Can Goku control himself? If that was the case, he would be almost 10 times stronger than Piccolo, and on top of that he can use Bukunjutsu and Ki attacks which for some reason you prohibited for Piccolo.
Otherwise Piccolo could just ignore him and go away.
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Woops, sorry about that. Gokuu can't control himself, nor use ki attacks or flying. I was going to clarify but I kinda thought that went without mention. BTW, does Oozaru Gokuu ever use ki attacks?
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Vegeta and Gohan fired a Ki attack from their mouth, and Vegeta also used Bukujutsu.
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The first point I see, but didn't Vegeta have training with his Oozaru form? Besides, 21st TB Gokuu didn't know Bukujustu yet, so I highly doubt his Oozaru form would.
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I see, you meant Goku from the 21st Budokai. He would still be stronger than Piccolo... but again, if he can't control himself, Piccolo can just ignore him and watch Goku step on some people.
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I believe Goku takes this fairly easily, his raw strength advantage and bestial instincts should be enough to crush Piccolo.Insertclevername wrote: 21st TB Oozaru Gokuu vs. Giant Piccolo (Vs. Radditz era)
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Goku wins. With pure ease. Hands down, no contest.
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I don't know if I agree with that, guidebooks numbers not withstanding, the gap between 23rd Budokai Piccolo and 21st Budokai Son Goku, even in Oozaru form might be quite large still.
So basically I think a 10x gap between Son Goku 21st Budokai and 23rd Son Goku is not only possible, but even likely IMO.
So basically I think a 10x gap between Son Goku 21st Budokai and 23rd Son Goku is not only possible, but even likely IMO.
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Since Goku's battle power was 260 against Piccolo Daimao, and 416 against Raditz, he should be between 260 & 416 in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, so with Piccolo at 408, Oozaru Goku would destroy him even if Goku was from the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc.Insertclevername wrote:21st TB Oozaru Gokuu vs. Giant Piccolo (Vs. Radditz era)
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Raditz era Piccolo had a number just over 400, which was given in the manga. Personally, I don't think it's very likely for Goku to be under 40 at the 21st Budokai if he was supposed to get so much stronger from his training.Mjb1985 wrote:I don't know if I agree with that, guidebooks numbers not withstanding, the gap between 23rd Budokai Piccolo and 21st Budokai Son Goku, even in Oozaru form might be quite large still.
So basically I think a 10x gap between Son Goku 21st Budokai and 23rd Son Goku is not only possible, but even likely IMO.
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If he was supposed to get so much stronger from his training a 10 fold gap is nothing.
23rd Budokai Goku is massively superior to Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao, who is massively superior to 22nd Budokai Goku, who is superior to Post Karin Goku who is massively superior to 21st Budokai Goku.
There are some tremendous gaps there.
23rd Budokai Goku is massively superior to Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao, who is massively superior to 22nd Budokai Goku, who is superior to Post Karin Goku who is massively superior to 21st Budokai Goku.
There are some tremendous gaps there.
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No, I meant from his training under Roshi the first time. Having him at 40 is quite low, and doesn't leave a lot of room between him and a regular human.Mjb1985 wrote:If he was supposed to get so much stronger from his training a 10 fold gap is nothing.
23rd Budokai Goku is massively superior to Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao, who is massively superior to 22nd Budokai Goku, who is superior to Post Karin Goku who is massively superior to 21st Budokai Goku.
There are some tremendous gaps there.
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I don't really spend any time trying to figure out how to connect the author's numerical logic with his statements, I consider it more of a waste of time, but being double a human being would suffice here.
And ki and power don't seem to be exactly intertwined, Goku mid training was already superior to Roshi in physical strength. And this is when his ki level most likely wouldn't be anywhere close to Roshi's.
And ki and power don't seem to be exactly intertwined, Goku mid training was already superior to Roshi in physical strength. And this is when his ki level most likely wouldn't be anywhere close to Roshi's.
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I think Gokuu had a BP of 30 at the 21st TB, making his Oozaru BP 300. This means that he'd be defeated with relative ease by Piccolo, who was stated to have a BP of 408. I don't think he'd even need a Makankousappou to win, especially with Gokuu's lack of control in his Oozaru form.Insertclevername wrote:21st TB Oozaru Gokuu vs. Giant Piccolo (Vs. Radditz era)
For the sake of the debate, they are both roughly the same size.
Piccolo can't fly nor use any Ki based attacks other than his charged Makankosappo.
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For once , I actually agree with PD.
I do think Piccolo would be superior to an Oozaru Goku (21st) as well.
I do think Piccolo would be superior to an Oozaru Goku (21st) as well.
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Even if Goku was around 110, which i think was around when he met Tao, Goku would still lose. As an Oozaru he had a power level of 1100, The Makankasappo would kill him. As an Oozaru, Goku would be too stupid to attack Piccolo and he would wander off to cause mindless destruction. This would buy Piccolo the time he needs to charge the Makankasappo and Kill Goku. Unless Daimao's idea of Goku's power is correct, then Piccolo can outright beat him. Goku would need control if he wanted to stand a chance against Piccolo.
Gohan vs Booku(absorbed SSJ3 Goku)
Personally I think it should have came down to this in the real story. Anyway who wins. I think it should be close.
Gohan vs Booku(absorbed SSJ3 Goku)
Personally I think it should have came down to this in the real story. Anyway who wins. I think it should be close.
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The battle power of 110 for Tao Pai Pai is a rumor, it has not been confirmed.
As far official sources goes, the battle power of Goku during the 21st Budokai is unknow. Since at 139 already lost his shape, I suppose Goku should be close to that. In that sense, you are right that the Makankousappou could still kill Goku as an Oozaru.
As far official sources goes, the battle power of Goku during the 21st Budokai is unknow. Since at 139 already lost his shape, I suppose Goku should be close to that. In that sense, you are right that the Makankousappou could still kill Goku as an Oozaru.
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Ledgic vs Majin Buu
According to GT logic, I think Ledgic wins even though he's just some random alien. Think about it. Base GT Goku was beating on Rilld who was stated to be stronger than Majin Buu in just his base form (which is also quite ridiculous), and Goku was on par with Ledgic while in his base form. So: GT Base Goku=Ledgic>Kid Buu=SS3 Goku>Super Perfect Cell>Supreme Gods of universe>Frieza.
So like, tell me how that makes sense...
According to GT logic, I think Ledgic wins even though he's just some random alien. Think about it. Base GT Goku was beating on Rilld who was stated to be stronger than Majin Buu in just his base form (which is also quite ridiculous), and Goku was on par with Ledgic while in his base form. So: GT Base Goku=Ledgic>Kid Buu=SS3 Goku>Super Perfect Cell>Supreme Gods of universe>Frieza.
So like, tell me how that makes sense...
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It's GT. Best not to mess with it. It will bite 
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I think you should be more specific on what form of Majin Boo you are talking about.Nex Carnifex wrote:Ledgic vs Majin Buu
It seemed to me more like an equal fight, until the Mega Cannon Sigma stepped in.Nex Carnifex wrote:Base GT Goku was beating on Rilld
Redjic seemed to me stronger than base Goku, but weaker than Super Saiyan Goku.Nex Carnifex wrote:GT Base Goku=Ledgic>Kid Buu=SS3 Goku>Super Perfect Cell>Supreme Gods of universe>Freeza.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.