Vegeta waited for Freeza's minions to come to him? How is that strategy?Rocketman wrote:...huh? "Attack where your enemy is weak" is pretty much the core of all strategy/tactics.Mystic Gohan wrote:Vegeta killed him from behind. How does that show strategy?
"Attack head-on because PRIDE" is the stupid decision that produces military fuck-ups like the Light Brigade or Pickett's Charge or pretty much all of World War I.
As for Freeza's minions, he didn't have a power advantage against all of them combined. So he waited and picked them off one-by-one. And even when defeated and captured, he managed to steal all the Dragonballs, escape unharmed, and kill Zarbon.
Or compare versus Recoome.
Vegeta - plays dead to blast Recoome in the face
Krillin - surprise-attacks Recoome to make him bite down on his own blast
Gohan - charges head-first, gets neck broken
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Ok, seriously. What do you guys consider strategy?
If "attack when their guard is down" and "attack when they're apart so you aren't fighting all of them at once" aren't strategies, then what the hell is.
If "attack when their guard is down" and "attack when they're apart so you aren't fighting all of them at once" aren't strategies, then what the hell is.
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Gohan fanboys can't take the truth... let them be.
The story kinda tells us that Gohan isn't even a fighter despite having some strength. Vegeta is considered a genius.
The story kinda tells us that Gohan isn't even a fighter despite having some strength. Vegeta is considered a genius.
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Let's see: He was stronger than Goku because he is a super elite, while Goku is a low-class. He should be the one who will transform into a Super Saiyan because he is the Saiyan Prince. He was stronger than Perfect Cell because he went beyond Super Saiyan. His training program in the whole series is Goku's training program on his way to Namek. Yep, Vegeta is a fucking genius.hleV wrote:Vegeta is considered a genius.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Even though I am a Gohan fanboy, I agree that Freeza Arc Vegeta was really a genius.Rocketman wrote:Ok, seriously. What do you guys consider strategy?
If "attack when their guard is down" and "attack when they're apart so you aren't fighting all of them at once" aren't strategies, then what the hell is.
The whole way he got hold of Freeza's Dragonballs was clever, as well as how he eradicated Freeza's minions.
His whole fighting-style against Recoome also shows a great deal of fighting experience as well as his ability to fill in the gaps between his enemies (those who are stronger than him).
At that time, his fighting style is pretty much "can't beat them, throw sand in their eyes" type. While not being a gracious type of fighting, he gets it done.
Later, though, this kind of fighting style disappears.
Even Goku's innovative way of thinking gets mellowed down a bit later on too.
Well, if you compare him to Gohan, he did achieve the SSJ and SSJ2 on his own, without any instructions or support. That in itself is genius. He didn't have Gohan or Goku's catalyzes.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Let's see: He was stronger than Goku because he is a super elite, while Goku is a low-class. He should be the one who will transform into a Super Saiyan because he is the Saiyan Prince. He was stronger than Perfect Cell because he went beyond Super Saiyan. His training program in the whole series is Goku's training program on his way to Namek. Yep, Vegeta is a fucking genius.hleV wrote:Vegeta is considered a genius.
Although his pride or arrogance or whatever makes him to really stupid decisions, in my opinion it's unfair to call him stupid.
If we compare Vegeta to Goku, Goku isn't that innocent either. Goku let the Androids live too, just because of that "they hadn't done anything yet". He also let Kid Buu (an opponent he hardly could defeat) to be revived again just to be able to fight him. Goku also gave Perfect Cell a Senzu bean, as well as he let Freeza live initially at Namek.
But that's their biggest flaw, their innate fighting lust (something that also shows with Gohan when he becomes a SSJ2).
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Gohan is a fighter and the story doesn't tell us otherwise. The only thing the story tells us is that he is a reluctant fighter and a pacifist like a monk. He learned martial arts and all of his techniques from Piccolo and Goku. His skills are based of the two of them and his strategy's are what ever Piccolo and Goku taught them. If Gohan wasn't a fighter, he would have been street brawling and have no techniques what so ever. Gohan even made a strategy when fighting Cell. Goku fought Cell first so Gohan can figure out how he fights and figure out how to counter and overcome him. Goku didn't tell him how to, he figured it out.hleV wrote:Gohan fanboys can't take the truth... let them be.
The story kinda tells us that Gohan isn't even a fighter despite having some strength. Vegeta is considered a genius.
Pretty much all of vegeta's strategy's are no brainers that anyone could have thought of. His only true strategy was the Genki-Dama at the end of the series.
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A critical analysis of the story will tell us that Gohan is a moron, Vegeta an idiot and Goku senile. Despite that, they are supposed to be the best martial artistis in the universe.
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Unless your joking, the story would tell us Gohan is smart but reluctant fighter, Vegeta is prideful to the point it blinds his decisions, and Goku is a genius fighter and hick.Fox666 wrote:A critical analysis of the story will tell us that Gohan is a moron, Vegeta an idiot and Goku senile. Despite that, they are supposed to be the best martial artistis in the universe.
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But by the Buu Saga, they were all just compete dumbasses...except Vegeta.dbzfan7 wrote:Unless your joking, the story would tell us Gohan is smart but reluctant fighter, Vegeta is prideful to the point it blinds his decisions, and Goku is a genius fighter and hick.Fox666 wrote:A critical analysis of the story will tell us that Gohan is a moron, Vegeta an idiot and Goku senile. Despite that, they are supposed to be the best martial artistis in the universe.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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How 'bout them fights, eh?
Spopovitch (post power up) vs. Yamucha (First appearance, him having a sword is up to you)
Yamucha and Kuririn (23rd TB) vs. Piccolo Diamao (youth restored)
Goten (Eoz), Trunks (Eoz) and Piccolo (Cell arc) vs. LSSJ Broli (Movie 8)
Spopovitch (post power up) vs. Yamucha (First appearance, him having a sword is up to you)
Yamucha and Kuririn (23rd TB) vs. Piccolo Diamao (youth restored)
Goten (Eoz), Trunks (Eoz) and Piccolo (Cell arc) vs. LSSJ Broli (Movie 8)
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1. Yamcha wins, not that easily thoughInsertclevername wrote:How 'bout them fights, eh?
Spopovitch (post power up) vs. Yamucha (First appearance, him having a sword is up to you)
Yamucha and Kuririn (23rd TB) vs. Piccolo Diamao (youth restored)
Goten (Eoz), Trunks (Eoz) and Piccolo (Cell arc) vs. LSSJ Broli (Movie
2. Yamcha and Kurirn win
3. Broli wins
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Just curious, how strong do you have Eoz Goten and Trunks? I'm a little undecided about them.
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Spopovich was definitely forced up somewhere above normal human limits by Bobbidi. I'm thinking Yamcha's not at that level yet, at least until he's trained for the 21st Tournament. Plus, Spopovich has that crazy zombie-like "hard to kill" thing going on.Insertclevername wrote:Spopovitch (post power up) vs. Yamucha (First appearance, him having a sword is up to you)
Yeah, I'm willing to bet they're not at the "taking down the demon king" level yet. (and according to the official power levels, they aren't)Insertclevername wrote:Yamucha and Kuririn (23rd TB) vs. Piccolo Diamao (youth restored)
Goten and Trunks probably haven't improved much in those ten years, if at all. But if he's been training, I could see Piccolo already able to fight Broly on equal footing. In that case, Goten and Trunks as backup could help to help tip the scales.Insertclevername wrote:Goten (Eoz), Trunks (Eoz) and Piccolo (Cell arc) vs. LSSJ Broli (Movie
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I think that Yamcha would hold out for an admirably long time due to his Rouga Fuu-Fuu Ken, but eventually lose to Spopovich’s somewhat superior power and durability.Insertclevername wrote:Spopovitch (post power up) vs. Yamucha (First appearance, him having a sword is up to you)
Once again, Yamcha and Kuririn would hold out admirably long, with their teamwork and techniques, but Daimaou’s just too much stronger and more skilled for them to win.Insertclevername wrote:Yamucha and Kuririn (23rd TB) vs. Piccolo Diamao (youth restored)
To be honest, the rusty boys would be largely inconsequential here, but not even Piccolo would be enough to defeat Broli. So the three of them get slaughtered.Insertclevername wrote:Goten (Eoz), Trunks (Eoz) and Piccolo (Cell arc) vs. LSSJ Broli (Movie
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Spopovitch wins.Insertclevername wrote:Spopovitch (post power up) vs. Yamucha (First appearance, him having a sword is up to you)
Yamcha & Kuririn may win, if they have good teamwork.Insertclevername wrote:Yamucha and Kuririn (23rd TB) vs. Piccolo Diamao (youth restored)
Broli crashes them.Insertclevername wrote:Goten (Eoz), Trunks (Eoz) and Piccolo (Cell arc) vs. LSSJ Broli (Movie
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)
Quick off topic question. How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.
Quick off topic question. How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.
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Frieza is cool but his brother is Cooler, therefore he wins.dbzfan7 wrote:Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)
Quick off topic question. How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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King Cold should win as he likely taught Freeza and Cooler how to fight.dbzfan7 wrote:Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)
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I don't see any difference in their skill, so it's a draw I guess?dbzfan7 wrote:Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)
Cold > Freeza was said only in the anime. Cold said to Trunks that since he could kill Freeza, Trunks was the strongest in the universe, so Cold should be weaker. Also, various other sources also say that Freeza > Cold.dbzfan7 wrote:How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.