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by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:50 pm
sanorin wrote:I am not familiar with the American dub, I just thought that Saichoro was called Guru in English, so I used that. Muri is actually called "Saichoro" from the death of the previous Saichoro, as you can see in this two panels from the manga:
I've checked and in his later appearances no one calls him Muri or Saichoro or anything anymore, so there is only these 2 panels.
About adding "the" or not, (the Saichoro, the Guru, the Elder, etc.), I think it's personal option. My option is to use it the same as God/Kami. We don't say "The God created the dragon balls", so I use it that way. As valid as if you want to use "the".

I'm aware that Muri is called Saichoro at least a couple of times in Japanese, but in the Z dub, no one ever calls him "Guru" after he is promoted because its treated as a name and not a title. This is pretty evident when he's not called "Guru" during his promotion. I haven't watched the scene in a long while, but I think the Eldest tells him something like "Muri, give me your hand. You will be the eldest now." "Guru" wasn't used in the English manga, and has been dropped in favor for a real translation of his title in Kai, calling him the "Grand Elder". So just stick to the proper name and don't change what you want to call him just because you're posting on an English forum. lol Most of us here use the Japanese terms, or an accurate translation, anyway.
Honestly though, I think you're better off not shifting titles to characters who have an actual name after their promotion, as all it does is cause confusion. These posts prove it. xD
BTW, isn't god a special exception because it can be used as both a name and a title in some religions?
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by DBZ Mick » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:36 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned and I can't post a scan.
Vegeta's outfit has a little error on Viz Big Vol 8, pg 191, the first panel.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
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by sanorin » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:30 pm
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I'm aware that Muri is called Saichoro at least a couple of times in Japanese, but in the Z dub, no one ever calls him "Guru" after he is promoted because its treated as a name and not a title. This is pretty evident when he's not called "Guru" during his promotion. I haven't watched the scene in a long while, but I think the Eldest tells him something like "Muri, give me your hand. You will be the eldest now." "Guru" wasn't used in the English manga, and has been dropped in favor for a real translation of his title in Kai, calling him the "Grand Elder". So just stick to the proper name and don't change what you want to call him just because you're posting on an English forum. lol Most of us here use the Japanese terms, or an accurate translation, anyway.
Honestly though, I think you're better off not shifting titles to characters who have an actual name after their promotion, as all it does is cause confusion. These posts prove it. xD
BTW, isn't god a special exception because it can be used as both a name and a title in some religions?
Well ok, Saichoro it is xD Thank Kami I didn't say the H word!!
Actually, how many times is he called by his name "Muri"? I think only once (but I could be wrong of course). It's not like Dende who has been around for a while and his name has been said hundreds of times, even if he becomes Kami, people still call him Dende. As opposed to Muri, who in-universe would probably be called by everyone else Saichoro from that moment on. You could say "new Saichoro" if you prefer to avoid confusion, but in the context I used it before (with a picture) there is no way to confusion.

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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:36 am
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:BTW, isn't god a special exception because it can be used as both a name and a title in some religions?
Yeah, that's true. I think, in Judeo-Christian monotheistic religions, "God" is used as a name. Might be used as a title too.
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Dragon Ball, God obviously isn't part of a monotheistic system, but his full title is "God of Earth". "God" is just a shortened form of that.
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by Zestanor » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:01 pm
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Yeah, that's true. I think, in Judeo-Christian monotheistic religions, "God" is used as a name. Might be used as a title too.
In Judaism and Christianity, God has a name, and it's not "God," or "the Lord." However, most modern Bibles that are not written in Hebrew render it as "the L
ORD." (Which is wrong, since they are replacing a name with a title.) Of course it's still included in Bibles written in Hebrew though, where it's written like this: יהוה (YHWH.) Wikipedia has like five articles on it if you care to read.
Yahweh,
Jehovah,
Tetragrammaton,
Names of God in Judaism. I just felt like bringing this up because most people would have the same response as you, who said that Jews' and Christians' God has a name, and that name is "God."
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by Son_Gohan » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:44 pm
Episode 195
Goku's undershirt blending in with the color of his gi:

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by samuraix123 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:40 pm
Broly the legendary Super Saiyan
Vegeta goes from Super Saiyan to normal then back to Super Saiyan then normal again lol
Here we see Super Saiyan Vegeta

Then a few scenes later while Broly is about to transform he's normal

Then when Broly is finished powering up, Vegeta fades out of Super Saiyan to normal

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by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:10 pm
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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by samuraix123 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:50 pm
I'm not trying to be rude here but it would help if you actually pointed out the error? I'm looking at 1:26 and don't see anything wrong?
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by Metalwario64 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:56 pm
samuraix123 wrote:
I'm not trying to be rude here but it would help if you actually pointed out the error? I'm looking at 1:26 and don't see anything wrong?
Looks like 18 is in the far left of the shot when she shouldn't be.
But it looks like the video uses orange brick footage, which due to the extra footage on the side probably means that she isn't visible there in all other footage, so I don't think I'd really classify it as an error.
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by samuraix123 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:05 pm
Okay so it's not 1:26 it's 1:27! also I believe that's Vegeta standing there, because at 1:24 he throws 18 from the ground up. but it could be 18 I guess it's debatable.
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by Drayenko » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:12 pm
It clearly is 18.
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by Zestanor » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:59 pm
Whoa! Whoever posted that got banned from Youtube already!
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by samuraix123 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:01 am
Whoa!

That's crazy! do you guys think that I'm safe to leave the Japanese movie trailers on mine?
http://www.youtube.com/user/asseertedwolf?feature=mhee
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by FindKenshi » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:36 am
I'm no legal expert, but I think trailers are handled differently?
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by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:40 am
Nope. Not safe. I created a YouTube account about a year ago that was just for DragonBall trailers. It got taken down.
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by dbboxkaifan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:39 pm
Vegeta on Freeza's arc looks so freakin' fugly:
Did Toriyama honestly drew this?

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by kei17 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:45 pm
dbboxkaifan wrote:Did Toriyama honestly drew this?

Do you really think that Toriyama drew the animation?
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by Corporate_Nothing » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
dbboxkaifan wrote:Vegeta on Freeza's arc looks so freakin' fugly:
*snip*
Did Toriyama honestly drew this?

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =7&t=13639
Different animation studios were responsible for different episodes in the series. Hence "good animation days" and "bad animation days." Toriyama didn't draw a single frame of any episode ever.
It's been done countless times before, but...
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by Attitudefan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:57 pm
dbboxkaifan wrote:Vegeta on Freeza's arc looks so freakin' fugly:
Did Toriyama honestly drew this?

That's by a good animation studio. That one drawing just mediocre (not bad)
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