Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 7 - Official Discussion Thread

[Vegard Aune]

No. In fact, in the DBS anime, right before giving his last speech that got him oblitered by Beerus, Zamasu was asked by Gowasu if he come from Kaishin. Zamasu responded something like "Kaishin ? What are you talking about ?"

Theses lines confused me because I didn't understand the point of Gowasu question in this context and it seemed that Zamasu didn't either. I interpreted it as if Gowasu infered that his apprentice didn't showcase the behavior and ethics of the "core people" (as they were called in the guidebooks ) from the Kaishin planet.

That was not at all what that scene was about. Yes, the word "kaishin" was used, but...
https://jisho.org/search/%E6%94%B9%E5%BF%83
It was this kaishin. Though I will admit... Despite constantly telling people that interpretation of the scene was nonsense for ages I didn't realize "Planet Kaishin" was actually a thing in the lore and apparently has been since way before that but... Super did not reference it. What that Super scene was, I just went back and checked the exact wording...

お前は改心したのではなかったのか？ザマス ("Had you not reformed, Zamasu?")
改心ですって？誰が そんなものを 私は神の正義に従うまで 悪は滅ぼすという正義に ("Reformed? Ridiculous. I will simply act according to the justice of the gods. The justice that is obliterating evil")

"kaishin shita" is unambiguously "performed the act of reforming one's conduct".

[Mr Baggins]

This was the weakest episode yet. Not because of "pacing" or whatever – there was actually quite a bit of progress here between the Gendarmerie chase plotline, party B arriving in the demon realm and party A getting to the Tamagami, all three of which kicked off some episodes ago – but mainly because there wasn't much in the way of memorable character interactions between the main guys, especially compared to prior weeks. I guess the first half was intended to show what this JRPG party can do together in battle, Chrono Trigger style. Animation also looked a bit iffy at points.

Despite that, it was still very enjoyable almost all around. That says a lot about this series.

1. Cool to have Shin's real name revealed as Nahare, and this was probably the most fitting episode to drop that information given how relevant he was in general this week.

2. Between the old demon guy blissfully thinking Goku's just a kid having kid fantasies and the Tamagami just shouting out of nowhere, the back half had me giggling like an idiot.

3. Panzy continues to be the least interesting character in the group IMO, but on the flipside, Hybis is fucking hilarious. He just oozes Toriyama's style of comedy and I can tell the latter had a ton of fun coming up with his characteristics and dialogue.

Yeah man, I dunno. I'm very impressed that we're 7 episodes in now and there still hasn't been a single one I've disliked. The writing of this show blows TV Super's, an ugly and badly mismanaged anime the original creator was involved with in only its barest elements, out of the water and it's not even close.

Next episode's preview being longer than usual was a pleasant surprise.

[JulieYBM]

I think it's hilarious that after five consecutive episodes of Director Yashima Yoshitaka as the storyboard artist we now have an episode where he is the top credited key animator. I can't blame him, if I was the series director of something with the pre-production schedule Dragon Ball Daima has I would try to personally work on every episode as much as possible, too lol.

[Saiya6Cit]

In Daima, Shin says that the Katchin is a material that can only be obtained in Planet Kaishin where the Glinds used to live, but in Super, Daishinkan says that the Katchin is mined in Universe 7

Yeah, I think we can stop relating Dragon Ball Daima to Dragon Ball Super. We can stop relating Dragon Ball with Dragon Ball Super for what it concerns to me.


Each time the episodes seem shorter as I enjoy them more and more. Toriyama's humor is great because for a moment it feels like if he is still with us and I think that is amazing.

Panzy is lovely. Finally Bulma and Vegeta are there. This show is so entertaining, I don't mind what they will do, they are my favorite characters, acting according to their personalities so far, I have good feelings about it.


Goku accepting he was an absent parent demonstrates he is aware of it and most likely the reason why in End of Z Bulma mentions it has been 5 years that Goku did not visit her, I guess he was busy trying to catch up with things, with his family. Chichi did such a terrific job as a mother, she is probably the greatest mom in anime history and the best wife too. In my opinion Goku was not a bad father, he died protecting his family, it is not like he left while he was alive... oh... about that time before the Androids, well he was almost killed by Freezer, he was recovering and acquiring new power to better protect his family. I am not a Goku fan, I am just trying to provide a different perspective.

Going back to Daima...

Of course it is slow, it is anime. There is no manga but still, anime shows tend to be slow like that, it is part of the genre.

[HulkTySSJ5]

Ok...

I've never heard it used in that specific way, but I understand.

Don't let yourself be censored. You stayed on topic with legitimate criticism, word be damned.


I liked the episode. Some character design are a little too kiddy or fruity for me too, but I'll push through for Dragon Ball's lore; as I did with One Piece.
Supreme Kai's real name reveal was cool. Not sure how relevant it will be in the future though. Also, the rumor of Dabura being weaker than the bot like guards is interesting, since he was near SS2 level at the time. With the time between maybe Goku is slightly weaker in SS1, but stomps as SS2? Though the preview makes it look even in base. My guess for now is he's just being tested, or they can transform too.
Pansy needs to do some more to be relevant if this isn't going to be a long running series. Hopefully the OP with her and Bulma indicates she'll be more like the Demon World Bulma by the time she returns in a future arc of Super.

[LoganForkHands73]

This was the weakest episode yet. Not because of "pacing" or whatever – there was actually quite a bit of progress here between the Gendarmerie chase plotline, party B arriving in the demon realm and party A getting to the Tamagami, all three of which kicked off some episodes ago – but mainly because there wasn't much in the way of memorable character interactions between the main guys, especially compared to prior weeks. I guess the first half was intended to show what this JRPG party can do together in battle, Chrono Trigger style. Animation also looked a bit iffy at points.

Despite that, it was still very enjoyable almost all around. That says a lot about this series.

1. Cool to have Shin's real name revealed as Nahare, and this was probably the most fitting episode to drop that information given how relevant he was in general this week.

2. Between the old demon guy blissfully thinking Goku's just a kid having kid fantasies and the Tamagami just shouting out of nowhere, the back half had me giggling like an idiot.

3. Panzy continues to be the least interesting character in the group IMO, but on the flipside, Hybis is fucking hilarious. He just oozes Toriyama's style of comedy and I can tell the latter had a ton of fun coming up with his characteristics and dialogue.

Yeah man, I dunno. I'm very impressed that we're 7 episodes in now and there still hasn't been a single one I've disliked. The writing of this show blows TV Super's, an ugly and badly mismanaged anime the original creator was involved with in only its barest elements, out of the water and it's not even close.

Next episode's preview being longer than usual was a pleasant surprise.

Bruh, I'm surprised this is your least favourite, I thought this was one of the stronger episodes so far. The interaction between Shin/Nahare and Panzy absolutely sold me on this one, felt like a very profound moment of relief for her to be finally free of a burden literally tied round her neck all her life. Panzy as a character hadn't really done much for me until this point. It says a lot that I was saddened by the prospect of her having to stay behind, even though that obviously wouldn't happen in the long term. Group A's dynamic is coming together nicely.

Group B's journey was glossed over, but considering we know 3/4 of them and their path was an exact retread of Group A's, I'm not losing sleep over it.

Nahare generally felt much more proactive and valuable to have around here (beyond him finally throwing a punch, though that was cool) and that extra insight into his real name was, I guess, surprisingly vulnerable and humanising. I was waiting for this and it didn't disappoint. 'Shin' was, after all, always intended to be an uncreative alias implying his godly status for a martial arts tournament, though everyone has collectively rolled with that as his real name for so long. We're peeling back more layers and seeing what we've always suspected about him, which is that he's just a well-meaning but slightly out-of-touch little guy who happens to have the status of Kaioshin.

I like that Hybis is just inexplicably valuable to King Kadan and we'll probably never understand why. He can demand that delectable Dai San no Makai Worm Feast pizza any time he goddamn wants.

People are apprehensive about the Tamagami for some reason but they have potential to be fun bosses. I'm glad they established they have some personality rather than being emotionless golems. I'm half expecting this one to be a pushover, but if it is as strong as it looks, it will be a change of Toriyama's usual pace to see a colossal brute actually stand a chance against chibi-Goku.

[tonysoprano300]

…So Goku can teleport? Why doesn’t he just always do that?

[StaticMania]

Where would he te'port to?

They can't between demon worlds, remember? And the Tamagami probably don't actively output Ki when not activated...if they have Ki at all.

[tonysoprano300]

Where would he te'port to?

They can't between demon worlds, remember? And the Tamagami probably don't actively output Ki when not activated...if they have Ki at all.

Couldn’t he just detect the people in that general vicinity? As long as he knows the direction he can search for Ki signatures

[JulieYBM]

Where would he te'port to?

They can't between demon worlds, remember? And the Tamagami probably don't actively output Ki when not activated...if they have Ki at all.

Couldn’t he just detect the people in that general vicinity? As long as he knows the direction he can search for Ki signatures

I was under the impression that the demon realm's citizens do not have kid to sense.

[StaticMania]

He knew the direction they were going, but that doesn't really tell him how far it is.

It's a bit convenient. That may have helped him here, but it won't help him in the later worlds.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Panzy's allies are honestly all fantastic.

Hybis just looking to make himself look better but constantly being relied on for these odd jobs is fun, and Panzy having a hacker as her "guy in the chair" is fun stuff!

Also, it was a genuinely nice moment to see Panzy feel true freedom for the first time thanks to Shin-- sorry, "Nahare". Also remember that these are Demon WORLDS where all demon-kind come from.

So it's possible that Planet Kaishin where Katchin comes from is situated within the Second Demon World.

[Thani]

Also, it was a genuinely nice moment to see Panzy feel true freedom for the first time thanks to Shin-- sorry, "Nahare". Also remember that these are Demon WORLDS where all demon-kind come from.

So it's possible that Planet Kaishin where Katchin comes from is situated within the Second Demon World.

Yup. I'd even go as far as to say "not just possible, but confirmed". Everyone in-universe already agrees the Glinds hail from the Second Demon World, and Kaioshin then states they all come from Planet Kaishin.

So, either Kaishin is another name for the Second Demon World, or it's a planet inside the Second Demon World. No one ever said the "Demon Worlds" are just planets, after all (they have moons and suns, for example, so they do have a concept of outer space!).

[nineko]

Yay, Shin fights.

Best episode so far, finally, things happened.

Yeah, Bulma fixing the ship was wasted time as many of us guessed last week, though she seems to hold her own surprisingly well in an environment which impeded even Goku, all she complained about was the smell, not the heavy air or anything.

Also, when Goku said "I'm going to call you Nahare", I was totally expecting the latter to reply "suit yourself, Kakaroth", what a missed opportunity to draw a parallel between them.

Also also, since Goku can teleport within the bounds of the demon world he's currently in, and he finds out that the others are now there as well, I expected him to go pick them up and reunite instantly (he's been shown to be able to teleport vehicles as well), but of course he wants to fight the Tamagami alone.

Now I'm looking forward for the next episode, I hope they can keep it up instead of going back to the "travel to go nowhere" routine in two weeks from now.

[Mr Baggins]

Bruh, I'm surprised this is your least favourite, I thought this was one of the stronger episodes so far.

For my part, it's mostly just because I think previous skirmishes and fights have been a tad better about highlighting the characterization of our main group while they were happening; though that's not to claim that this one didn't have any value.

But all these episodes have been strong for me, hence the emphasis that "weakest" only applies in a very relative sense here. I feel like they still can do a little more with Panzy, but I also liked the collar moment.

Glad you enjoyed it as much as you did!

[Koitsukai]

I'm hyped, although I think this destination could've been reached much sooner, trimming down some stops along the way would not have produced any big losses. I mean, how many times can your ship get damaged? that Bulma cliffhanger of the previous episode, also not needed, but I guess it was time for them to be seen, even if it was just for nothing.
But anyway, I feel Daima actually starts next week, things surely will speed up if a Tamagami is defeated, not to mention the arrival of those two little assholes. I think it's the end of the stealth-mode adventure.

I wonder the pun behind Nahare. Shin as a name never sat well with me, I understand people calling him that and also he purposely providing his title instead of his name, but when you think about the other DBS gods, they all go by their names, except for the Priest an Zeno, even those that pre-date Shin.

Now that Shin has a name, and the fact that namekians originated from the Dai Makai, maybe we'll get Piccolo's real name, too? not that the answer lies on this realm, but if we don't learn his name now, we'll never do. Not that we NEED to know it, but having something less tongue-tier than Namekless Namekian or Kattas' son would be cool.
I wonder what Kaio's real name is, now...

Things people are complaining about: Shunkanido isn't that perfect, even if he felt a ki somewhere, who knows if he is teleporting right into the lion's den? did he sense Shin? what if he sensed Glorio? or what if in the Dai Makai, Shin's divinity goes out the window? it seems like something the production team didn't think through, tho.

Tamagamis: At first, they looked way too generic for my taste, but this TSURI dude struck me as imposing, even if he reminds of Magetta. Well, I should say, if Magetta reminds me of him.

Unrelated note: I'm seeing DLCs of Daima for XV2 and Kakarot coming soon, but we've barely even scratched the surface of the show, I hope they don't come with spoilers... but if they don't, then what are they gonna offer? pseudo senzu beans, pseudo potaras, and level 1 goons?

[LightBing]

Glad people are appreciating the Panzy scene in this thread.
It's set up as a deepening of the relationship between her and Nahare. Which might have implications latter, might he become know as the breaker of collars by the end of Daima?

Interesting pause and pan to Glorio during the magic collar conversation, his goals are still a mystery. He's conspiring but his reasons might be altruistic.

Seems like the Tamagami fight, at least partially, will be a weapon fight. Those are rare in Dragon Ball.
Makes me wonder, what weapons would Piccolo and Vegeta use? I doubt it's necessary, still a fun exercise.

[shadowfox87]

This episode was all about Shin (Nahare). He shows off his fighting prowess, his magical skills, his name and origin. People always forget that he is a strong fighter. We also confirmed that Tamagamis are more powerful than Dabura / Perfect Cell. Retrospectively, that doesn't seem that impressive but the fact that Tamagamis are created to protect Dragon Balls is a lot cooler than just scattering Dragon Balls and letting anyone gather them to grant wishes. In one perspective, it only allows the strong to get a wish while in another - the weak who want to overcome the strong, are unable to get their wish.

[Chuquita]

+Goku knows Vegeta will track him down without fail and so decides to keep on target to collect the first dragon ball. That makes me happy.

+Under different circumstances I'd want the two groups to meet up first, but I want them to get their adult bodies back more than that so I agree with Goku's decision to keep moving.

-I'm amazed Glorio's on his 3rd ship in 6 episodes. How many more times are we gonna have vehicle trouble?

-Most of the lore-dumps these past 6 eps leave me feeling like Luffy sitting there distracted and not all that interested whenever someone tries to lore-dump at him. That's not my usual reaction to lore. I can tell my emotional bandwidth for this show is going to remain low until the adults are adults again.

+That said, happy Panzy's been freed from her collar.

+Bulma lamenting her troubleshooting the ship with all the time she put into it and ultimately knowing what to do, but not having the parts or time is very relatable.

-Vegeta trying, but providing unhelpful tech advice.
+This also makes Bulma feel relatable.

+Please continue cutting back and forth between team RPG and team Reinforcements. It makes things move so much faster this way.

-I'm sure it's just there for comedy and not to show the passage of time or tell us anything about how well or not he's digesting the new foods he's eaten, but Goku's been stopping to eat and use the toilet an awful lot since he got here.



Does removing the dragon ball from the Tamagami kill them?

[StaticMania]

It wouldn't make sense for that to be the case.

Someone's had to get a wish before...or Neva would have to remake the thing every time someone's beaten them.