"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[FortuneSSJ]

This is one of those times I coudn't be more glad for having a manga version.

As far Super anime goes, I don't have to worry about poop animation (episode 5), bad voice acting (kaio voice actor) and the soundtrack quality.
The art is great and the pacing greater. Props to Toyotaro for this.

I still think the chapters should have monthly size though.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The anime has its problems, but I can't agree with most of that for the manga either. The general pacing is alright I guess since it seems to be doing its own thing, but it has the problem of assuming you've seen the previous material a bit too much. It's fine for us dealing with the present schedule, but for newer fans in the future if this ever gets collected as a tankobon? I can foresee the problems with the overall story's flow already beginning when we just jump into the Yongengyo conversation at the start of Chapter 2.

Likewise, because it's so rushed (especially without a traditional monthly page count) and the characters are forced to get into the action so fast, it's starting to bastardize their characters and turn them into asses. I'm not just talking about the choice of dialogue for the English version most people have read either; that only makes their characterizations worse than what we already get in the original.

[Chuquita]

I do like the artwork for the most part in Toyotarou's Super manga. He draws a very good early 90's Gokû.

Spoiler:

It's very Buu arc artwork-style Gokû, but it's got some of the cute from the 10th Anniversary Movie's art-style mixed in there when you look at his face.

Volume-collection-wise though; yeah this'll definitely suffer from choppy-plot the way the precure manga volumes do.

[Blackstripe]

Your comparison of BoG's run time and Super's run time is unfair because the first two episodes of Super were not retellings of BoG. In reality, Super's retelling of BoG has gone for about 60 minutes.

[ekrolo2]

Your comparison of BoG's run time and Super's run time is unfair because the first two episodes of Super were not retellings of BoG. In reality, Super's retelling of BoG has gone for about 60 minutes.

They're considered part of this Battle of Gods saga so I'm lumping them in there. Besides, the two episodes didn't even need to be two, you easily could've spliced together the Goku & Vegeta slice of life stuff into one. We didn't need the bit with the two annoying hellspawn getting a gift for Videl or Satan f*cking about about with Buu and those reporters.

[FortuneSSJ]

The anime has its problems, but I can't agree with most of that for the manga either. The general pacing is alright I guess since it seems to be doing its own thing, but it has the problem of assuming you've seen the previous material a bit too much. It's fine for us dealing with the present schedule, but for newer fans in the future if this ever gets collected as a tankobon? I can foresee the problems with the overall story's flow already beginning when we just jump into the Yongengyo conversation at the start of Chapter 2.

I don't see any problem with that. Casual fans don't read manga. And if we talk about the japanese casual fans, they have much more means to find out about DB story.
There's always Dragon Ball guides being released and the DB Super start guide is perfect for them.

People that read Super manga are into anime/manga, so most of us are informed of what's going on. Its a good thing.
For casual fans, the anime will flesh out things better. Its a win/win scenario.

[Hellspawn28]

The DBS manga to me feels like sneak previews on what to come in the show. I think Champa won't show up to visit Beerus until after Beerus beats Goku in the BOG arc.

[eledoremassis02]

kinda happy the manga's behind now. It seems it might go in a different direction? We'll see in this weeks chapter for sure if this is just episode preveiws.

Has toriyama made any comments on this?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The manga is technically behind, but who knows for how long. The next chapter officially releases towards the end of the week and the contents of what it covers will leak any day now.

With the way it's skipping around and pacing itself at breakneck speed, we may get Vegeta's rage and SSG already in the chapter if they are just doing previews and not a consistent story.

[Herms]

Bonus Stage posted a 2chan transcription of the third chapter over in this thread, and I summarized it there. Here's the whole thing in Japanese, most of which is basically the same "Beerus vs. everyone" battle we got in BoG:

Spoiler:

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傷だらけで横たわる悟空
界王「大丈夫か・・・悟空」
悟空「ぐ・・・
　　　ああ・・・オラ全然歯が立たなかった・・・」
界王「まったく だからやめろと言ったのに無茶しおって」
悟空「・・・ビルス様地球に行くって言ってたな・・・」
界王「・・・」
悟空「まずいぞ・・・地球は 今ブルマの誕生パーティ中だ」
～地球～ブルマの誕生パーティ会場豪華客船
すでにプリン騒動でビルスがキレた後
悟飯とブウが打ちつけられるところから
悟飯「ぐっ！！！」
ビルス「ボクは超サイヤ人ゴッドのことを聞きに来ただけなのに・・・
　　　　キミたちが失礼な態度をとるから」
ウイス、たこ焼きを食べている
ゴテンクス「失礼って・・・
　　　　　　プリンが食べられなかっただけじゃないか！！」
ビルス「プリンが食べられなかった・・・"だけ"だと・・・！？
　　　　お前達は食べ慣れているかもしれないが・・・
　　　　ボクには初めてだったんだよ！！プリン！！！」
ゴテンクス「ブウさんが全部食べちゃったんだからしかたないだろ！！！
　　　　　　くだらないことで暴れやがって！！！
　　　　　　もう頭に来たぞ！！！
　　　　　　だぁぁっ！！！」
一撃をくらわせようとするも簡単に腕を取られる
ビルス「キミにはおしおきが必要だね」
二本指でおしりぺんぺんし、グルグル回してゴテンクスを海に落とす
ピッコロ「ぐっ！！！
　　　　　おのれ！！！」
ベジータ「やめろピッコロ ムダだ」
ビルス「やぁベジータ王子 久しぶりだね
　　　　前に会ったのは確かキミがこんなに小さいころだったね」

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子ベジータの回想
子ベジータ「破壊神ビルス！？あ・・・あいつパパを・・・！」
ビルス「キミたちずいぶんと派手に暴れてるみたいじゃないか ベジータ王」
ベジータ王「ぐが・・・！
　　　　　　も・・・申し訳ございません ビルス様」
ビルス「いずれ破壊したほうが良さそうだね」
回想終わり
ベジータ「ヤツには誰も逆らうことはできない・・・
　　　　　宇宙一強い破壊の神なんだ」
ビルス「ククク・・・よく分かってるね
　　　　さすが王子」
ビルスの前にブルマ登場
左ほほをビンタする
一同「！！」
ベジータ「な・・・！」
ブルマ「ちょっとあんた！
　　　　私の大事な誕生パーティを台無しにしないでよね！！
　　　　今すぐ出て行って！！！」
ビルス、ブルマを裏手でどかす
ブルマ「きゃあ！！！」
ベジータ「あ・・・あ・・・」
トランクス「あ・・・ママ！！！」
ベジータ「よくも・・・よくも・・・
　　　　　オレの・・・ブルマを！！！」
ベジータ怒りの突然変異（見た目は超サイヤ人２）

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ビルス「！」
ベジータ「ゆるさんぞぉ！！！
　　　　　だぁっ！！！」
攻撃をしかけて、かわされ、反撃をくらうもののビルスに一撃をくらわせる
海に飛び出るビルスを追いかけ、追撃を次々とくらわせるベジータ
クリリン「ベジータってあんなに強かったっけ？」
青年トランクスのフィニッシュバスターのようなものを放つベジータ
ベジータ「くそったれ！！！」
背後に気弾がせまるビルス
ビルス「はぁ・・・っ」
地球の一部が光る程度の爆発
界王神界
キビト神「ビ・・・ビルス様が今度はベジータさんと・・・！！
　　　　　このままでは地球が破壊されてしまう・・・！」
老界王神「・・・・・・・・・」
キビト神「！
　　　　　どうしたんですかご先祖様」
老界王神「いや・・・ビルス様が地球にいるというのに・・・
　　　　　別のところで星が消えておる・・・
　　　　　どういうことじゃ」
水晶を取りだす、水晶内の映像
女「・・・では次の願い玉もこのままお探しになるんですか？」
シャンパ「そうだ
　　　　　こっちの連中はまだこんなでっかい願い玉があることをしらないみたいだからね」
女「しかしあまり長居してしまうと気づかれてしまいますよ」
老界王神「なに！？願い玉じゃと！？」
キビト神「おそらくドラゴンボールのことかと・・・！」

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女「！
　　・・・ホラやっぱり」
シャンパ「！」
水晶目線でキビト神、老界王神を睨む２人
キビト神「こ・・・これは」
老界王神「シャンパ様！！！」
キビト神「こちらに気づきましたよ！！」
老界王神「なぜシャンパ様がドラゴンボールを・・・！！！」
界王神界に降り立つ２人
老界王神「な・・・なんじゃ・・・」
シャンパ「やぁ！第７宇宙の界王神たち
　　　　　久しぶりだな！
　　　　　界王神が盗み聞きとは趣味が悪いねぇ・・・
　　　　　どこから聞いてた？」
キビト神「いえ 私たちは何も・・・
　　　　　ねぇご先祖様！」
老界王神「わしらはなーんも聞いとらんぞ」
わざとらしくそっぽをむく
怪訝そうに見つめるシャンパ
シャンパ「フンッ
　　　　　なんか怪しいがまぁいいや
　　　　　いくぞ」
キビト神・老界王神「（ほっ）」
女「それではみなさん いずれまた」
２人は飛び去る

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キビト神「ふうっ まさかここまでやってくるとは・・・」
老界王神「やれやれ・・・
　　　　　しかしでっかい願い玉がどうとか言っておったな・・・」
キビト神「おそらく地球のものでなくナメック星のドラゴンボールの事かと・・・」
老界王神「うむ シャンパ様のことじゃ
　　　　　何かよからぬことに使うに違いない
　　　　　こうしちゃおれん！先にナメック星に行ってドラゴンボールを保護するんじゃ！！！」
キビト神「は・・・はい！！」
地球
爆発の煙が晴れ、無傷のビルスが姿を現す
ビルス「キミもやっぱり超サイヤ人ゴッドではなさそうだね
　　　　もうこの星に用はない
　　　　とっとと破壊して帰ることにするよ」
ベジータ「くそ・・・ここまでか・・・」
瞬間移動で悟空登場
ベジータ「カ・・・カカロット！」
悟空「ちょっと待ってくんねぇかビルス様！」
ビルス「なんだ またキミか・・・」
悟空に秘策は・・・・・・！？

もうすでに全ページ画像が出ているかもしれないのですがやらせてもらいました
遅れてしまい本当に申し訳ありません

470 ：風の谷の名無しさん＠実況は実況板で＠転載は禁止：2015/08/19(水) 17:46:44.12 ID:9eRnSkm30
>>464 すくなくともそういう意見があったわけじゃな

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シャンパは結局第六宇宙の破壊神だったんかい

And here's a translation of the bit in the middle with Champa:

Kaioshin Realm

Kibito-shin: “N-Now Lord Beerus is fighting with Vegeta…!! At this rate, the Earth will be destroyed…!”
Elder Kaioshin: “…..”
Kibito-shin: “! What is the matter, ancestor?”
Elder Kaioshin: “It’s just that…Lord Beerus is on Earth, and yet…there’s a planet vanishing somewhere else…What’s going on?”

He pulls out his crystal ball and on it appears the image of:

Woman: “…So then, shall we continue on and search for the next wish orb?”
Champa: “That’s right. After all, it seems the people over here still don’t know about these huge wish orbs.”
Woman: “But if we stay here too long, they will be sure to catch on.”

Elder Kaioshin: “What!? Did they say ‘wish orbs’!?”
Kibito-shin: “They must mean the dragon balls…!”

Woman: “!...See, what did I tell you?”
Champa: “!”

The two of them stare right at Kibito-shin and Elder Kaioshin from out of the crystal ball.

Kibito-shin: “It-It’s…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Lord Champa!!!”
Kibito-shin: “They’ve noticed us!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Why is Lord Champa after the dragon balls…?!!!!”

The two of them arrive at the Kaioshin Realm

Elder Kaioshin: “Wh-What…”
Champa: “Hey! It’s been a long time, Kaioshins of Universe 7! Eavesdropping is a bad habit for a Kaioshin…How much did you overhear?”
Kibito-shin: “No, we didn’t overhear anything…Right, ancestor?”
Elder Kaioshin: “We didn’t hear a thing!”

Champa eyes them suspiciously

Champa: “Hmph, something’s fishy, but whatever. I’m outta here.”
Kibito-shin, Elder Kaioshin: “*phew*”
Woman: “Well then, until we meet again.”

The two of them fly off.

Kibito-shin: “I never imagined they’d come all the way over here…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Tell me about it…But anyway, they said something about ‘huge wish orbs’”
Kibito-shin: “Most likely they meant the dragon balls on Planet Namek, rather than Earth…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Knowing Lord Champa, he’ll definitely use them for no good. This won’t do at all! We’ve got to get to Planet Namek before them and protect the dragon balls!!!”
Kibito-shin: “Y-Yes sir!”

[ZombieVito]

Thanks for the translation Herms but are you going to translate the rest?

I used Google to do it and while I couldn't make anything of it there is apparently some dialogue said by Piccolo. I'm really curious.

[EmmaWinters]

I'd also like to have the rest. Pretty please? :)

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Let the man rest. lol

It should only be a couple of days, if that, before the rest of it is released elsewhere. Granted, it will be spiced up with some expletives and the like, but it's not like it'l be speed sub quality. There has only really been one flub in that sense, and that's the dinosaur sent to destroy Earth malarkey.

[sailorspazz]

Pretty much everything else from the chapter is stuff that we already know from Battle of Gods or Super, so a full translation isn't going to add much. Gokuu worries about Beerus heading to Earth, Gohan and Boo attack Beerus, Whis sits around eating takoyaki, Beerus freaks out over Gotenks belittling his pudding problem and gives him a spanking, Vegeta flashes back to when he first met Beerus (shorter version like Battle of Gods, rather than what Super showed us), Bulma slaps Beerus and tells him to leave, gets slapped in return, "How dare you...my Bulma!", Kuririn comments on how strong Vegeta is (but no Kame Sennin claiming he's stronger than Gokuu in this version...), then the part that Herms already translated happens, and it ends on Earth with Beerus deciding he has no use for this planet anymore, but Gokuu shows up before he can blow it up.

I guess now that we have the Japanese dialogue for this chapter, even if a shitty scanlation shows up, we at least have something to compare it to so we can tell it's wrong.

[Sora Saiyan]

Thanks for the translation Herms. So can Fem Whis teleport? I can just see her being Whis's mum or something.
This chapter sounds really interesting. I wonder when we're gonna see Champa in the anime.

[kizuki]

Thanks for translating again, Herms.

It's funny, it seems that Femme-Whis can teleport much faster than Whis can, no? I mean, there's always a timestamp on how long it'll take Whis and Beerus to get somewhere (Earth, Kaiosama's planet, etc.) meanwhile from the translations it seems that F-Whis and Champa get there the instant they notice Kibitoshin and Elder Kai watching them. Unless they were on a planet that was pretty damn close to the Kaioshin Realm.

[Birusu16]

Thanks for translating again, Herms.

It's funny, it seems that Femme-Whis can teleport much faster than Whis can, no? I mean, there's always a timestamp on how long it'll take Whis and Beerus to get somewhere (Earth, Kaiosama's planet, etc.) meanwhile from the translations it seems that F-Whis and Champa get there the instant they notice Kibitoshin and Elder Kai watching them. Unless they were on a planet that was pretty damn close to the Kaioshin Realm.

Whis doesn't teleport. He flies. If the female Whis got there instantly then it's likely teleportation that's similar to IT.

[kizuki]

Thanks for translating again, Herms.

It's funny, it seems that Femme-Whis can teleport much faster than Whis can, no? I mean, there's always a timestamp on how long it'll take Whis and Beerus to get somewhere (Earth, Kaiosama's planet, etc.) meanwhile from the translations it seems that F-Whis and Champa get there the instant they notice Kibitoshin and Elder Kai watching them. Unless they were on a planet that was pretty damn close to the Kaioshin Realm.

Whis doesn't teleport. He flies. If the female Whis got there instantly then it's likely teleportation that's similar to IT.

Ah'. Well, even though it resembles flying, since we get some dialogue out of Whis and Beerus, I kind of always figured it was teleporting -- just by the way it looks upon leaving an area and the ultra, ultra, ultra light that surrounds them mid-flight / teleport. Or, in the very least, some sort of teleportation. Do they ever state it's "flying"? I always thought Beerus was just asking "how long will it take" in general. Guess it doesn't matter, really. Fact is F-Whis got to a destination much faster than we've seen Whis go anyway. So, she's either faster at teleporting / flying or can do something that Whis can't, or at least it seems that way since we haven't seen Whis "teleport" .... yet.

Interesting either way.

[Birusu16]

Thanks for translating again, Herms.

It's funny, it seems that Femme-Whis can teleport much faster than Whis can, no? I mean, there's always a timestamp on how long it'll take Whis and Beerus to get somewhere (Earth, Kaiosama's planet, etc.) meanwhile from the translations it seems that F-Whis and Champa get there the instant they notice Kibitoshin and Elder Kai watching them. Unless they were on a planet that was pretty damn close to the Kaioshin Realm.

Whis doesn't teleport. He flies. If the female Whis got there instantly then it's likely teleportation that's similar to IT.

Ah'. Well, even though it resembles flying, since we get some dialogue out of Whis and Beerus, I kind of always figured it was teleporting -- just by the way it looks upon leaving an area and the ultra, ultra, ultra light that surrounds them mid-flight / teleport. Or, in the very least, some sort of teleportation. Do they ever state it's "flying"? I always thought Beerus was just asking "how long will it take" in general. Guess it doesn't matter, really. Fact is F-Whis got to a destination much faster than we've seen Whis go anyway. So, she's either faster at teleporting / flying or can do something that Whis can't, or at least it seems that way since we haven't seen Whis "teleport" .... yet.

Interesting either way.

Teleportation means you go from one place to another instantly. Basically just like Goku's IT. Whis doesn't do that. He flies, which is clearly demonstrated by him moving through space. If it was teleportation then there wouldn't be a set time for how long it takes him to reach each destination. He'd simply be there the moment he teleported.

If female Whis did indeed get there instantly (nothing really suggests that she did as there's no specific time frame given) then it's likely teleportation as you can't cross light years instantly (and I use this term literally) by flying regardless of how fast you are.

[Lord Beerus]

Thanks for the translation Herms. So can Fem Whis teleport? I can just see her being Whis's mum or something.
This chapter sounds really interesting. I wonder when we're gonna see Champa in the anime.

I can Fem Whis being more like Whis' sister, rather than her mum. She looks way too young to be his mum.