Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

[Silver Sinspawn]

Are we choosing the name via voting system?
If so, Dragon Book currently has more votes.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

For the wiki, I think dub names should be included under the "Alternate Names" section of the article. I say this because dub fans might visit the wiki and may get confused from names like "Tullece" and such.

[Silver Sinspawn]

I'd hate to do something DBWikia did, but, you know how they have character templates?
Like, with the name, first appearances, addresses, and family?
I suggest we have those too.
It makes it easier to have all the alternate names at the top of the page in one small section.

[JulieYBM]

For the wiki, I think dub names should be included under the "Alternate Names" section of the article. I say this because dub fans might visit the wiki and may get confused from names like "Tullece" and such.

Not if these names are filtered to the proper article (i.e. Turles redirects to Tullece...which would likely have an image).

[Sprite Satan]

I agree with YBM. Redirects would serve that purpose perfectly well. As VegettoEX mentioned, the wiki wouldn't be giving favour to any dub over the other. Therefore, including only a few "alternate names" (by which I mean, the Funimation English dub and maybe some others depending on who contributes, which, whatever your personal opinion, would translate into "incorrect names" from the perspective of the wiki (true as possible to the original Japanese for those in favour, snobbish and run by weeaboos for those who deride it), would be awkward.

Infoboxes, which our erstwhile DB Wikia-hater has brought up surely will be part of things. Not to say that I have the inside scoop but it's one of the primary things a wiki can do. It would be very strange to not have such things as it would grind against the advantages of using a wiki in the first place.

[JulieYBM]

Speaking of info boxes, will the voice actors be listed as 'seiyuu', or 'voice actor'? Will their names be in western or eastern order?

[B]

Well, are we going to bother bringing up other actors? The whole reason people use "seiyuu" is due to the prominence of dub actors in anime culture in general, and it's shorter than "Japanese voice actor."

If we aren't going to bother with mentioning dub actors(again, don't know if this has been worked out or not), I vote for "voice actor."

[Hujio]

Speaking of info boxes, will the voice actors be listed as 'seiyuu', or 'voice actor'?

I'd say "Voice Actor", just so there's no confusion. They're equivalents, so I don't see that as much of an issue.

Will their names be in western or eastern order?

East or West, huh? Well, my vote would be for the Eastern tradition order, but that's just me. However, I'm one of the few who actually does it that way. I think of it like, if a seiyuu was walking around Tokyo and a fan sees them, how would that fan address them? By their name, which in Japan is family name first, given name second. Now I realize we're not in Japan, but I like having the name be in the same order as the kanji, so that they match.

I just find it stupid when Wikipedia and anime Wikia's in general do this:
Shigeru Chiba (千葉 繁; Chiba Shigeru)

What is the need to say someone's name twice? Put it one way, or the other. If you're consistent across the board, as far as naming order, then there shouldn't be an issue. And if you just use the traditional order, you can't out that garbage.

[JulieYBM]

Then, to avoid the Wikipedia situation, my money would go for eastern to capture the proper order the kanji are written in. I could go for western as well, but I think this will be something you and Mike decide on.

[Hujio]

Than, to avoid the Wikipedia situation, my money would go for eastern to capture the proper order the kanji are written in. I could go for western as well, but I think this will be something you and Mike decide on.

I'm totally sold on the traditional order, but I know Mike uses the western order on Daizenshuu EX. So it depends on how much he really cares about it. I say we go with one or the other. As long as we're consistent, it doesn't really matter to me. I just prefer the traditional order.

[ThunderPX]

Personally I'd go with the term "voice actor", but maybe have a section near the bottom of a character's article listing voice actors for various dubs.

[Ex-Dubbie369]

On the alternate names thing, one thing I've liked from the Transformers wiki is how, after the opening bio/paragraph, they have a list of all the alternate names from around the world. Here's Optimus Prime's page as an example.

[SaiyamanMS]

Obviously, the dub isn't our primary resource. But whether you like it or not, it is an official version of the series and if we are to be a completely comprehensive resource for all things Dragon Ball, we will have to at least acknowledge the existence of the dub and its terminology to a certain degree. Even if it's just a side note in an infobox saying "Funimation Name: Turles" or whatever.

[Sprite Satan]

Obviously, the dub isn't our primary resource. But whether you like it or not, it is an official version of the series and if we are to be a completely comprehensive resource for all things Dragon Ball, we will have to at least acknowledge the existence of the dub and its terminology to a certain degree. Even if it's just a side note in an infobox saying "Funimation Name: Turles" or whatever.

Surely if it's a completely comprehensive resource for all thing Dragon Ball in your image, it will have to at least acknowledge the existence of ALL officially licensed dubs of Dragon Ball ever?

[B]

The way I see it, since it's an English speaking site, the majority looking at this will most likely be more familiar with FUNimation's hooplah, and ignoring that is just going to cause somebody to "correct" articles unless it's stated what is and what is not factual.

[JulieYBM]

The way I see it, since it's an English speaking site, the majority looking at this will most likely be more familiar with FUNimation's hooplah, and ignoring that is just going to cause somebody to "correct" articles unless it's stated what is and what is not factual.

And those who 'correct' will be met with proper correction. I'm sure Mike has plans for a sort of mission statement for the Wiki that will cover what it is it aims to do, what we will and will not see on it, and...well, actually I think that's it. :p

[SaiyamanMS]

Surely if it's a completely comprehensive resource for all thing Dragon Ball in your image, it will have to at least acknowledge the existence of ALL officially licensed dubs of Dragon Ball ever?

I see no issue with including information about foreign dubs other than Funimation's English one. I'm more than willing to acknowledge the French, German, Italian, Chinese, Arabic, whatever, etc. versions of the show. After all, they're all also part of being the ultimate resource for all things Dragon Ball.

Bulbapedia openly acknowledges that Ash Ketchum, other than being known as Satoshi in Japanese, is named Sacha in France, Han Jiu in Korean and Xiǎo Zhì in Chinese. I see no reason why the same couldn't be done for Dragon Ball.

It also lists his voice actors in not only Japanese and English, but also Arabic, Catalan, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Filipino, Finnish, French (both Canadian and European), German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Italian, Korean, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese (both Brazilian and Portugal), Spanish (both Latin American and Spain), Swedish and Turkish.

Why should something similar not be done for Dragon Ball?

[Sprite Satan]

Why should something similar not be done for Dragon Ball?

I've little problem with it, depending on the focus of the wiki, it was just your original post made reference only to FUNimation's English dub.

[SaiyamanMS]

Well, that was mostly because Funimation's dub was the object that was being disputed at the time, not any of those other languages.

[Sprite Satan]

Well, that was mostly because Funimation's dub was the object that was being disputed at the time, not any of those other languages.

Yeah, I'm just a literalist.

Anyway, in the end it'll all depend on the "mission statement" for the wiki. Is it a wiki for everything Dragon Ball, including dubs, or an English wiki for the Japanese version of Dragon Ball?

Ooh, the mystery.