Would you call Akira Toriyama a revolutionary 90s artist?

[Gog]

I think it would've continued to be an adventure manga and we never would've gotten the battle centric arcs that we have or at least not the way we have them.

Dragon Ball was destined to evolve into an action-focused story. His initial tale wasn't popular enough to begin with. Planning, which isn't like Toriyama, wouldn't benefit him.

And then the Tenka’ichi Budōkai began. But why did you do that sort of a development?
Up until the Tenka’ichi Budōkai began, the series hadn’t been all that popular. That’s what Torishima-san had told me. “Your protagonist is rather plain. That’s why it’s not popular.”, he said. Personally, since I was doing a fighting story for this series, I had intentionally made the protagonist’s clothing excessively plain. So this annoyed me, but then I figured it out. “Well, let’s increase its popularity” I thought. When I had designed Goku’s character, the words that best represented him were “I want to become strong”. So I thought I’d bring that to the front. Even during “Dr. Slump”, the tournament-like events such as the Penguin Village Gran Prix or the Mini-Event had been amazingly popular. So I’d simply make the story into a tournament format. From there the Tenka’ichi Budōkai was born. I temporarily withdrew the other characters besides Goku, brought back Kame-Sen’nin, and added Kuririn as a new character. From there it got popular before I knew it.

I'd recommend reading the rest of the article. Once he penned the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai arc, he always carried some ideas of further escalation.

Yeah, I'm glad that it involved into the battle centric manga that we all know and love (besides cell arc/Android arc) to this very day. It just, their wasn't much potential when it started off, or if it continued as an adventure manga

[sintzu]

It just, their wasn't much potential when it started off, or if it continued as an adventure manga

It's hard to believe it turned out the way it did.

Not only did the change to battles make it one of the most popular and successful franchises ever made but it lead to the creation of other great franchises like Naruto and One Piece.

[Gog]

It just, their wasn't much potential when it started off, or if it continued as an adventure manga

It's hard to believe it turned out the way it did.

Not only did the change to battles make it one of the most popular and successful franchises ever made but it lead to the creation of other great franchises like Naruto and One Piece.

Naruto, great *snerk, snerk, snerk*. But nah man, just having a joke.

Shiduppen on the other hand

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Shiduppen on the other hand

I actually prefer Shippuden cause it gave Sasuke his own adventure and villains which is something I'd love to see Vegeta get.

[Gog]

Shiduppen on the other hand

I actually prefer Shippuden cause it gave Sasuke his own adventure and villains which is something I'd love to see Vegeta get.

The difference being is that, Vegeta isn't a repulsive little creator's pet, and doesn't make me go insane with hatred

[sintzu]

The difference being is that, Vegeta isn't a repulsive little creator's pet.

unfortunately.

You have to give Kishimoto credit for doing what he did with him and other characters, it's something we'll never see in DB or One piece.

Vegeta, Piccolo (poor Piccolo), Zoro, Sanji, ect. will always be in Goku and Luffy's shadows while Sasuke, Kakashi, Jiraya and others were their own characters who got to be in the spotlight more than once and weren't limited to being Naruto's underdogs.

[Gog]

The difference being is that, Vegeta isn't a repulsive little creator's pet.

unfortunately.

You have to give Kishimoto credit for doing what he did with him and other characters, it's something we'll never see in DB or One piece.

Vegeta, Piccolo (poor Piccolo), Zoro, Sanji, ect. will always be in Goku and Luffy's shadows while Sasuke, Kakashi, Jiraya and others were their own characters who got to be in the spotlight more than once and weren't limited to being Naruto's underdogs.

No, if he try's and fails, then he should get a kick in the nuts, not a pat on the back. Dragon ball SUPER has been using the cast, more so than both of the too other series combined.

Nah, Vegeta has risen out of Goku's shadow. And yes poor Piccolo, is still in his shadow, its been the same ever since the Freeza saga. Sanji's is a sexist little twerp, and never should rise past Luffy's shadow. Unless he gets some character development

[sintzu]

Vegeta has risen out of Goku's shadow.

Vegeta has gotten better treatment but he's still very much in his shadow.

Goku got the final and main battle with Beerus while Vegeta was just watching.
Although Vegeta beat Freeza, Goku still got the kill and was considered the hero who saved earth.
During Champa's tournament Vegeta got to fight nobodies then got his behind kicked by Hit only for Goku to figure out his fighting style and get the main battle with him.

[Gog]

Vegeta has risen out of Goku's shadow.

Vegeta has gotten better treatment but he's still very much in his shadow.

Goku got the final and main battle with Beerus while Vegeta was just watching.
Although Vegeta beat Freeza, Goku still got the kill and was considered the hero who saved earth.
During Champa's tournament Vegeta got to fight nobodies then got his behind kicked by Hit only for Goku to figure out his fighting style and get the main battle with him.

I'm going to be honest, if Vegeta was acting as assholish as he did, and he killed and beat up a weaker opponent (Freeza), defeat hit, and did everything Goku did.

He would plummet down to my disliked list, as Vegeta has to have a humiliation conga, every saga, its the best way to make him likeable.