What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

[Grimlock]

actually beerus did not believe that goku is capable of defeating him even the current one

I think you're just being very literal about it. In that image, Beerus is merely judging by the appearance. Beerus does not know the full extent of Goku's power, and it's safe to say he also didn't know Freeza's full power (since Freeza himself said no one had seen his second or third form, don't remember which one he referred to). You just can't take everything too literal.

Not counting Whis obviously, to Beerus Freeza was the strongest being out there (and considering there's no evidence he knew about Majin Buu), so it makes sense that he wouldn't believe that there was someone out there who managed to defeat Freeza, and in fact, there wasn't, until Goku had to transform at that time period. That doesn't mean Goku will forever stay behind Freeza. That's simply not how Dragon Ball works. It's all about progression, getting stronger. We're talking about a Goku after Cell saga and after Majin Buu saga, sixteen years had passed, after all the fights and training, yeah, Movie 14 base Goku is more than enough to defeat Freeza from Freeza saga. It's nonsense and utterly unconceivable to think otherwise.

[theherodjl]

1. The potara lasts only an hour as opposed to indefinitely for non-Shinjin/non-Kaioshin.
This made Rou Kaioshin look ignorant of the very device responsible for his appearance and he was supposed to be the most knowledgeable being in the story at the time. There never was any "bad air" within Boo that caused Goku & Vegeta's fusion to separate, just a bad recon to prevent Vegetto from defeating Zamasu so that Zeno could 'save' the day.

2. Pure Boo had God Ki/Godly magic within him.
I don't like this. It adds more confusion to Boo's split as we don't know if one particular Boo held it the entire time or if it got hot potato'd between his forms.

3. Kaio-ken stacked with the regular SSJ forms would have been a lethal combination, which is why Goku never used it in DBZ(except for a one-time filler instance).
Really? Goku needed to learn better Ki control with a vastly more powerful SSJ form in order to properly use Kaio-ken again? He had already mastered SSJ to the point in which anger & Ki-instability was no longer a thing, yet Goku needed more power to learn to use Kaio-ken again?

[Lord Beerus]

When it comes to inconsistencies I'd say a large chunk of the anime (like 80% of it) and decent portion of the manga (like 40%).

As far as retcons go, nothing legitimately bothers me more than Dragon Ball Minus. It's one of the worst pieces of content to ever come out of the franchise, if not, THE wrost.

[pepd]

-Didn't want to expand on it or just hate on it, but since others have expanded on it a little, the anime in general.
Not really retcons or inconsistencies, but since a lot of what people mentions are not actually retcons/inconsistencies anyways:
-Freeza mentioning SSG (the only thing that bothers me of Minus)
-The legendary SS that matches SS Kale that Kyabe and Califla mentioned
-Jīmizu (U2 Yardrat)

-Design changes from the original DB manga (like color)

[Daisetsu]

Just remembered another strange retcon: that Shin and every kaioshin knows teleportation. I feel like Toriyama forgot that this was actually the technique of Kibito back in Z.

I'm honestly surprised people still think this. The "Kai-Kai" teleportation has always been Kaioshin's technique, never Kibito's.

[Magnificent Ponta]

Just remembered another strange retcon: that Shin and every kaioshin knows teleportation. I feel like Toriyama forgot that this was actually the technique of Kibito back in Z.

I'm honestly surprised people still think this. The "Kai-Kai" teleportation has always been Kaioshin's technique, never Kibito's.

The fused Shin offers to take Dende to Namek via teleportation so he can gather the Dragon Balls in DB #509, and specifically says "It's Kibito's ability".

[Jack Bz]

Just remembered another strange retcon: that Shin and every kaioshin knows teleportation. I feel like Toriyama forgot that this was actually the technique of Kibito back in Z.

I'm honestly surprised people still think this. The "Kai-Kai" teleportation has always been Kaioshin's technique, never Kibito's.

What makes you say this? It's Kibito's technique, he's the one who teleports Gohan back to earth to fight boo.

[Skar]

1. The potara lasts only an hour as opposed to indefinitely for non-Shinjin/non-Kaioshin.
This made Rou Kaioshin look ignorant of the very device responsible for his appearance and he was supposed to be the most knowledgeable being in the story at the time. There never was any "bad air" within Boo that caused Goku & Vegeta's fusion to separate, just a bad recon to prevent Vegetto from defeating Zamasu so that Zeno could 'save' the day.

I think one way to judge if a retcon is necessary or makes more sense than the original explanation is how far fans have to go to explain it away. When Vegetto defused inside Buu, Goku said it was due to the "bad air" so the only assumption we need to make is that Buu's magic somehow was overriding the magic of the Potara. Now fans have to explain away why Old Kai had no idea that Potara had an hour time limit for mortals this entire time. It's likely something Toriyama overlooked otherwise he would've explained why Old Kai didn't know about it. For example, the destruction of Planet Vegeta was retconned from a meteor to Freeza being responsible. This change was acknowledged in the story that Freeza wanted to hide the truth from the Saiyans and told them it was a meteor.

I can't say there's any retcon in DBS that I did like and I think most could've been left unchanged with little impact to the story. If Toriyama thought these needed to be explained then he likely would've done it back then not decades later in a sequel he didn't plan to make. I feel that's a common problem in sequels that come many years after the original ended since the author might look back and decide to explain something but overlook details that conflict with the new explanation. Toriyama admits to having bad memory while working on the original manga so it's likely going to be worse when he returns to the series a few decades later. I try to keep that in mind so I don't get too worked up or rack my brain trying to come up with my own headcanon .

[SupremeKai25]

I think the "Potara only lasts 1 hour on mortals" plot point makes complete sense logic-wise and actually makes the Gods look really smart. The Potara is meant to be the ultimate technique of the Gods, but there's always the risk that such power might fall into the hands of undeserving mortals. By having the Potara only last 1 hour with mortals, the Gods have like some form of insurance policy, because it means mortals can never bring out the full potential of fusion. It's a smart design decision.

Maybe it's a retcon writing-wise, but I appreciate it. A retcon doesn't have to be bad.

[Skar]

Maybe it's a retcon writing-wise, but I appreciate it. A retcon doesn't have to be bad.

I didn't say all retcons are bad just that sometimes you have to explain away more than you would need to if they had stuck with the original explanation. Mortal races rarely come into contact with the Kaioshin and it would be even less likely that they would know the earrings are more than just a nice accessory. Caulifa stole the U6 Kaioshin's earrings in the manga but that was only possible because he was out gathering participants and she had to be told what they were for.

[SupremeKai25]

Maybe it's a retcon writing-wise, but I appreciate it. A retcon doesn't have to be bad.

I didn't say all retcons are bad just that sometimes you have to explain away more than you would need to if they had stuck with the original explanation. Mortal races rarely come into contact with the Kaioshin and it would be even less likely that they would know the earrings are more than just a nice accessory. Caulifa stole the U6 Kaioshin's earrings in the manga but that was only possible because he was out gathering participants and she had to be told what they were for.

But when mortal races do come into contact with the Kais it often means trouble. Universe 7 alone had to deal with Bibidi and Buu (and then Babidi and his minions), as well as Moro and his minions (who have a lot of intel on the Gods), and that's just one universe. I imagine the other universes also had problems with dangerous mortals in the past. You can never be too safe when it comes to dealing with mortals.

[Skar]

But when mortal races do come into contact with the Kais it often means trouble. Universe 7 alone had to deal with Bibidi and Buu (and then Babidi and his minions), as well as Moro and his minions (who have a lot of intel on the Gods), and that's just one universe. I imagine the other universes also had problems with dangerous mortals in the past. You can never be too safe when it comes to dealing with mortals.

Considering U7 had the second lowest mortal score, the other Gods of Destruction are likely more active in taking care of major threats. The only universe even worse off than U7 is U9 because their GoD doesn't do his job at all. If Beerus took his job seriously for a few minutes in the span of several million years to deal with Moro and Buu, U7 would've had a higher score. As far as we know, the only beings to threaten the entire multiverse weren't mortals but a renegade Kaioshin and Zeno when he's in a bad mood.

[Daisetsu]

What makes you say this?

The fact that Kaioshin is the one that says "kai-kai" when teleporting Gohan, not Kibito.

[Magnificent Ponta]

What makes you say this?

The fact that Kaioshin is the one that says "kai-kai" when teleporting Gohan, not Kibito.

To be honest, that really isn't enough to convincingly set against an instance of Kibito using the teleportation without Shin, and the explicit statement that teleportation is Kibito's ability...

[Jack Bz]

What makes you say this?

The fact that Kaioshin is the one that says "kai-kai" when teleporting Gohan, not Kibito.

I just re-read that section, and to me it's absolutely not clear who is even saying it out of the two of them:



But despite that, Kibito later teleports Gohan to earth without Shin, then teleports back to the Kaioshin planet by himself, then the Kibitoshin fusion calls it Kibito's technique later on. It's very clear and not ambiguous at all that it's his technique.

[Koitsukai]

Oh yes the potara retcon. It makes Ro Kaioshin look like an utter amateur. You'd think he would know EVERYTHING there is to know about the earrings after being part of one against his will.

Turns real tension of never defusing into a red herring... 20 years later. While also removing interest for a future fusion placing a limit for the power it can harness. So not only explains what happened inside of Buu(with a more than convenient time table, they were 10 seconds away from actually fucking it all up!), it renders the fusion useless for the main guys because they have grown out of it, sort of speak. They are too strong for it, unless using Omen or UI.

However I think Toyo is to blame. He wanted Vegito back, so he is behind shoehorning him into the plot. We can't tell who came up with that retcon, but it seems like they didn't even try. Something like IN A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE THE FUSION ISN'T FOREVER, or giving them Gowasu's potara and be that the reason why they will defuse. Some crappy small print regarding inter-universe fusion or something, but no, they went with OH FORGET EVERTHING YOU WERE TOLD, IT WAS WRONG.

[SupremeKai25]

In hindsight that retcon was unnecessary. Even if the fusion lasted forever, it would end if the earring broke. This is shown when Goku's kamehameha breaks Kefla's earrings, causing her to unfuse. So maybe Fused Zamasu, who was already on Vegito's level and actually damaged him several times, could've found a way to break the potara and thus end the fusion. Especially since Vegito is very cocky and careless, I'm sure Zamasu could've gotten a cheap shot at his earrings. And done, Zamasu manages to overcome Vegito without the need for any retcon.

[LoganForkHands73]

I just prefer the idea that Potara Fusion is permanent. It distinguishes it from Fusion Dance in a major way. I always liked the idea that the booster is stronger and it's easier to perform under pressure -- no embarrassing dance rehearsals, no need to bother with maintaining the same power level, just stick an earring on and bob's yer uncle -- but there's that huge price to pay of having to live with it forever. Unless you have Dragon Balls or Buu's magic methane, then you can get away with it like Goku and Vegeta in the original story.

But yeah, I too find it totally unnecessary and I kinda wish it never happened. All just to bring Vegetto back for an underwhelming glorified cameo? Please. If it also means no Kefla, so be it. But then again, wouldn't it be cool if Kefla stayed fused permanently after the tournament ended?

The one idea from the DB Multiverse fan comic I actually like is the "what if Vegetto never defused?" scenario. His life is basically ruined because he has no more challenge or motivation, showcasing that although Potara Fusion is awesome, it has a potentially massive downside for the Saiyans. Granted, the comic takes it in a distastefully extreme direction -- his psychotic personality, him constantly needing to feed on Senzu or he'll starve to death, everything surrounding "Son Bra" -- but I digress.

[TobyS]

Just remembered another strange retcon: that Shin and every kaioshin knows teleportation. I feel like Toriyama forgot that this was actually the technique of Kibito back in Z.

I always assumed he got it from being merged with Kibito for so long. Specifically using it while fused and thus remembering how to do it.

It doesn't say it but like he can't do it, merges with the guy who can, does it. and then unfuses and continues to do it... seems pretty straightforward chain of events.

I know toriyama forgets stuff but it's uncharitable to assume every little thing is a mistake just because he doesn't patronise the audience by spelling every little thing out.

[TobyS]

I just prefer the idea that Potara Fusion is permanent. It distinguishes it from Fusion Dance in a major way. I always liked the idea that the booster is stronger and it's easier to perform under pressure -- no embarrassing dance rehearsals, no need to bother with maintaining the same power level, just stick an earring on and bob's yer uncle -- but there's that huge price to pay of having to live with it forever. Unless you have Dragon Balls or Buu's magic methane, then you can get away with it like Goku and Vegeta in the original story.

But yeah, I too find it totally unnecessary and I kinda wish it never happened. All just to bring Vegetto back for an underwhelming glorified cameo? Please. If it also means no Kefla, so be it. But then again, wouldn't it be cool if Kefla stayed fused permanently after the tournament ended?

The one idea from the DB Multiverse fan comic I actually like is the "what if Vegetto never defused?" scenario. His life is basically ruined because he has no more challenge or motivation, showcasing that although Potara Fusion is awesome, it has a potentially massive downside for the Saiyans. Granted, the comic takes it in a distastefully extreme direction -- his psychotic personality, him constantly needing to feed on Senzu or he'll starve to death, everything surrounding "Son Bra" -- but I digress.

The senzu bean thing is dumb as hell, there's nothing really to indicate that food need scales with power, otherwise Goku would be starving based on the proportional difference between him and a regular guy already.

And needing more than one bean or more than one namek to heal is also stupid wank that felt like a kid came up with it.
Like the dragons cant affect people stronger than them but Porunga is able to heal Buu saga Goku easily who's already stronger than him. Kibitoshin can heal Vegeta and Mr Buu... it's silly.

Dende can heal ultimate Gohan EZ.