Dragonball Z - Season 3 Set

Arcwave · Post by **Arcwave** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:39 pm

Wow... I don't want to sound like a dick or anything, but these are all minor issues that most people wouldn't give the slightest sh*t about. I mean, common, you guys are all freezing frames that would be almost impossible for some joe-smoe to recollect. I know you are all loyal to the original Japanese master, but this season set looks pretty damn good. Hell, I just finished it on my 64" Widescreen HDTV and really found no problems, not even in the widescreen transfer (except for some minor stuff in the closing still shots, but nothing to worry about).

This is ridiculous, but whatever, to each his own I guess.

Kamehameha!

/j

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:42 pm

Arcwave wrote:Wow... I don't want to sound like a dick or anything, but these are all minor issues that most people wouldn't give the slightest sh*t about. I mean, common, you guys are all freezing frames that would be almost impossible for some joe-smoe to recollect. I know you are all loyal to the original Japanese master, but this season set looks pretty damn good. Hell, I just finished it on my 64" Widescreen HDTV and really found no problems, not even in the widescreen transfer (except for some minor stuff in the closing still shots, but nothing to worry about).

This is ridiculous, but whatever, to each his own I guess.

Kamehameha!

/j

I sort of agree, but it's so noticable in this set that you can't ignore it.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:44 pm

you guys are all freezing frames that would be almost impossible for some joe-smoe to recollect

Not really, we freeze frame the shots from certain scenes that look bad. Its not like we are freezing a frame, zooming in, highlighting the problem areas and bitching about it. These are all obvious when watching it normally.

Edit: And Iam actually for these sets.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:48 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
you guys are all freezing frames that would be almost impossible for some joe-smoe to recollect
Not really, we freeze frame the shots from certain scenes that look bad. Its not like we are freezing a frame, zooming in, highlighting the problem areas and bitching about it. These are all obvious when watching it normally.

Edit: And Iam actually for these sets.

I actually like these sets too, but it has flaws that are undeniable. Plus the fact that I heard it looks like shit in HD, with all of the grain apparent and dirt evrywhere.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:00 pm

As soon as something moves faster than usual, or the screen shakes, the damage is clearly noticeable. Not only that loss of black lines, but I noticed that some black lines were damage in non-shaking frames.

I've come to the conclusion that as far as problems go:

Line damage > Widescreen

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:22 pm

The funny thing is that we will still be complaining about the same problems when they release season 8.... But I guess at least the better animation will help it out a little. Either way I still like these sets for what they are. I remember buying this saga on uncut VHS for 20 bucks for 3 episodes, so I am pretty happy.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:10 pm

Arcwave wrote:Wow... I don't want to sound like a dick or anything, but these are all minor issues that most people wouldn't give the slightest sh*t about. I mean, common, you guys are all freezing frames that would be almost impossible for some joe-smoe to recollect. I know you are all loyal to the original Japanese master, but this season set looks pretty damn good. Hell, I just finished it on my 64" Widescreen HDTV and really found no problems, not even in the widescreen transfer (except for some minor stuff in the closing still shots, but nothing to worry about).

This is ridiculous, but whatever, to each his own I guess.

Kamehameha!

Also not to sound like a dick, but I think I can pull something from another thread that covers similar territory:

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Li'l Lemmy wrote:
PythonMonty504 wrote:I looked at that opening sequences quite a couple of times, and I can't see it. You'd have to be watching it frame-by-frame, and who has time for that?
It's not about watching it frame-by-frame. I think Corey was merely pointing out the general craptacularness of the copy they chose-- it's just one more thing to throw onto the argument of how rushed/compromised/thoughtless the set is in general, and not meant to be a specific ZOMG THIS ONE FRAME MEANS DON'T BUY THIS!!

~Lemmy
DING DING DING ;p

FWIW, I actually discovered that frame when checking the intro for Progressive flags (as it wasn't reading as 100% Film in DGIndex). I'm not so crazy as to suggest not buying a release because of a single flawed frame, I was just stating (as Lemmy suggested) that if FUNimation was only gonna encode the opening once (since it is the EXACT same digital copy each and every time "Head Cha La" plays) you'd think they would encode it...well, competantly.

Toniofalcon · Post by **Toniofalcon** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:34 pm

A few questions.

1). Can you turn on the US music?

2). Can you turn on Japanese voices w/ subtitles.

I think the US music really matches the tone of the US dub voices, which I like the dub voices . Basically, I want each dub to go to their respective music. Is this possible?

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:40 pm

Toniofalcon wrote:A few questions.

'Kay, shoot.

Toniofalcon wrote:1). Can you turn on the US music?

The English score is available for the English audio.

Toniofalcon wrote:2). Can you turn on Japanese voices w/ subtitles.

This has been a feaure of every FUNimation-released DBZ DVD since the very beginning, and it continues with these Season Sets.

Toniofalcon wrote:I think the US music really matches the tone of the US dub voices, which I like the dub voices . Basically, I want each dub to go to their respective music. Is this possible?

It is. Audio-wise, each of the individual versions has full presentation; English with English music, Japanese with Japanese music and optional subtitles.

Hope that helps!

~Da Lemmy

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:58 pm

It's going to be weird hearing Gohan's transformation in ep. 185 with the japanese music. I'm so used to seeing that with the U.S music.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:37 pm

Arcwave wrote:Wow... I don't want to sound like a dick or anything, but these are all minor issues that most people wouldn't give the slightest sh*t about. I mean, common, you guys are all freezing frames that would be almost impossible for some joe-smoe to recollect. I know you are all loyal to the original Japanese master, but this season set looks pretty damn good. Hell, I just finished it on my 64" Widescreen HDTV and really found no problems, not even in the widescreen transfer (except for some minor stuff in the closing still shots, but nothing to worry about).

This is ridiculous, but whatever, to each his own I guess.

Kamehameha!

/j

Actually, those who didn't buy the Dragon Boxes were perfectly content with FUNimation's older "Ultimate Uncut Releases." FUNi claimed every single frame in the series is being remastered. When shit this noticable pops up on screen WHILE IN MOTION, then it becomes apparent that someone lied about their product even moreso than they originally did.

Yes, they're stopped and have screenshots taken. However, these are not quick blips that pass by. These are during even lengthy segments. Considering we're well aware of these things, most of us are catching these as they happen, rather than going over the scenes again and again to catch them.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:44 pm

Sorry for the crappy quality (had to save as a .GIF to upload) but this still gets the point across.

Eww.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:28 pm

fps_anth wrote:Sorry for the crappy quality (had to save as a .GIF to upload) but this still gets the point across.

*major snippage*

Eww.

Sweet merciful Moses! O_O

Hero 004 · Post by **Hero 004** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:04 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Hero 004 wrote:A quick question about the season sets in general. Do they contain the same start up and endings as the Ultimate Uncut Special Editions (the super long one that is shaded red)?
Nope. The opening for both the Dub w/t Japanese music and the Dub w/t TV Broadcast music is the textless Cha-La segment with the Mark Menza instrumental used in DBZ movies 6-7 and 9-12. The ending is the textless version of the Zenkai Power segment with the Japanese song staying in the dub w/t Japanese music track, though the Mark Menza UUE java-lava instrumental is in the TV Broadcast track.

Hmm, well, although un-popular, I liked that opening and closing. Also, Popo and such make sense, but I don't like how much re-dubbing is included in this. I'm also really afraid that I'm going to notice those ugly lineless shots.

Damn, I'm usually not so negative about stuff, but these boxes are really stacking the odds against my purchasing them.

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:44 pm

fps_anth wrote:Sorry for the crappy quality (had to save as a .GIF to upload)

Umm... why?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:30 pm

fps_anth wrote:Sorry for the crappy quality (had to save as a .GIF to upload) but this still gets the point across.

*snip*

Eww.

That's horrible. I've been hearing about how Season 3 is actually decent in it's psuedo-remastering and then there's this?

Blech. Reminds me of space ship scenes from the start of Season 2 all over again.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:39 pm

russ869 wrote:
fps_anth wrote:Sorry for the crappy quality (had to save as a .GIF to upload)
Umm... why?

Imageshack was being a bitch. .BMP or .PNG was too big for some reason. However, it doesn't really matter. It still looks like crap either way. The weird thing is that during other "earthquake-like" scenes, the lines won't disappear...

Post by **TripleRach** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:46 pm

fps_anth wrote:
russ869 wrote:
fps_anth wrote:Sorry for the crappy quality (had to save as a .GIF to upload)
Umm... why?
Imageshack was being a bitch. .BMP or .PNG was too big for some reason.

BMP's are always huge, since they're uncompressed, and they really aren't suitable for the web anyway. But why not JPG if PNG was too large?

Not asking you to redo it or anything, since it certainly gets the point across, but just curious.

Toniofalcon · Post by **Toniofalcon** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:18 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:It's going to be weird hearing Gohan's transformation in ep. 185 with the japanese music. I'm so used to seeing that with the U.S music.

will spirit v spirit make it?

Also, as far as the whole debate on the quality of the DVDs and FUNi's lies and such. Yeah, everyone would have liked a better quality job but no one but hardcore fans are actually willing to pay x amount of money for the Dragonbox. Even so, they don't even have English subtitles. I know the series enough to know what's going on, but definitely not enough to accurately know what they are saying in each scene.

Basically, this is the only way that most people can get the Dragon Ball Z material in that form right now. The easiest way, the cheapest way. When you consider the circumstances you will realize that the box set isn't that bad. Nothing that's wrong with the sets could possible get in the way of me enjoying the show.

I can't wait until the Cell Games box set comes out. SSJ 2 Gohan is without a doubt my favorite character in the series. Also, like I said earlier. The music for the US fits the tone that the US version tried to create. I think they're both equally great.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:26 pm

Toniofalcon wrote:Nothing that's wrong with the sets could possible get in the way of me enjoying the show.

Quoted for truth.

Kanzenshuu

Dragonball Z - Season 3 Set

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