The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Piccolo Daimao]

Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)

Coola wins, based on his Shunkan Idou in DBZ Movie #6, which requires the ability to sense ki manually to pull off. Also, he invented a "fifth form" all by himself: an innovation that neither Freeza nor Kold reached.

[dbzfan7]

Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)

I don't see any difference in their skill, so it's a draw I guess?

How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.

Cold > Freeza was said only in the anime. Cold said to Trunks that since he could kill Freeza, Trunks was the strongest in the universe, so Cold should be weaker. Also, various other sources also say that Freeza > Cold.

Cold may have been a little stronger then Freeza though. All that was said was that a greater power was with Freeza. That doesn't mean Cold would be leagues stronger. Cold may have said that to Trunks because of how easily he handled Freeza, and he probably could easily beat Freeza. Could I get some sources of Freeza being said to be stronger. The Japanese state this in Kai as well.

SSJ3 Goku(EOZ) vs Gohan(Mightiest of Warriors)

[Piccolo Daimao]

SSJ3 Goku(EOZ) vs Gohan(Mightiest of Warriors)

Gohan wins easily, as I don't believe that Gokuu improved that much in those 10 years.

[DBZAOTA482]

Gohan, but not that easily.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSJ3 Goku(EOZ) vs Gohan(Mightiest of Warriors)

Gohan wins. I don't think Goku can get that strong, ever. In the manga at least.

[Insertclevername]

SSJ3 Goku(EOZ) vs Gohan(Mightiest of Warriors)

Gohan wins due to his superior skill, er, I mean power.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

SSJ3 Goku(EOZ) vs Gohan(Mightiest of Warriors)

Gohan wins easily, as I don't believe that Gokuu improved that much in those 10 years.

Pretty much how I see it. I don't even think this version of Goku can beat Super Boo, honestly.

[Kaboom]

Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)

Coola emerges victorious, having a significant edge on skill over the others.

Quick off topic question. How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.

He's officially "somewhat inferior to Freeza," but not so much that he couldn't serve as good backup against Super Saiyan Goku. I think the 90-100 million range is a fitting place to put him, numbers-wise. Same for Coola at his max but without his "super" form.

SSJ3 Goku (EOZ) vs Gohan (Mightiest of Warriors)

I think SSj3 Goku could be right on Gohan's heels in terms of power by then. But any chance he'd have of winning is going to be yanked away from him too soon due to Super Saiyan 3's crippling stamina drain. Take that away though and all other things equal, Goku has a shot at it.

[Mystic Gohan]

Ok, seriously. What do you guys consider strategy?

If "attack when their guard is down" and "attack when they're apart so you aren't fighting all of them at once" aren't strategies, then what the hell is.

There are no strategies in Dragon Ball. Attacking someone while there guard is down is a cheap tactic and it's low. Low even for a fictional manga. Would you just randomly beat the shit out of someone you hate? Or would you give them a chance to fight back? Attack when they're apart rather then when are seperate? How in the name of hell is that a strategy? Vegeta's just not being a dumbass, fighting someone he can't beat.

Edit - Since those are apparently strategies, how about Gohan holding out his true power till the end of his struggle and him buying time against Gotenks-Buu when Buu was vastly superior. Are those not strategies?

[dbzfan7]

Quick off topic question. How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.

He's officially "somewhat inferior to Freeza," but not so much that he couldn't serve as good backup against Super Saiyan Goku. I think the 90-100 million range is a fitting place to put him, numbers-wise. Same for Coola at his max but without his "super" form.

Where is this official source. I would really like to see it so I can put my thoughts on this to rest.

[Rocketman]

Attacking someone while there guard is down is a cheap tactic

Tactics are strategies.

Would you just randomly beat the shit out of someone you hate? Or would you give them a chance to fight back?

If they were going to kill me? Hell no, I wouldn't give them a chance to fight back.

[Bussani]

Where is this official source. I would really like to see it so I can put my thoughts on this to rest.

It's from his Daizenshuu 7 character entry.

Cold, King
King of the universe

First Appears
Chapter 329

Characteristics
Freeza's father. He is a shadowy presence in the organization, and nobody knows of his existence apart from his family and his direct subordinates, not even the Ginyu Special-Squad. Though he's the head of the strongest family in the universe, he is somewhat inferior to Freeza.

Battles
When Trunks defeated his son Freeza with extreme ease, he saw that fighting Trunks directly was not to his advantage, and sweet-talked Trunks into giving him his sword. However, he was ultimately obliterated in one blow.

As others have said, the anime altered some of the dialogue from the manga. In the manga, this is what they say about Kold and Freeza:

Chapter: 329 (DBZ 135), P11.5
Kuririn: “Did you feel it, Gohan!? That absolutely incredible ki!”

Chapter: 329 (DBZ 135), P12.3
Tenshinhan: “It…it’s not just one…There’s another absurdly large ki…”

The anime changed Tenshinhan's line to something like, "And there's an even bigger ki with him," or something. Or maybe it was just "And one's even bigger than the other"? I mean, how would Tenshinhan know which one was Freeza? Eh, someone can clarify if necessary, but the point is that the manga never says that Kold is stronger and the Daizenshuu thinks he's weaker, which seems like a safe bet since he never seemed to mind Freeza calling himself the strongest in the universe right in front of him.

[Son_Gohan]

Freeza vs Cooler vs Cold (equal power levels)

I don't see any difference in their skill, so it's a draw I guess?

How strong is King Cold? In the Japanese I hear they say he is stronger then Freeza, and some people here say he isn't.

Cold > Freeza was said only in the anime. Cold said to Trunks that since he could kill Freeza, Trunks was the strongest in the universe, so Cold should be weaker. Also, various other sources also say that Freeza > Cold.

Cold may have been a little stronger then Freeza though. All that was said was that a greater power was with Freeza. That doesn't mean Cold would be leagues stronger. Cold may have said that to Trunks because of how easily he handled Freeza, and he probably could easily beat Freeza. Could I get some sources of Freeza being said to be stronger. The Japanese state this in Kai as well.

It is true that in the anime, King Cold was stated as being stronger while they were sensing his and Freeza's presences approaching at the time. However, Gohan also establishes that Freeza's power was far greater than what was currently being felt. If Freeza were to reveal his true power, it's possible he would reign superior.

The anime changed Tenshinhan's line to something like, "And there's an even bigger ki with him," or something. Or maybe it was just "And one's even bigger than the other"? I mean, how would Tenshinhan know which one was Freeza? Eh, someone can clarify if necessary, but the point is that the manga never says that Kold is stronger and the Daizenshuu thinks he's weaker, which seems like a safe bet since he never seemed to mind Freeza calling himself the strongest in the universe right in front of him.

If I remember correctly, Vegeta states that Cold is stronger too.

I'll go and check to make sure.

EDIT-

Sure enough:

[Fox666]

The anime changed Tenshinhan's line to something like, "And there's an even bigger ki with him," or something. Or maybe it was just "And one's even bigger than the other"? I mean, how would Tenshinhan know which one was Freeza? Eh, someone can clarify if necessary, but the point is that the manga never says that Kold is stronger and the Daizenshuu thinks he's weaker, which seems like a safe bet since he never seemed to mind Freeza calling himself the strongest in the universe right in front of him.

Yes, Tenshinhan only meant that one is even larger than the other. Besides Freeza saying he was the strongest of the universe there, Cold also said that they should kill the Super Saiyan because the strongest of the universe should be on their clan, instead of saying that it should be him.

So going by the manga alone, Freeza is clearly the strongest of the two, but everyone's reaction seems to point out that Cold is close to Freeza in power.

Additionally, the Daizenshuu says that Cold "is somewhat inferior to Freeza"

[Edward Newgate]

Not to mention that Cold being superior to THAT Freeza means nothing, since Freeza was supressed at 50%

[Fox666]

He was supressed to an unknown amount.

[Edward Newgate]

He was supressed to an unknown amount.

I know, but he looked like he is in his 50% form. After all, he hadn't show the ability to supress his PL to any amount he wants (like 15 million, 95 million, etc.). Only to over 1 million and 60 million as far as I remember.
Another point, they were shocked to see how large his Ki is, but if it was anything in the low one-digit millions, I don't see why they should be so shocked when they have both Piccolo and Vegeta who were over 1 million at that point. So over 60 million seems to fit in my opinion.

[Fox666]

Freeza appearance didn't change from the moment he transformed in his true form for the first time and until he used 70%.

And technically Tenshinhan and the others probably didn't sense all of Vegeta or Piccolo's strength, and even if they did, Freeza easily is still stronger than them using the minimum output of power for his 4th form.

So I don't really see why estimate a random amount of percentage for Freeza at this point.

[FNF]

Freeza appearance didn't change from the moment he transformed in his true form for the first time and until he used 70%.

And technically Tenshinhan and the others probably didn't sense all of Vegeta or Piccolo's strength, and even if they did, Freeza easily is still stronger than them using the minimum output of power for his 4th form.

So I don't really see why estimate a random amount of percentage for Freeza at this point.

FYI, Gohan seemed to be the only one who knew Freeza could power up even further meaning Freeza was probably using 50% of his power considering he was the only one who sensed > 50% Freeza apart from Goku.

Doubt it. Vegeta seemed to think they were all doomed despite him fighting a Freeza only around 3,000,000.
Considering Piccolo and Vegeta (esp. Piccolo) had been training over the prior ~2 years and likely surpassed that level, I doubt he would react like that.

It's not really that random.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gohan seemed to be the only one who knew Freeza could power up even further meaning Freeza was probably using 50% of his power considering he was the only one who sensed > 50% Freeza apart from Goku.

You're forgetting Piccolo and Kuririn.