If Dragon Ball goes beyond EOZ what would you like to see

[jjgp1112]

Yeah, but then Toriyama, by his own words, realized these high school shenanigans might be fun but eventually he had to get back to where this series' bread is buttered and as soon as that happened, it was right back to Goku because Goku is a far better protagonist for the type of martial arts stories Toriyama wants to tell than Gohan. A Gohan-centric Dragon Ball would almost have to be a 100% comedy because Gohan fits Toriyama's "Hypercompetent but insecure dork" archetype (Senbei Norimaki, Neko Majin, Jaco), and that would pretty much only resemble the first arc of DB; even when it was still a funny manga in the 21st tournament and Red Ribbon arcs, DB was still driven by Goku's desire to push himself as a martial artist.

The high school stuff is a fun temporary diversion but yeah, a series built on that entirely isn't really Dragon Ball.

Wasn't there a quote from an interview where Toriyama said he course-corrected Dragon Ball during the Boo Saga because kids at the time felt underwhelmed by the Gohan slice-of-life approach and wanted more battles instead? It's essentially the same thing that happened with GT.

"We want to get back to our roots... Oh, what's that? The fans are complaining? They don't like the new direction? Shit! Turn around and do more of the same, quick!"

And to be honest, it is saddening that Dragon Ball as a franchise is afraid to try new things because of the fan backlash. I really hope Daima doesn't start one way, then around Episode 16, they go... "Oh my god, the fans on Twitter hated the premise, let's focus on edgy world-saving all over again!"

"Toyotarō:
Had you already come up with Majin Boo when you were drawing that part?

Toriyama:
… Nope (laughs). I’m pretty sure I just kept on drawing without a clue Majin Boo was going to turn up. I enjoyed working on that part, but eventually I figured it was time to come up with a new enemy… Even though I would have liked to just go on with the “slice of life” stuff… (laughs) "

Basically the same as when he abandoned the Gohan protagonist idea altogether. It wasn't fan influence, just Toriyama realizing his idea of what works and changing course.

[AliTheZombie13]

Basically the same as when he abandoned the Gohan protagonist idea altogether. It wasn't fan influence, just Toriyama realizing his idea of what works and changing course.

My point still stands, this franchise needs to get out of its comfort zone and try new things.
There's only so much, "And then someone stronger shows up" one can withstand before the story overstays its welcome (if it didn't already).

[MasenkoHA]

Basically the same as when he abandoned the Gohan protagonist idea altogether. It wasn't fan influence, just Toriyama realizing his idea of what works and changing course.

My point still stands, this franchise needs to get out of its comfort zone and try new things.
There's only so much, "And then someone stronger shows up" one can withstand before the story overstays its welcome (if it didn't already).

I would argue the series has overstayed its welcome and should have stayed dead with GT/the original manga. I like Super just fine but it hardly warranted existing and it's never going to "get out of its comfort zone" because it banks on nostalgia. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it just is what it is. I don't expect Daima to be anything more than a cute throwback to pre-Tenshinhan Dragon Ball with some nice animation. But if nothing new came out after GT ended in 1997? That would have been a-okay. There's plenty of content even before the revival era

[tonysoprano300]

I don’t mind the occasional call back or nod, but I always kind of liked how DB tended to avoid nostalgia bait. The series always had a forward direction and you got the feeling that the next adventure for Goku was always right around the corner. If they ever brought back an old antagonist it would always end in one of 2 ways. They are quickly dispatched to show how insignificant they have become or they are made into an ally.

ROF was the”canon” beginning of an era where DB would attempt to relive its glory days. I'm fine with DB ending as well although I recognize it probably won’t, but IF they’re going to continue I would hope they take the time to remember what the spirit of the series was all about