Gine Appreciation Thread.

[Zephyr]

Given that her name-drop and character description in a Toriyama Q&A comfortably pre-dates her actual first appearance in Minus, I see no reason not to assume she shouldn't retroactively be considered the real Bardock's wife/mate too, and simply went unseen and unnamed in the original TV special.

I'm not sure how 'comfortable' a two-month pre-date is (February 2014 for the Q&A, April 2014 for Minus). Besides, her name-drop and description in that interview are paired with the reveal that she'd be appearing in the bonus chapter.

[MasenkoHA]

Besides, having Goku be sent to Earth for his own safety kind of just raises the question of why Bardock and Gine apparently lied to Raditz about why they sent his brother to Earth.

I just kind of assumed Raditz misunderstood. He was also recalling information from twenty years ago so he may just of had faulty memories.

It is a bit odd he didn't tell Goku that their parents sent him to earth though

Vegeta tells Goku that he was exiled to do shit jobs because he was weak.

If that's the narrative Vegeta had then for sure Raditz, who hanged with Vegeta was on the same page with that idea. Meaning, yes his parents simply lied to him. And I don't see why that would be odd if the whole point was to hide Goku lol. Again, Raditz hanged with Vegeta and they don't need risking that information get to that malicious kid and possibly his father

What gives Vegeta more credibility than Raditz exactly? Gine tells Raditz they sent Goku to earth. Raditz assumes they sent him there to conquer it and Vegeta makes the same assumption based on their culture.

Yeah, Gine could have lied to Raditz but nothing really says Raditz didn't draw his own conclusions and Vegeta followed suit.

[dva_raza]

What gives Vegeta more credibility than Raditz exactly?

I dunno, cause I don't think Vegeta ever lies in a context like that. When he's speaking directly he doesn't hide his feelings even when it makes him look like an utter loser. In his Majin rant he had no issue saying he thinks Goku is better than him, that he got possessed on purpose, etc. So when he's ranting about why Goku was sent to Earth he seemed like he was convinced on that narrative, not that he was hiding that in fact Goku wasn't actually exiled and just saved.

Gine tells Raditz they sent Goku to earth. Raditz assumes they sent him there to conquer it and Vegeta makes the same assumption based on their culture.
Yeah, Gine could have lied to Raditz but nothing really says Raditz didn't draw his own conclusions and Vegeta followed suit.

Raditz drawing his own conclusions is exactly what his parents would try to avoid, on top of the notion of Gine vaguely telling him they sent his brother to Earth without elaborating on anything seems odd

[MasenkoHA]

I dunno, cause I don't think Vegeta ever lies in a context like that.

Being misinformed and making assumptions =/= lying

Raditz drawing his own conclusions is exactly what his parents would try to avoid, on top of the notion of Gine vaguely telling him they sent his brother to Earth without elaborating on anything seems odd

And Gine straight up lying to Raditz doesn't seem odd?

[dva_raza]

And Gine straight up lying to Raditz doesn't seem odd?

No? I already said I don't think it is.

If the whole purpose of sending Goku away was to hide him I don't see how it's a good idea to tell the secret to a child (even if it's her son) who also happens to hang around Vegeta on a regular basis.

[WittyUsername]

And Gine straight up lying to Raditz doesn't seem odd?

No? I already said I don't think it is.

If the whole purpose of sending Goku away was to hide him I don't see how it's a good idea to tell the secret to a child (even if it's her son) who also happens to hang around Vegeta on a regular basis.

If the fear is that Raditz will tell Vegeta, who will in turn tell Freeza, then they might as well have just not informed Raditz that they sent his brother to Earth at all. At least if they were honest to Raditz, he would know that Freeza isn’t to be trusted, and would be less likely to recruit Goku to also work for Freeza.

[MasenkoHA]

And Gine straight up lying to Raditz doesn't seem odd?

No? I already said I don't think it is.

If the whole purpose of sending Goku away was to hide him I don't see how it's a good idea to tell the secret to a child (even if it's her son) who also happens to hang around Vegeta on a regular basis.

Who said anything about hiding Goku? We know she told Raditz they sent him to earth. She very obviously was not trying to hide Goku, at least not from his brother.

[LoganForkHands73]

In Broly, Raditz has knowledge that his parents sent Kakarrot away, he just doesn't care enough to question the details and assumes that his brother was sent away for the standard reasons, i.e. to wipe out the population when he comes of age. The idea that Bardock and Gine would send their son away purely for compassionate reasons doesn't seem to cross his mind at all (maybe Gine told him the reasons but he didn't listen).

Right, time to actually address Gine, lol. Can't really add much, honestly, she's just okay. Like many people, I wish she had more personality traits besides being a kindly housewife. At the very least, I felt for her when she broke down crying as Kakarrot's pod flew away.

[dva_raza]

If the fear is that Raditz will tell Vegeta, who will in turn tell Freeza, then they might as well have just not informed Raditz that they sent his brother to Earth at all.

Um no..how would that even work? What would they say when Raditz asks where his brother is? Lol.

Who said anything about hiding Goku?

What..? What do you mean? Why else did Bardock hurry to send Goku to Earth in the middle of the night? I thought it was to secretly save him. And not understanding how you're not following about Gine. I'm saying Gine lied to Raditz about the motive for which they sent Goku to Earth. What she told him, is that it was for Goku to conquer a planet better suited for him. The reality was, it was to hide Goku from a threat that was next to come.
That way Raditz maintains a notion that Goku hasn't been detached from the FF (and risking it getting to King Vegeta or Frieza and them wanting to retrieve Goku).

[MasenkoHA]

If the fear is that Raditz will tell Vegeta, who will in turn tell Freeza, then they might as well have just not informed Raditz that they sent his brother to Earth at all.

Um no..how would that even work? What would they say when Raditz asks where his brother is? Lol.

Hard to ask dead people anything.

Like, they sent Goku to earth because Bardock had a hunch that Freeza had nefarious intentions when he called all the Saiyans back to Vegeta. Gine even told Goku that if Bardock was wrong they'd come back for him.

Kind of seems like Gine told Raditz about Goku going to earth in case something did happen on planet Vegeta.

What..? What do you mean? Why else did Bardock hurry to send Goku to Earth in the middle of the night? I thought it was to secretly save him. And not understanding how you're not following about Gine. I'm saying Gine lied to Raditz about the motive for which they sent Goku to Earth. What she told him, is that it was for Goku to conquer a planet better suited for him. The reality was, it was to hide Goku from a threat that was next to come.
That way Raditz maintains a notion that Goku hasn't been detached from the FF (and risking it getting to King Vegeta or Frieza and them wanting to retrieve Goku).

Yeah nothing about that makes any sense.

She told Raditz that they sent Goku to earth. She certainly wasn't trying to hide him from his brother.

What exactly does lying to Raditz accomplish? If you think she was worried he'd sell his brother out to the Freeza Force seems like she just wouldn't have said anything to him. The way things were going either they were gonna be dead (negating the need to answer any questions Raditz had about his brother's whereabouts) or they were going to come back for Goku themselves.

[dva_raza]

Hard to ask dead people anything.

Are you for real? She wasn't like, actually planning to be dead, wtf. She considered Bardocks hunch obvioously, that doesn't mean she knew for a fact that she wouldn't see Radtiz again.
So no, I don't see the logic in her not saying anything with the possibility of Raditz asking either way. Seems absolutely nonsensical.

She told Raditz that they sent Goku to earth. She certainly wasn't trying to hide him from his brother.

Dude. The hiding isn't her omitting telling Raditz Goku was sent away. The hiding is simply her giving a reason that wouldn't raise suspicion.

What exactly does lying to Raditz accomplish?

Exactly what I said. Raditz having a notion that Goku is on mission and not that he has been secretly detached from the FF (therefore not risking him telling Vegeta and Vegeta telling King Vegeta or Frieza).
Like do you honestly not see why they wouldn't want Frieza to find out?

[MasenkoHA]

Hard to ask dead people anything.

Are you for real? She wasn't like, actually planning to be dead, wtf.
So no, I don't see the logic in her not saying if Raditz would obviously ask either way. Seems absolutely nonsensical.

When did I say she was planning on being dead?

Again she knew she was going to either be dead or she and Bardock were going to go back for Goku.

It's not "I'm going to die" it's "I might die"

Dude. The hiding isn't her omitting telling Raditz Goku was sent away. The hiding is simply her giving a reason that wouldn't raise suspition.

Exactly what I said. Raditz having a notion that Goku hasn't been detached from the FF (therefore not risking him telling it to Vegeta and Vegeta telling it to King Vegeta or Frieza).
Like do you honestly not see why they wouldn't want Frieza to find out?

They don't want Freeza to find out but they're going to tell Raditz, who they apparently think would tell Freeza, where he is.

Make it make sense. Why not just tell Raditz nothing? Because again if they hadn't ended up dead they were planning on going back for Goku.

"Raditz might ask questions" isn't a concern at all

[dva_raza]

It's not "I'm going to die" it's "I might die"

Yeah? Exactly. That "might" is what means there's a chance Raditz will ask why Goku was even sent away especially if he witnesses them going to get him back which would be odd.

They don't want Freeza to find out but they're going to tell Raditz, who they apparently think would tell Freeza, where he is.

Make it make sense.

You're not following.
There's a difference between Goku being sent away for nothing out of the ordinary, and him being sent away for something out of the ordinary. If Raditz and Vegeta think Goku is on a usual procedure there's no reason for that to be worthy of mentioning to Frieza. Whereas if Vegeta hears that Goku has been sent away because of some horrific hunch Bardock had he would obviously react differently since that already means potential threat for him (if this happens once they're back on the planet Vegeta). Also Vegeta wouldn't like the idea of someone out there avoiding being a slave as he has to be would be enough for him to sabotage things.

Why not just tell Raditz nothing? Because again if they hadn't ended up dead they were planning on going back for Goku.

You're talking like there were some logistics of how it would transpire. How much time would it even have to pass for them to know they "didn't end up dead"? There weren't dates set for anything. Raditz might've came back and they're still alive for an undefined period of time, while Goku isn't there. There's the room for him to ask

[jjgp1112]

It's not "I'm going to die" it's "I might die"

Yeah? Exactly. That "might" is what means there's a chance Raditz will ask why Goku was even sent away especially if he witnesses them going to get him back which would be odd.

They don't want Freeza to find out but they're going to tell Raditz, who they apparently think would tell Freeza, where he is.

Make it make sense.

You're not following.
There's a difference between Goku being sent away for nothing out of the ordinary, and him being sent away for something out of the ordinary. If Raditz and Vegeta think Goku is on a usual procedure there's no reason for that to be worthy of mentioning to Frieza. Whereas if Vegeta hears that Goku has been sent away because of some horrific hunch Bardock had he would obviously react differently since that already means potential threat for him (if this happens once they're back on the planet Vegeta). Also Vegeta wouldn't like the idea of someone out there avoiding being a slave as he has to be would be enough for him to sabotage things.

Why not just tell Raditz nothing? Because again if they hadn't ended up dead they were planning on going back for Goku.

You're talking like there were some logistics of how it would transpire. How much time would it even have to pass for them to know they "didn't end up dead"? There weren't dates set for anything. Raditz might've came back and they're still alive for an undefined period of time, while Goku isn't there. There's the room for him to ask

If Gine was so worried about Raditz saying something, what exactly would be stopping him in that scenario from innocuously blabbing to Frieza that his brother is on a mission on Earth, too? If she didn't want the wrong people finding out about Goku at all, she wouldn't have said anything, period.

So it seems pretty simple to me: Gine said she sent Kakarot to Earth, Raditz assumed it was standard Saiyan procedure, the end.

[MasenkoHA]

There weren't dates set for anything.

There was. Why the hell do you think Freeza called the Saiyans back to Vegeta?

[dva_raza]

That’s not a date. It’s Frieza summoning everyone and me not knowing it if the assembling ends tonight, tomorrow, in 3 days, in week. Also if Raditz says he ignored Frieza’s order to go back means he was in fact expected to be there.

So no, other than assuming, Gine doesn’t have to know for a fact that he’s not making it.

[dva_raza]

They don't want Freeza to find out but they're going to tell Raditz, who they apparently think would tell Freeza, where he is.

Make it make sense.

You're not following.
There's a difference between Goku being sent away for nothing out of the ordinary, and him being sent away for something out of the ordinary. If Raditz and Vegeta think Goku is on a usual procedure there's no reason for that to be worthy of mentioning to Frieza. Whereas if Vegeta hears that Goku has been sent away because of some horrific hunch Bardock had he would obviously react differently since that already means potential threat for him (if this happens once they're back on the planet Vegeta). Also Vegeta wouldn't like the idea of someone out there avoiding being a slave as he has to be would be enough for him to sabotage things.

If Gine was so worried about Raditz saying something, what exactly would be stopping him in that scenario from innocuously blabbing to Frieza that his brother is on a mission on Earth, too?
If she didn't want the wrong people finding out about Goku at all, she wouldn't have said anything, period.

Answer is in the quote you’re replying to. The bolded part.

So it seems pretty simple to me: Gine said she sent Kakarot to Earth, Raditz assumed it was standard Saiyan procedure, the end.

I mean the Gine lying or not thing snowballed. It wasn’t a point I needed do be fact or something. I was adding to this:

1.WittyUserame said Goku sent off for safety means “apparently Gine lied to Raditz about why they sent his brother off.”
2.Masenko said he doesn't think she lied but that would make it “odd Raditz didn't tell Goku their parents sent him to Earth.”

So I went with the idea 1 (that she lied) to reply to idea 2 (why would Raditz lie); I said Gine lying would explain why Raditz and Vegeta were that convinced on a certain idea. (Meaning Raditz didnt lie to Goku. He just knew what he was told and Vegeta went with his idea too.)

And his line in the Broly movie is: “my mother contacted me saying he was sent off in a pod.”
That’s vague enough to interpret one way or the other. But “was sent” does soudn more like he “was sent by the FF” not by her. That would qualify as her lying.

[MasenkoHA]

That’s not a date. It’s Frieza summoning everyone and me not knowing it if the assembling ends tonight, tomorrow, in 3 days, in week. Also if Raditz says he ignored Frieza’s order to go back means he was in fact expected to be there.

So no, other than assuming, Gine doesn’t have to know for a fact that he’s not making it.

What.

You're really making some reaches or being deliberately obtuse. I'm not sure which.

They knew shit was gonna go down any minute or it wasn't. Bardock was anticipating something happening with in moments. That's why there was a rush to get Goku off planet. They weren't twiddling their thumbs waiting for Frieza to do maybe something in three weeks. It was straight up "he's either gonna kill us all any minute or we'll be fine and we'll go get Kakarot"

[dva_raza]

That’s not a date. It’s Frieza summoning everyone and me not knowing it if the assembling ends tonight, tomorrow, in 3 days, in week. Also if Raditz says he ignored Frieza’s order to go back means he was in fact expected to be there.

So no, other than assuming, Gine doesn’t have to know for a fact that he’s not making it.

What.

You're really making some reaches or being deliberately obtuse. I'm not sure which.

Theyknew shit was gonna go down any minute or it wasn't. Bardock was anticipating something happening with in moments. That's why there was a rush to get Goku off planet. They weren't twiddling their thumbs waiting for Frieza to do maybe something in three weeks. It was straight up "he's either gonna kill us all any minute or we'll be fine and come back for Goku"

Whatever. I said I don't know how long it takes for everybody to arrive and how long Frieza was willing to wait for. The point being Gine doesn't have to know for a fact if she'll see Raditz or not before whatever may or may not happen

Also, see my previous post. Cause I don't know why you're arguing so passionately against whether she lied or not.

[ABED]

Not much for me to add that's positive beyond I like seeing what Goku's mother looks like.