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TheQuazz wrote:
That's a pretty popular opinion. I haven't met anyone who's watched both versions and still prefers Funimation's dub.
I have. I know several who absolutely despise the Ocean version.
Seriously? The Funimation dub can't even pronounce Kaio-Ken right, and their script of Tree of Might is based off the inaccurate Saban TV version. I guess that just shows how stubbon of some of the Funimation dub fans are.
If I could hazard a guess, it could have something to do with vocal consistency. Some people (myself included at times, though it only goes so far) really like it when you can watch through all of something and the same actor plays the character throughout. That was one of the biggest deals to a lot of dub fans when the Ultimate Uncut line started, we were finally going to get to see the Saiyan arc with the actors we had grown familiar with throughout the rest of the in-house dubbed material.
That said though, with those three movies, I do find myself a bit biased towards the Ocean dub, since I saw them so many times with that dub back in the day, and thus find myself preferring certain performances there even if I don't in the show proper. It's weird, I admit.
Gaffer Tape wrote:
soppa saia people wrote:And on the subject of manga, am I like the only one who doesn't like full color manga ? Seriously I don't see what's so great about them.
I can't really say I actively dislike them. Then again, on principle, I find the idea as eye-rollingly annoying as colorizing black and white films. But as long as they don't ever supplant non-colored/original-colored versions, then I have no qualms with them existing. Really, I'm just entirely apathetic about them. Even putting aside my principles, there's just really nothing there that interests me or makes me feel compelled to buy the manga again just to have the same thing but in color. Even just aesthetically speaking, I prefer the Dragon Ball manga in black and white anyway.
I'm in the same boat really where I find myself just kinda apathetic towards them. They do look really nice, and who knows, maybe some day I'll break and buy them...but for now I'm perfectly happy with the VizBigs. If I wanna see the series in color, there's always the anime sitting there after all.
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Dragon Ball Minus makes more sense than the FOG TV special.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:Dragon Ball Minus makes more sense than the FOG TV special.
Hm? But it actually does. In Dragon Ball Minus we know for sure that all the Saiyans were called to return and, to make sure that everyone indeed got back, one month was given. In the TV Special, that was left pretty vague.
And apart from that, I don't see any other point that the TV Special made less sense and vice versa. But Dragon Ball Minus is still a piece of crap and it's only worthy because of Gine.
Dbzfan94 wrote:I don't like the Ocean very much at all and prefer the Funimation Z over it.
I prefer the Funi dub as well but that's because I can watch their dub very easily, with Ocean, I don't even know how to get any episodes besides the rock the dragon set. But if you forced me to watch one dub of the Saiyan saga, Ocean all the way, Saffron Henderson is so much better then Nadonly, Ian James Corlett is my favorite English Gokuu, and while I like Sabat as Vegeta and especially Piccolo, Drummond and McNeil both knocked it outta the park for their roles. Really the only Ocean voice I dislike is Kuririn voice as Gyt Kaliba mentioned.
Dbzfan94 wrote:I don't like the Ocean very much at all and prefer the Funimation Z over it.
I prefer the Funi dub as well but that's because I can watch their dub very easily, with Ocean, I don't even know how to get any episodes besides the rock the dragon set. But if you forced me to watch one dub of the Saiyan saga, Ocean all the way, Saffron Henderson is so much better then Nadonly, Ian James Corlett is my favorite English Gokuu, and while I like Sabat as Vegeta and especially Piccolo, Drummond and McNeil both knocked it outta the park for their roles. Really the only Ocean voice I dislike is Kuririn voice as Gyt Kaliba mentioned.
My issue with the Ocean dub is less the voices more so the lack of an uncut and SUPER cheesy dialogue.
FUNi (season 3+) has plenty of it too but Ocean was on a whole 'nother level. I hear their movies are really good so that's a plus I guess
Dbzfan94 wrote:I don't like the Ocean very much at all and prefer the Funimation Z over it.
I prefer the Funi dub as well but that's because I can watch their dub very easily, with Ocean, I don't even know how to get any episodes besides the rock the dragon set. But if you forced me to watch one dub of the Saiyan saga, Ocean all the way, Saffron Henderson is so much better then Nadonly, Ian James Corlett is my favorite English Gokuu, and while I like Sabat as Vegeta and especially Piccolo, Drummond and McNeil both knocked it outta the park for their roles. Really the only Ocean voice I dislike is Kuririn voice as Gyt Kaliba mentioned.
My issue with the Ocean dub is less the voices more so the lack of an uncut and SUPER cheesy dialogue.
FUNi (season 3+) has plenty of it too but Ocean was on a whole 'nother level. I hear their movies are really good so that's a plus I guess
Dbzfan94 wrote:
My issue with the Ocean dub is less the voices more so the lack of an uncut and SUPER cheesy dialogue.
FUNi (season 3+) has plenty of it too but Ocean was on a whole 'nother level. I hear their movies are really good so that's a plus I guess
To be fair tho, that's Funis fault.
To add on to this, I feel like the Ocean actors took the bad dialogue and acted it well. It was still horrible dialogue and really bad translations but they managed to make it sound good. That was my main probably with Funi (season 3+). They're stuff was really bad early on and it made it even worse with the bad actors acting the cheesy lines.
-I actually don't like transformations much at all and find them the laziest writing possible to explain a sudden advantage. I don't know if this unpopular on Kanzenshuu but it sure is everywhere else.
-That being said, rather contradictory, it bothers me that Raditz and Nappa haven't gone SSJ in the games yet, particularly in Heroes where despite all the other 'what if' SSJ transformations for every other saiyan character they aren't even allowed the most basic one.
-I'd actually like to see Chaozu and Yamcha get a day in the spotlight to show they're not as useless as everyone makes out. Again; not sure if unpopular on Kanzenshuu; you guys are far nicer about Krillin than everywhere else so maybe this extends to the other humans too.
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Akyon wrote:-I'd actually like to see Chaozu and Yamcha get a day in the spotlight to show they're not as useless as everyone makes out. Again; not sure if unpopular on Kanzenshuu; you guys are far nicer about Krillin than everywhere else so maybe this extends to the other humans too.
I'd like to see Yamcha go back to being the martial arts exposition guy. In early Dragon Ball, he knew a lot about techniques and past fighters, I'd love to see him become a repository of knowledge. Or even have the humans just training new fighters in the background, you don't even need to see the students, at least then they're doing something.
Lord Beerus wrote:Dragon Ball Minus makes more sense than the FOG TV special.
How can you say such a horrible thing? I thought we were cool!
Why....?
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
ryou766 wrote:Raditz should have had more relevance after his death since he's literally Goku's brother.
I agree. He's barely mentioned at all after his passing. I was always bothered by the same being done for 16 who never gets any references following the Cell saga, as though he never existed.
