Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[QuakingStar]

2-base theory never made sense to me, as it's essentially proposing that characters don't get to just be plain stronger or anything, nor rely on skill to make up a power difference.

I'd contend it's not real in the sense that the Saiyans have a second base form they can freely toggle on and off. Were that the case, it would have been clearly indicated in the series.

However, it's real in the sense that the Saiyans upgraded their base form to having "the power of a Super Saiyan God" (primarily stated by Resurrection 'F' promo material, but also briefly in the film) in a similar fashion to Gohan's Ultimate state in the original series. Moreover, this upgrade was likewise the basis for SSGSS's original description, being the Super Saiyan version of that state.

Things obviously changed with Super, particularly the manga where all this base upgrade business gets dropped entirely in favor of Goku just using Super Saiyan God as a way of toggling that level of power. And by extension, Blue becomes the successor transformation to God, not the "God-like base".

I think most people prefer the retcon because it keeps everything more digestible and clean. Real shame the Beerus anime seemingly won't include what the manga did.

Yup, it was not a thing in the manga and Goku using SSG after BoG in the anime proves it wasn't a thing in the anime either. They had always planned for SSG to stick around and Goku uses it in the U6vU7 Saga in the manga and a bit later in the anime.

[Grimlock]

If by "they" you mean just Toei and Toyotaro, maybe. But certainly not Toriyama.

[angeldreamZ004]

About fusion, Z Vegito was not as strong as DBS Vegito, he performs better in DBS because his fusees became much stronger. Their max power is no longer a mere SS3, but now SSB, so the cap has been lifted. If it were not like that, if the powers of the fusees did not matter, then a Namek Vegito would be as strong as a hypothetical Black Freeza arc Vegito, which clearly makes no sense.

Battle of Gods and SSG narratively depend on SSG being above Z Vegito. That does not mean it is a fixed rule, just a narrative choice for that moment. Had Vegito appeared at the end of BoG, after Goku attained SSG, then Vegito would have been far stronger than Goku’s SSG.
There's nothing there to fix or wrap our heads around, at that time SSG made him stronger, as soon as Goku grew stronger, fusion was again the best route, because now SSG is fueling the fusion.

Yes but that's what I'm talking about. Sure the SSJ God is what the narrative chooses over Fusion when it comes to BoG. The same way the ToP also chooses UI over fusion. That doesn't mean UI sign Goku is stronger than Vegetto Blue or Gogeta Blue. That's why I also believe SSJG Goku isn't stronger than Boo Saga Super Vegetto (and Janemba Movie Super Gogeta).
Maybe indeed SSJG Goku was meant to be stronger than Super Vegetto back when Toriyama thought about the form 13 years ago and Beerus not being so much superior as we see nowadays. It took Vegetto Blue to show up for someone to say that Beerus has been surpassed.
So a clear retcon happened, and the patterns I later see with Super in regards to fusions are the same I see in the Boo Saga, which suggests that the base forms from both Metamoru and Potara Fusions are by nature at least 3 transformations ahead of 2 unfused individuals' (Saiyajins) base forms.

SSJ1 Vegetto completely destroys Super Boo with Gotenks, Piccolo and Ultimate Gohan absorbed. While SSJ3 Goku couldn't even handle Super Boo with only Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed. And Toei has base Vegetto being on par with Super Boo (Gotenks + Piccolo + Gohan absorbed), or slightly stronger.

Super Gogeta shows to be much superior to Super Janemba, who gave a hard time to SSJ3 Goku in that movie.

Base Kefla in the anime is stronger than SSJG Goku, while unfused Caulifla and Kale were just a bit below base Goku. SSJ Kefla was slightly stronger than SSJB + Kaioken Goku.

Base Gogeta in DBS Broly is likely stronger than both Goku & Vegeta in their God forms, given how his SSJ1 is stronger than their Blue forms.

Basically this is the way how I see fusions’ raw power working, pretty much the base power of the two individuals fused, making the multiplier much higher than just someone alone can achieve with their transforms, that's why fusion's forms are in the level they are, with base fusion being above a SSJ God, SSJ1 fusion above a SSJB. Of course, it depends on two rules.

1 - The two individuals who fuse have to be equal or very close to each other in power. If the fusion is between one who is much stronger and one who is much weaker, it won't be as effective as how we saw with the Saiyajins. Fused Zamasu is an example. It's a fusion between Base Goku Black and Zamasu, who are very close to each other in power, but Goku Black has his transformations, especially SSJRose who is much, much ahead of Zamasu. That's why Fused Zamasu struggles a lot against Goku, who was alone with just his Full Power SSJB.

2 - Of course a hypothetical Namek Vegetto wouldn't be stronger than SSJ God Goku. What I'm doing is imagining a scenario where Goku and Vegeta's base forms in Super (or at least in BoG) are around the same level they were back in the Cell arc. And imagining that in the Boo arc they also have that same level, it would make fusion superior to SSJ God Goku. Base fusion only, no need for SSJ1. Unless SSJ God's multiplier is higher than base Fusion's multiplier. But Super shows the opposite (Kefla, Gogeta).

I only believe that Super Vegetto in DBS is stronger than Boo arc Super Vegetto because Super suggests that Goku and Vegeta's base forms became stronger.

That's also one of the reasons I do not consider the Two Base theory, since Toriyama, Toei and Toyotaro intended to make Goku and Vegeta continue enhancing their base forms. Beyond God was meant to replace the power they use in their pure base forms. The only transformation was going to be SSJBlue, which is SSJ1 multiplier + God multiplier.

Also, just to make it clear, I used the Cell Saga as a parameter for the base forms because I believe it was the last arc prior to Super where we could have some idea of how strong the base forms were, alongside Piccolo as an example. Goku and Vegeta after their Zenkai Boosts in Namek got stronger than Piccolo Fused with Nail and 3rd Form Freeza. Both Goku and Vegeta used SSJ1 (stronger than Freeza's full power) to fight Android 19, and showed to be much superior to him. Piccolo also showed to be superior to Dr. Gero, but he trained for 3 years, Goku and Vegeta also trained for 3 years, so their base forms got stronger. So either Goku and Vegeta could deal with 19 and Gero in their base forms, but decided to transform just to impress, or Piccolo got stronger to the point he was superior to Base Goku and Vegeta in that moment, or both were around the same level.
After Piccolo fuses with Kami he becomes much stronger than a SSJ1, after that, the characters go to the ROSAT. As far as I know SSJ1 Full Power is the same multiplier as the original SSJ1, so to reach Perfect Cell's level Goku and Gohan probably enhanced their base forms a lot, but I don't know if the base forms are the same level as post-ROSAT Piccolo or not, and after that saga, we only see the characters using their base forms to fight…Pui Pui.

But this is before Super. Super suggests that their base forms got stronger than post ROSAT-Piccolo Fused with Kami, at least after BoG and especially at the Zamasu arc.
In the anime, Piccolo is weaker than Tagoma, who's weaker than Final Form Freeza, who was on par with Base Goku.
In the manga, Piccolo seemed to be on par or slightly stronger than Final Form Frost, who was outmatched by SSJ1 Goku.

Let's remember, in Super Hero (both manga and anime) when Piccolo says that the Gammas are around the same power as Goku and Vegeta, he doesn't specify a form, and there's the detail that Piccolo can't sense God Ki. So his basis can only be their SSJ3 and 2. God and Blue would be mostly just a visual perception (unless UI can be sensed the same way as the regular forms, but I don't think so, or else, Orange Piccolo is confirmed to be UI level, given how Gamma 2 could do nothing to him)
When Ultimate Gohan fights Gamma 1, he shows to be superior, as he's stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but below SSJ God Goku.

Base Gohan and Piccolo are hard to speculate, but if I had to guess about Goku and Vegeta, using Goku Black and the Zenkai boost line in the Zamasu arc as reference, I believe their base forms are currently around Boo saga SSJ2 level or a bit stronger.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I often see people downplay Piccolo's assessment of Gamma 1 and 2 because he can't sense God Ki.

But that's not really that much of an issue. For example, Goku correctly assessed how strong 17 was by fighting him and could tell he was holding back when he recruited him.

Piccolo can easily do the same thing, gauging just how little effort Gamma 2 was putting into beating him down to get an idea of how strong he really was.

[QuakingStar]

I often see people downplay Piccolo's assessment of Gamma 1 and 2 because he can't sense God Ki.

But that's not really that much of an issue. For example, Goku correctly assessed how strong 17 was by fighting him and could tell he was holding back when he recruited him.

Piccolo can easily do the same thing, gauging just how little effort Gamma 2 was putting into beating him down to get an idea of how strong he really was.

Piccolo was able to sense SSG Goku vs Wrathful Broly and knew Broly was too strong. I think he can sense God Ki, only time this seems to not truly be the case after is when UI is being used in the Moro Arc.

[Koitsukai]

Yes but that's what I'm talking about. Sure the SSJ God is what the narrative chooses over Fusion when it comes to BoG. The same way the ToP also chooses UI over fusion. That doesn't mean UI sign Goku is stronger than Vegetto Blue or Gogeta Blue. That's why I also believe SSJG Goku isn't stronger than Boo Saga Super Vegetto (and Janemba Movie Super Gogeta).
Maybe indeed SSJG Goku was meant to be stronger than Super Vegetto back when Toriyama thought about the form 13 years ago and Beerus not being so much superior as we see nowadays. It took Vegetto Blue to show up for someone to say that Beerus has been surpassed.
So a clear retcon happened, and the patterns I later see with Super in regards to fusions are the same I see in the Boo Saga, which suggests that the base forms from both Metamoru and Potara Fusions are by nature at least 3 transformations ahead of 2 unfused individuals' (Saiyajins) base forms.

I only believe that Super Vegetto in DBS is stronger than Boo arc Super Vegetto because Super suggests that Goku and Vegeta's base forms became stronger.

That’s the thing: there’s no retcon, because there’s no need for one. Fusion was never stated to produce a fixed amount of power, so nothing is being contradicted or retconned.
Fusion scales with the strength of the fusees. As they grow stronger, the result of the fusion also becomes stronger. It’s no different from saying Vegeta can surpass Goku even if Goku was previously stronger, that’s just character progression, not a retcon.


- In Z, let’s say Goku and Vegeta at their strongest forms had a power level of 10M each (just a random number). Fusion works with that raw material, producing something much higher (say 50M).
- In BoG, SSG gave Goku a boost that surpassed what fusion could achieve at that time, because their individual power ceilings were still relatively low before the ritual (say 75M).
- In DBS (Trunks saga), both have grown massively stronger (say 100M each), so fusion now has much more raw material to work with, naturally resulting in a far stronger outcome than before, easily surpassing what once outclassed it (SSG).

It's like placing a bet, if I bet 50 bucks, I'll make some money, but if I bet 500 bucks, I'll make much more. In DBS, they are betting with much bigger numbers thanks to their new forms.

So fusion didn’t change, the fusees did.

I often see people downplay Piccolo's assessment of Gamma 1 and 2 because he can't sense God Ki.

But that's not really that much of an issue. For example, Goku correctly assessed how strong 17 was by fighting him and could tell he was holding back when he recruited him.

Piccolo can easily do the same thing, gauging just how little effort Gamma 2 was putting into beating him down to get an idea of how strong he really was.

My answer to that is that these aren't real characters. If that line was there, then it probably was the intention of the author to make that comparisson.
Did the author forget that they have established some rules about ki sensing? probably, it happens all the time, everywhere. I doubt they are throwing lines that make no sense just because. Mind you, lines that haven't been called out in the material itself.

[angeldreamZ004]

That’s the thing: there’s no retcon, because there’s no need for one. Fusion was never stated to produce a fixed amount of power, so nothing is being contradicted or retconned.
Fusion scales with the strength of the fusees. As they grow stronger, the result of the fusion also becomes stronger. It’s no different from saying Vegeta can surpass Goku even if Goku was previously stronger, that’s just character progression, not a retcon.

- In Z, let’s say Goku and Vegeta at their strongest forms had a power level of 10M each (just a random number). Fusion works with that raw material, producing something much higher (say 50M).
- In BoG, SSG gave Goku a boost that surpassed what fusion could achieve at that time, because their individual power ceilings were still relatively low before the ritual (say 75M).

I apologize if I expressed myself in a confusing way. But I meant to mention retcon considering a hypothetical scenario where SSJ God explicitly had a higher multiplier than Fusion, especially because we see Fusion + SSJ1.
My problem is that I just don't recall SSJ God Goku from BoG being stated to be superior to Super Vegetto from Boo Saga (or even a BoG Super Vegetto, which i think would be kinda the same thing), or even Base Vegetto, it's how high each multiplier is.
I can see you tried to explain by saying that both Goku and Vegeta were weaker before the ritual, but how? The ritual somehow made them stronger? I also don't remember this.
I only remember Goku saying that not even fusion would be able to handle Beerus, but he also lost as a SSJ God. I don't see that translating to = BoG God Goku -> BoG Super Vegetto
I think Vegeta's Enraged SSJ2 is the only thing that could suggest this.
I tried to find official information on this, but I can only find fans saying “yes”. The official series makes it vague as far as I know. I think SSJ God Goku is stronger than Boo Arc Super Vegetto starting from the Zamasu arc only. Or at least, after BoG, it's in the Golden Freeza arc where I think we start to have some idea of how stronger the base forms got.

I often see people downplay Piccolo's assessment of Gamma 1 and 2 because he can't sense God Ki.

But that's not really that much of an issue. For example, Goku correctly assessed how strong 17 was by fighting him and could tell he was holding back when he recruited him.

Piccolo can easily do the same thing, gauging just how little effort Gamma 2 was putting into beating him down to get an idea of how strong he really was.

Piccolo was able to sense SSG Goku vs Wrathful Broly and knew Broly was too strong. I think he can sense God Ki, only time this seems to not truly be the case after is when UI is being used in the Moro Arc.

Also, “Android Ki” is not supposed to be sensed as well lol. That's why I said I believe it could be a visual perception, my hypothesis is that he says the Gammas were as strong as Goku and Vegeta by using physical parameters, like, how strong Gamma 2’ punches, kicks and blasts felt, so he compared it to Goku and Vegeta, and that's the conclusion he arrived, he's not talking about power limit or how big the ki is.

Or else, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJB Goku and Vegeta from any of the previous arcs, and Orange Piccolo may be almost UI sign level. Which I think would be okay if it was precise. But the vagueness of Piccolo's line is what opens it to many interpretations in my opinion, and he hadn't seen Gamma 2 at his full power, he saw him mocking him. So these were his references. I think that's a good way to interpret his line without downplaying it. His references were visual, vocal and physical only, not spiritual. He would need to take Gamma 2's sacrifice as the most precise reference, given how that attack was most likely the manifestation of his full power.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Again, anchoring Goku’s level to his Cell Games/Boo Saga self isn’t ideal here. SSJ3 Goku is considered stronger than Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks in the beginning of Super,
and all versions of Battle of Gods show us Gohan at his peak. You can downplay how big that gap is, but it shows Goku isn’t exactly the same. Also would be very weird if Daima Goku were stronger than his DBS self, since Daima is such low stakes and relatively featless…

I really don’t know what to think with Base Goku here. Saiyan Beyond God is a card game thing so “God-like state” is the closest to an official name. Expecting this to be explained is being too hopeful, because what we’re talking about is inconsistencies that the series never bothered to even acknowledge. That vague mention of Goku and Vegeta powering up without transforming is the closest we ever got to an explanation.

On the possibility of a retcon… I think retcon is too strong a word to use here. The idea of Piccolo and Trunks being absurdly strong (And by that I mean high Boo Arc level, not SSJG level. SSJG level is clearly off the table here), as far fetched as it is, isn’t directly contradicted. So it’s been retconned by… what, exactly? It’s like saying Cell was retconned to be weaker than Freeza. No, Freeza trained and got stronger than Cell. These characters make vague mentions of having trained and we’re supposed to roll with it.

And don’t even get me started on fusion. It’s all random bullshit, go! On that.

[Grimlock]

Saiyan Beyond God is a card game thing so “God-like state” is the closest to an official name.

"God-like state" was a translation choice of words by some fan. I don't believe we have that image in Japanese to know if it's really called that. It being from a card game is exactly what makes it "(closest to) an official name".

[angeldreamZ004]

Again, anchoring Goku’s level to his Cell Games/Boo Saga self isn’t ideal here. SSJ3 Goku is considered stronger than Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks in the beginning of Super,
and all versions of Battle of Gods show us Gohan at his peak. You can downplay how big that gap is, but it shows Goku isn’t exactly the same.

Maybe because I tried to simplify too much, but I liked to use the Cell Games as a “placeholder” because I believe it's the last moment in the original series where the base forms are somehow verifiable as far as I remember. SSJ1 Full Power is supposed to have the same multiplier as regular SSJ1 if I'm not mistaken, which would mean that they made their base forms strong enough to compete with Perfect Cell in their SSJ1 forms. After that, I think it's just too hard to see something, remember, the base forms are used to fight Pui Pui at best. Unless I'm missing something.
As for SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Ultimate Gohan in Beerus' arrival, I also don't remember that (then that would explain the Tapion movie lol), but I'll buy that because I think I do remember some points of the story that do suggest he's indeed the strongest at that moment. I have no idea if it is said though, if it's in Super Manga, Anime or BoG Movie, or in two or in all three, but I'll trust my memory.
And then later there's Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta considered to be stronger than Goku. But it's vague so I don't know if it only refers to raw power, the transformations, etc.
You can later also connect this to SSJ1 Vegeta beating up SSJ1 Goku Black i think. (Again, I'm not 100% sure if Vegeta is indeed SSJ1 in that fight. DB wiki says it's SSJ2 enraged, but should I even trust it? I personally believe it's just 1)

On the possibility of a retcon… I think retcon is too strong a word to use here. The idea of Piccolo and Trunks being absurdly strong (And by that I mean high Boo Arc level, not SSJG level. SSJG level is clearly off the table here), as far fetched as it is, isn’t directly contradicted. So it’s been retconned by… what, exactly? It’s like saying Cell was retconned to be weaker than Freeza. No, Freeza trained and got stronger than Cell. These characters make vague mentions of having trained and we’re supposed to roll with it.

I know, again I apologize if I made it sound confusing, but I repeat, it's not meant to be taken too seriously as I used the word retcon for a specific short fraction of my previous post to refer to a hypothetical scenario where the SSJ God Multiplier was meant to be higher than the Fusion multiplier (maybe I confused this at some point and said Super Vegetto instead of Fusion multiplier, if I did, my bad).
Like, imagine if Toriyama explicitly wanted to convince us that the God multiplier is above the Fusion multiplier back in BoG. Then this concept would be clearly retconned later on, because in the ToP (Anime) and DBS Broly, we see the fusion multiplier (a.k.a Base Form Fusion) superior to a solo SSJ God. We see this with Base Kefla (explicit) and Base Gogeta (implicit, but it's easy to determine given how his SSJ1 surpasses a solo SSJB)
So considering this scenario, it would be a retcon, or an inconsistency, contradicting what was previously established.
But in reality, I don't think that's how Super works, as I see enough evidence to support the ideas that:

-This is indeed how Fusion multiplier works, and it has always been like this, or at least, in Boo arc, base form fusions were superior to a solo SSJ3. In Super, superior to a solo SSJ God.

-SSJ God multiplier is not above fusion multiplier. At least not from the ToP onwards. (Zamasu Arc is not considered because Vegetto doesn't use his base form to fight, skipping to his Blue Form, which obliterates Fused Zamasu)

As for BoG SSJ God Goku being stronger or weaker than Boo Arc SSJ1 Vegetto, I believe there's not enough evidence to support both sides, I think both the movie and Super decide to remain vague in regards to that detail. We have the narrative telling us that Goku and Vegeta did enhance their base forms, but I think that's still very little. That would put Boo Arc SSJGod Goku above Boo Arc Vegetto, but which form? Only Base Vegetto? On par or above SSJ1 Vegetto? I really have no idea. (And again, I think “not even fusion would handle Beerus” lacks substance, given how it was said before he attained the SSJGod, and that transformation also couldn't handle Beerus)

As for the "Beyond God after the 2015 Movie" hypothesis. I think it's unlikely / weak in evidence. Stronger base forms is the most likely to me and what I believe they had in mind. Base Goku outmaches Final Form Freeza in the movie but is on par with him in the anime for two very specific reasons, I don't think it's a inconsistency.

[Koitsukai]

I apologize if I expressed myself in a confusing way. But I meant to mention retcon considering a hypothetical scenario where SSJ God explicitly had a higher multiplier than Fusion, especially because we see Fusion + SSJ1.
My problem is that I just don't recall SSJ God Goku from BoG being stated to be superior to Super Vegetto from Boo Saga (or even a BoG Super Vegetto, which i think would be kinda the same thing), or even Base Vegetto, it's how high each multiplier is.
I can see you tried to explain by saying that both Goku and Vegeta were weaker before the ritual, but how? The ritual somehow made them stronger? I also don't remember this.
I only remember Goku saying that not even fusion would be able to handle Beerus, but he also lost as a SSJ God. I don't see that translating to = BoG God Goku -> BoG Super Vegetto
I think Vegeta's Enraged SSJ2 is the only thing that could suggest this.
I tried to find official information on this, but I can only find fans saying “yes”. The official series makes it vague as far as I know. I think SSJ God Goku is stronger than Boo Arc Super Vegetto starting from the Zamasu arc only. Or at least, after BoG, it's in the Golden Freeza arc where I think we start to have some idea of how stronger the base forms got.

You won't find any direct statements about it, but the narrative itself is testament of that.
The author chose to have fusion not be enough in favour of a new godly form that turned out to not be enough either, but it made Beerus exert himself even if it was just a bit, to the point he spared Earth.
Prior to that, according to Goku (and the author himself), fusion wouldn't even be able to do that, it would suffer the same fate as them individually.
How can we conclude that? because Goku was thrilled when using the god form, lammented on reaching that level with the help of others, and he believed it was going to be enough and he was even holding back, until Beerus proved to be even stronger. The author had Goku taste that power and think differently than when he thought about the power of fusion. So, it's how the story was conceived that scales fusion and SSG, and it'll be the story's progression that will scale them again differentely later.

And the ritual made Goku stronger by "unlocking" a new form that rivaled Beerus. Even after the form rans out, he still had that power in him... on his own he is doing something that at best Z Vegito can and at worst he cannot.
Now picture that same SS Goku, that can do almost as good as SSG Goku, fused with a Vegeta with the same increase in power(whether it was the ritual or a natural way to unlock SSG)... of course, their fusion would destroy Z Vegito and a SSG. Now picture them 3 or 4 arcs later. They are using SSG and Z Vegito as coasters without the need to even fuse with each other. That's how a fusion that wouldn't cut is now rivalling Beerus, according to Shin.

Also, I'm not talking about their base forms, I'm talking about their full power that increases greatly in BoG and RoF. Fusion uses all of their power, not just their base forms.

[angeldreamZ004]

You won't find any direct statements about it, but the narrative itself is testament of that.
The author chose to have fusion not be enough in favour of a new godly form that turned out to not be enough either, but it made Beerus exert himself even if it was just a bit, to the point he spared Earth.
Prior to that, according to Goku (and the author himself), fusion wouldn't even be able to do that, it would suffer the same fate as them individually.
How can we conclude that? because Goku was thrilled when using the god form, lammented on reaching that level with the help of others, and he believed it was going to be enough and he was even holding back, until Beerus proved to be even stronger. The author had Goku taste that power and think differently than when he thought about the power of fusion. So, it's how the story was conceived that scales fusion and SSG, and it'll be the story's progression that will scale them again differentely later.

And the ritual made Goku stronger by "unlocking" a new form that rivaled Beerus. Even after the form rans out, he still had that power in him... on his own he is doing something that at best Z Vegito can and at worst he cannot.
Now picture that same SS Goku, that can do almost as good as SSG Goku, fused with a Vegeta with the same increase in power(whether it was the ritual or a natural way to unlock SSG)... of course, their fusion would destroy Z Vegito and a SSG. Now picture them 3 or 4 arcs later. They are using SSG and Z Vegito as coasters without the need to even fuse with each other. That's how a fusion that wouldn't cut is now rivalling Beerus, according to Shin.

Also, I'm not talking about their base forms, I'm talking about their full power that increases greatly in BoG and RoF. Fusion uses all of their power, not just their base forms.

I think the problem is that the stronger SSJ Goku who fought Beerus is no longer seen after that fight. That followed the beyond god concept as far I know, which was abandoned after the 2015 movie.
Boo Arc Super Vegetto was my reference because I didn't know how strong Goku and Vegeta got in the Beerus arc, I thought their full extent was still the same or very close to that. But after I was reminded about them getting stronger, Goku being the strongest and Vegeta later surpassing him, I can understand now.
Considering that, not just SSJG, but Beyond God Goku from the 2015 movie would be superior to Boo Arc Super Vegetto.

The thing is, and the reason why I used the word “retcon” before, is in regards to the multipliers. I'm considering the base forms because I think it's important for us to understand how the SSJG and Fusion multipliers work later.

Now my comparison is no longer with Boo Arc Vegetto, but with a hypothetical BoG Vegetto, and not even Super Vegetto, but base Vegetto only. I'm not considering the transformations because they'll consequently add the multipliers they have, so obviously that will only make Vegetto stronger and stronger, so fusion + the transformation is not my point, my point is the fusion's multiplier, raw power.

If BoG SSJG Goku's (or Beyond God SSJ1 Goku) multiplier was meant to be higher than the multiplier of the fusion during BoG, then I'm pretty sure that would be a retcon, because Super later establishes that the fusion multiplier (again, no transformations) is higher than God multiplier. So for me it's hard to believe BoG SSJG Goku was stronger than a BoG base Vegetto for that reason, unless it's what Toriyama intended at the time, and changed his mind as Super progressed.