Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Rocketman]

Google Trends is a stupid way to determine cultural impact, because it does not determine it in any way.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, I was watching the first Goku vs Superman fight, and I noticed something strange.

According to the Kanzenshuu, the whole point of battle powers was to show how unreliable & meaningless they were... what? It wasn't the battle powers that were meaningless, it was the scouters that were useless because the Z-Senshi could alter their battle power, and the scouters weren't fast enough to notice it, which made the Z-Senshi appear weaker than they actually were, and the villains were underestimating them & let their guard down.

They stopped using scouters for that reason, but they kept using ki sensing, which was a much better way to compare someone's power with another's. From Freeza arc, to Boo arc, to GT, to Resurrection "F", we still have the fighters sensing their opponents' battle power, which is how they know who is stronger than who, and by having a fight, they just measure the opponents' battle power more accurately, and watch their special abilities & skills, if they have any.

ScrewAttack also say that the battle powers became impossible to measure after Freeza arc because the numbers are pointless according to the Daizenshuu, which is false from what I know, the Daizenshuu simply say that their battle powers becaume immeasurable, none of the guides ever said that they became pointless, they even gave extra numbers for characters even before Saiyan arc, and gave us extra multipliers for forms after Freeza arc.

They also said that we can't measure Goku's strength through other's characters' feats... I agree when someone uses a special technique to destroy a planet, but why what about when others use similar (ex. Vegeta's Gyarik-Ho), or the same techniques (ex. Cell's Kamehameha), and Goku can launch an even stronger blast? I mean, if Cell can destroy our Solar System with a Kamehameha, then SS3 Goku should be able to do the same and more with his much more powerful Kamehameha, right?

They also said that they wouldn't use battle powers, yet they used battle power multipliers... what?

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

So, I was watching the first Goku vs Superman fight, and I noticed something strange.

According to the Kanzenshuu, the whole point of battle powers was to show how unreliable & meaningless they were... what? It wasn't the battle powers that were meaningless, it was the scouters that were useless because the Z-Senshi could alter their battle power, and the scouters weren't fast enough to notice it, which made the Z-Senshi appear weaker than they actually were, and the villains were underestimating them & let their guard down.

They stopped using scouters for that reason, but they kept using ki sensing, which was a much better way to compare someone's power with another's. From Freeza arc, to Boo arc, to GT, to Resurrection "F", we still have the fighters sensing their opponents' battle power, which is how they know who is stronger than who, and by having a fight, they just measure the opponents' battle power more accurately, and watch their special abilities & skills, if they have any.

ScrewAttack also say that the battle powers became impossible to measure after Freeza arc because the numbers are pointless according to the Daizenshuu, which is false from what I know, the Daizenshuu simply say that their battle powers becaume immeasurable, none of the guides ever said that they became pointless, they even gave extra numbers for characters even before Saiyan arc, and gave us extra multipliers for forms after Freeza arc.

They also said that we can't measure Goku's strength through other's characters' feats... I agree when someone uses a special technique to destroy a planet, but why what about when others use similar (ex. Vegeta's Gyarik-Ho), or the same techniques (ex. Cell's Kamehameha), and Goku can launch an even stronger blast? I mean, if Cell can destroy our Solar System with a Kamehameha, then SS3 Goku should be able to do the same and more with his much more powerful Kamehameha, right?

They also said that they wouldn't use battle powers, yet they used battle power multipliers... what?

They also said "no power scaling" but still used the bomb power (with made up numbers) and multiply it by how strong Goku is suppose to be by EoS, so hypocrite.

[Bullza]

That bomb scene wasn't even in the manga, it was part of the filler yet they didn't didn't take into account the other scene that was filler where he pushed apart a mountain on the Supreme Kai's planet.

[pacz360]

So, I was watching the first Goku vs Superman fight, and I noticed something strange.

According to the Kanzenshuu, the whole point of battle powers was to show how unreliable & meaningless they were... what? It wasn't the battle powers that were meaningless, it was the scouters that were useless because the Z-Senshi could alter their battle power, and the scouters weren't fast enough to notice it, which made the Z-Senshi appear weaker than they actually were, and the villains were underestimating them & let their guard down.

They stopped using scouters for that reason, but they kept using ki sensing, which was a much better way to compare someone's power with another's. From Freeza arc, to Boo arc, to GT, to Resurrection "F", we still have the fighters sensing their opponents' battle power, which is how they know who is stronger than who, and by having a fight, they just measure the opponents' battle power more accurately, and watch their special abilities & skills, if they have any.

ScrewAttack also say that the battle powers became impossible to measure after Freeza arc because the numbers are pointless according to the Daizenshuu, which is false from what I know, the Daizenshuu simply say that their battle powers becaume immeasurable, none of the guides ever said that they became pointless, they even gave extra numbers for characters even before Saiyan arc, and gave us extra multipliers for forms after Freeza arc.

They also said that we can't measure Goku's strength through other's characters' feats... I agree when someone uses a special technique to destroy a planet, but why what about when others use similar (ex. Vegeta's Gyarik-Ho), or the same techniques (ex. Cell's Kamehameha), and Goku can launch an even stronger blast? I mean, if Cell can destroy our Solar System with a Kamehameha, then SS3 Goku should be able to do the same and more with his much more powerful Kamehameha, right?

They also said that they wouldn't use battle powers, yet they used battle power multipliers... what?

Are you that surprise? These guys proven numerous of time they don't know what the hell there talkin about heck these guys think buu has weakness to bullets despite a weaker version of him have bullets bounce off of him.

[Mewzard]

They also said "no power scaling" but still used the bomb power (with made up numbers) and multiply it by how strong Goku is suppose to be by EoS, so hypocrite.

That's not what they mean when they say Power Scaling. They mean that just because someone who's comparable/weaker than they are does something doesn't mean they can. Like, just because Goku's stronger than Guldo doesn't mean he can stop time. You know, a question of how much of something is ability vs technique and skill, etc.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Watch any of their videos really, you'll see tons of inconsistencies like that. Like when they assumed Starscream could only fly as fast as the jet he transformed into can fly in real life, despite the fact that he's an alien robot from a civilization millions of years more advanced than Earth, and a few times in the cartoon he could fly between planets in a few minutes IIRC.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

That's not what they mean when they say Power Scaling. They mean that just because someone who's comparable/weaker than they are does something doesn't mean they can. Like, just because Goku's stronger than Guldo doesn't mean he can stop time. You know, a question of how much of something is ability vs technique and skill, etc.

Thats obvious, because Goku doesnt have that power. A proper example of what you might have tried to say could be: "Just because Goku is stronger than Roshi/Piccolo does not mean he can blow up the moon", also speaking of powerscaling and using what i said, look at the example i gave, if we look only at feats this would put Roshi>Goku, which is ridiculous, powerscaling imo is the most appropiate way to mesuare power in Dragon Ball.

[pacz360]

That's not what they mean when they say Power Scaling. They mean that just because someone who's comparable/weaker than they are does something doesn't mean they can. Like, just because Goku's stronger than Guldo doesn't mean he can stop time. You know, a question of how much of something is ability vs technique and skill, etc.

Thats obvious, because Goku doesnt have that power. A proper example of what you might have tried to say could be: "Just because Goku is stronger than Roshi/Piccolo does not mean he can blow up the moon", also speaking of powerscaling and using what i said, look at the example i gave, if we look only at feats this would put Roshi>Goku, which is ridiculous, powerscaling imo is the most appropiate way to mesuare power in Dragon Ball.

Pretty much you can't go by feats in dbz otherwise saiyan saga piccolo is stronger than whis due blowing up the moon while whis never done that.

[GokuRules987]

Just one and half hour before Goku vs Superman battle premiers live!

[Bullza]

So it's going to be up on YouTube at 3am here in UK tomorrow. Ugh, maybe I'll stay up for it.

Edit: Oh wait no it's today the 18th so it'll be up in 100 minutes or so.

[GokuRules987]

4 more minutes!

[Bullza]

Here's a link to the livestream to watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDKjnk7Vhw

[Doctor.]

Do you have a link to the stream it's going to be shown on?

Here.

[Bullza]

Same one I just found. Thanks, I'm gonna watch this live I think, it hasn't quite started but I imagine it will soon.

Dis gon b gud.

I hope Goku wins but I don't think he will.

Edit: They're chanting Goku lol.

[dario03]

So viewers has more than doubled in the last 30 minutes or so. So yeah I'm still saying they go with Goku to set up the third match.

And I like how people are posting in the chat even though it scrolls by so fast you couldn't even really have a conversation.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

That SSGoku cosplayer in the crow was awesome

[Bullza]

They asked who was rooting for Superman and who was rooting for Goku and Goku got a much bigger cheer.

Looks like it's a couple of minutes of away.

[dbzfan7]

They asked who was rooting for Superman and who was rooting for Goku and Goku got a much bigger cheer.

Looks like it's a couple of minutes of away.

I found that hilarious. Goku got the bigger cheer. He's still totally screwed.

Nope they're gonna drag this one out.

[GokuRules987]

Told Ya Goku has more fans than superman!