

[Anime Kitten]

Toriyama's word is, Super is canon and the copy Vegeta arc is super anime, thus canon. Until told otherwise by Toriyama, it is set in stone.

When did Mr. Toriyama say this?

[Saturnine]

The Commeson arc was honestly not that terrible. Also, it only lasted 3 episodes, which works to its advantage if you don't like it

My biggest gripe is that this arc brings back Saiyan Beyond God again, while the U6 arc seemed to ditch it, only adding to the confusion with the two bases. I mean, it should have been that way all the time, I'm not used to the writers of filler actually understanding Toriyama's intentions better than the writers of "canon" episodes, lol.

[Miracles]

Toriyama's word is, Super is canon and the copy Vegeta arc is super anime, thus canon. Until told otherwise by Toriyama, it is set in stone.

When did Mr. Toriyama say this?

“Dragon Ball Super” is a complete continuation of the Majin Boo story arc...."

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/07/01/dr ... ries-plot/

[TekTheNinja]

Still no proof, just maybe's.
I will stay with what Toriyama said, which is what matters.

So you have no counter argument? And no. The copy Vegeta arc isn't "Toriyama's word".

Toriyama's word is, Super is canon and the copy Vegeta arc is super anime, thus canon. Until told otherwise by Toriyama, it is set in stone.

That's not truth at all, but obviously you won't look at it from any other perspective than that flawed point of view, so whatever. Believe whatever you want.

[dbs fanboy]

While nobody has any proof of what was done by Toriyama or not, i doubt this arc was made by him, because by the time he was working with the FT Trunks arc so i don't think he was also doing that mini filler arc.