New Special: Canon or Not?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:04 am

JAPPO wrote:If people are going to accept the general stupidity of these contradictions and additions to the anime, why not accept the slight changes in the live-action movie.

Easy. This special was made to generate feelings of nostalgia. It works because we know the characters and they are, for the most part, the way we remember them.

The live-action film, on the other hand, is trying to make it's own continuity. It doesn't have a past to play off of, it's a new work. Like many live-action adaptations of video games and anime, it's looking to go off the beaten path by quite a bit and we're mostly very much pessimistic. So far, Fox hasn't really shown us anything that screams "DragonBall" to many fans.

That's another discussion for another thread though.

-Corey

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:11 am

I feel the series has been slipping further and further into mediocrity with each new addition to the "canon," this new special was no different. It's like it didn't even try to have a plot.

I just strongly feel Freeza was the time to end the show.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:13 am

I don't know what people have against Vegeta having a brother. It's very cute and seriously. Very Toriyama. To me, anything Toriyama comes up with is canon. In my eyes, Yamcha playing Baseball to make money is canon.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:14 am

JAPPO wrote:I feel the series has been slipping further and further into mediocrity with each new addition to the "canon," this new special was no different. It's like it didn't even try to have a plot.

Never heard of "fan service" I take it?

-Corey

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:20 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
JAPPO wrote:I feel the series has been slipping further and further into mediocrity with each new addition to the "canon," this new special was no different. It's like it didn't even try to have a plot.
Never heard of "fan service" I take it?

-Corey

Agreed. This Special is not intended for the common fan...Namely the common American fan who thinks "ZOMGZ DBZHARDCOREACTIONTEHR0KZ0RZBRUCEFAULCONER!1!1!1!1"

It's for people to enjoy a feel of the old days (Pre-Piccolo Daimao) with the end of Z Cast.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:21 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
JAPPO wrote:I feel the series has been slipping further and further into mediocrity with each new addition to the "canon," this new special was no different. It's like it didn't even try to have a plot.
Never heard of "fan service" I take it?

-Corey

Alright, well I guess all I can say is it didn't appeal to me. I had fun watching it almost entirely because of the animation. The animation was great. Everything else, unfortunately, was below average. I wouldn't go so far as to say it was as bad as an episode of Dragonball GT, but close.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:22 am

Gozar wrote:I don't know what people have against Vegeta having a brother.

1. It smacks of retarded fanfiction.

2. "There are no other Saiyans!"

Never heard of "fan service" I take it?

... Unless there's something y'all aren't telling me, we have waaay different definitions of 'fanservice'.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:22 am

Seriously though, it doesn't matter whether anyone wants to accept this as cannon or not, as it is purely fan service created by the man himself, Akira Toriyama.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:24 am

Rocketman wrote:1. It smacks of retarded fanfiction.

I think that may be why I enjoyed this angle so much. It takes all of those stupid "Vegeta's sister" mary-sues and just throws it back in your face in a veritable feast of delicious irony.

"Y'want a surviving relative for Vegeta? Sure, here ya go!"

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:24 am

Rocketman wrote:
Gozar wrote:I don't know what people have against Vegeta having a brother.
1. It smacks of retarded fanfiction.

2. "There are no other Saiyans!"

1. Hello. I'm Raditz. You're big brother. And your from an extinct alien race of space pirates.

2. It would seem that Tarble was basically sent off to pretty much die. Being exempt from the Saiya-jin race.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:25 am

Rocketman wrote:
Never heard of "fan service" I take it?
... Unless there's something y'all aren't telling me, we have waaay different definitions of 'fanservice'.

Some people mistakenly think it only pertains to things of a sexual nature, but fan service is basically anything added or made solely to please fans.

-Corey

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:27 am

I think people take things a little too seriously, if you're going to complain about this in terms of canon, you're also going to have to complain about all of the movies.

It was a fun little throwaway special with some cute ideas, nothing more.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:28 am

Gozar wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Gozar wrote:I don't know what people have against Vegeta having a brother.
1. It smacks of retarded fanfiction.

2. "There are no other Saiyans!"
1. Hello. I'm Raditz. You're big brother. And your from an extinct alien race of space pirates.

2. It would seem that Tarble was basically sent off to pretty much die. Being exempt from the Saiya-jin race.

1. I can't believe it, but Radditz was actually more convincing than Vegeta's brother. And he actually had more than 3-4 lines of dialogue. Plus, it didn't come completely out of the blue, because during DragonBall everyone knew Goku wasn't normal.

2. Akira royally screwed up the whole "legendary super saiyan" thing. Once every 1000 years my ass. He also screwed up the "Only 4 saiyans survived" thing.

Yi Xing Long · Post by **Yi Xing Long** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:29 am

Captain Awesome wrote:I think people take things a little too seriously, if you're going to complain about this in terms of canon, you're also going to have to complain about all of the movies.

It was a fun little throwaway special with some cute ideas, nothing more.

It is definitely not a "throw-away special." It's the ultimate fan orgasm that deserves multiple viewings.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:31 am

JAPPO wrote:
Gozar wrote:
Rocketman wrote: 1. It smacks of retarded fanfiction.

2. "There are no other Saiyans!"
1. Hello. I'm Raditz. You're big brother. And your from an extinct alien race of space pirates.

2. It would seem that Tarble was basically sent off to pretty much die. Being exempt from the Saiya-jin race.
1. I can't believe it, but Radditz was actually more convincing than Vegeta's brother. And he actually had more than 3-4 lines of dialogue. Plus, it didn't come completely out of the blue, because during DragonBall everyone knew Goku wasn't normal.

2. Akira royally screwed up the whole "legendary super saiyan" thing. Once every 1000 years my ass. He also screwed up the "Only 4 saiyans survived" thing.

1. And Vegeta's normal?...At this point we know wacky things happen. Toriyama likes to pull things out of the blue. It's his style.

2. What does that have to do with what I said? =/

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:36 am

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, Gozar, I just wish the special made sense on some level.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:38 am

JAPPO wrote:Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, Gozar, I just wish the special made sense on some level.

Just because it drew stuff out of the air doesn't mean it didn't make sense. As I said, it's very Toriyama. This screams his style.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:39 am

JAPPO wrote:Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, Gozar, I just wish the special made sense on some level.

The vast majority of the DragonBall movies must have confused the hell out of you, then

And for all the people shouting "Vegeta said there were no other Saiyajin!", did Tullece, Broli and Paragus make your heads explode or what?

-Corey

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:40 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, Gozar, I just wish the special made sense on some level.
The vast majority of the DragonBall movies must have confused the hell out of you, then

And for all the people shouting "Vegeta said there were no other Saiyajin!", did Tullece, Broli and Paragus make your heads explode or what?

-Corey

I don't see the movies as canon.

And I'm not a fan of them either.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:46 am

JAPPO wrote:I don't see the movies as canon.

And I'm not a fan of them either.

...so, wait...

You don't like the DragonBall movies because they stray too far from the original series.

...am I the only one seeing the irony here?

-Corey