"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Totamo]

Come on that's a serious reach right now... We've literally never seen Goku get tossed around like a rag doll except for maybe Oozaru Vegeta and Goku took some bad damage.
The problem with Super is that Goku pops up like Bugs Bunny right after as if nothing even happened..
Super has gone full on Looney Tunes now, its absurd and ridiculous. If I wanted to watch a Looney Tunes episode I would.

Well, Dragon Ball is part gag or are we forgetting boss rabbit.

So this was a gag fight??? Goku was straight up smashed repeatedly into the ground in his SSJ2 form. Pops up like he's made of rubber, yet can't take a laser from a trash tier bad guy without close to keeling over. I'm not sure why this isn't easy to follow. Goku went into what looks like a serious fight when his attempts to react are completely ineffective. He's smashed around far worse then we have recently seen and with fair less ability to defend himself at all, then comes out without a scratch while also having his SSB kamehaha, TWO OF HIS MOST POWER MOVES, walked through like it was nothing and the show can't both to tell us what the heck is going on.

One sides argument: Kale is clearly weak, she didn't hurt Goku at all.
Other side: Well then WTF did he let her toss him around like a rag doll AND bust out a SSB kamehaha that did nothing. If he's so much stronger why not knock her out in single hit and be done?

None of this makes sense. If Goku could have tanked it as a SSB, then he should have the way Vegeta tanked Cabba's attacks.

My friend.....where we watching the same thing? The whole fight was literally Goku vs Broly, frame by frame. I doubt it will even matter in the long wrong. So yeah, it was a gag fight. Done purely to refrence a movie character.

I could be reaching though and maybe super is just being inconsistent again, which is nothing new and we all just move on and wait for next week's episode and hope that it makes more sense and is more enjoyable.

[TheMikado]

Well, Dragon Ball is part gag or are we forgetting boss rabbit.

So this was a gag fight??? Goku was straight up smashed repeatedly into the ground in his SSJ2 form. Pops up like he's made of rubber, yet can't take a laser from a trash tier bad guy without close to keeling over. I'm not sure why this isn't easy to follow. Goku went into what looks like a serious fight when his attempts to react are completely ineffective. He's smashed around far worse then we have recently seen and with fair less ability to defend himself at all, then comes out without a scratch while also having his SSB kamehaha, TWO OF HIS MOST POWER MOVES, walked through like it was nothing and the show can't both to tell us what the heck is going on.

One sides argument: Kale is clearly weak, she didn't hurt Goku at all.
Other side: Well then WTF did he let her toss him around like a rag doll AND bust out a SSB kamehaha that did nothing. If he's so much stronger why not knock her out in single hit and be done?

None of this makes sense. If Goku could have tanked it as a SSB, then he should have the way Vegeta tanked Cabba's attacks.

My friend.....where we watching the same thing? The whole fight was literally Goku vs Broly, frame by frame. I doubt it will even matter in the long wrong. So yeah, it was a gag fight. Done purely to refrence a movie character.

I could be reaching though and maybe super is just being inconsistent again, which is nothing new and we all just move on and wait for next week's episode and hope that it makes more sense and is more enjoyable.

I think you're reaching. I don't think it was meant to be a gag fight, however I also don't know what it was supposed to be either. It's really weird.

[perucho1990]

My friend.....where we watching the same thing? The whole fight was literally Goku vs Broly, frame by frame. I doubt it will even matter in the long wrong. So yeah, it was a gag fight. Done purely to refrence a movie character.

I could be reaching though and maybe super is just being inconsistent again, which is nothing new and we all just move on and wait for next week's episode and hope that it makes more sense and is more enjoyable.

I dont remember Broly running out of gas or showing signs of being hurt after tanking a kamehameha.

In the movie, Broly didnt even flinch after tanking a 100% kamehameha, in episode 100, a supressed kamehameha made Kale show signs of fatigue.

[SansrivaaL]

I think you're reaching. I don't think it was meant to be a gag fight, however I also don't know what it was supposed to be either. It's really weird.

T'was an in between fight that serves no purpose in the main plot and has no place in it, reason for its existence is because for an ep 100 they decided to make it controversial, how do you do that? be vague as fuck.
"Lets have Kale in LSSJ whoop Goku's ass! but dont show battle damage around him, make it look like he isnt being serious, and as a finale lets have him go SSJB but to make things fun have Goku say he'll only let out a little bit of power so that we can have Kale do what Broly did, walk through a KHH and grab Goku's face"
Its vague like how kanji works, I'm literally just taking it as how I saw it and what Goku said.
Goku got owned, but there was no damage.
Goku went Blue and said he'll put in a little more power and did a KHH, Kale walked though it and grabbed Goku's puny head.

[perucho1990]

T'was an in between fight that serves no purpose in the main plot and has no place in it, reason for its existence is because for an ep 100 they decided to make it controversial, how do you do that? be vague as fuck.
"Lets have Kale in LSSJ whoop Goku's ass! but dont show battle damage around him, make it look like he isnt being serious, and as a finale lets have him go SSJB but to make things fun have Goku say he'll only let out a little bit of power so that we can have Kale do what Broly did, walk through a KHH and grab Goku's face"
Its vague like how kanji works, I'm literally just taking it as how I saw it and what Goku said.
Goku got owned, but there was no damage.
Goku went Blue and said he'll put in a little more power and did a KHH, Kale walked though it and grabbed Goku's puny head.

It does, to show why Kale and Jiren are the fighters to watch out as it was pointed out months ago in the Jump Magazine. We got to see Jiren actually doing something instead of just standing there with his arms crossed.

[SansrivaaL]

T'was an in between fight that serves no purpose in the main plot and has no place in it, reason for its existence is because for an ep 100 they decided to make it controversial, how do you do that? be vague as fuck.
"Lets have Kale in LSSJ whoop Goku's ass! but dont show battle damage around him, make it look like he isnt being serious, and as a finale lets have him go SSJB but to make things fun have Goku say he'll only let out a little bit of power so that we can have Kale do what Broly did, walk through a KHH and grab Goku's face"
Its vague like how kanji works, I'm literally just taking it as how I saw it and what Goku said.
Goku got owned, but there was no damage.
Goku went Blue and said he'll put in a little more power and did a KHH, Kale walked though it and grabbed Goku's puny head.

It does, to show why Kale and Jiren are the fighters to watch out as it was pointed out months ago in the Jump Magazine. We got to see Jiren actually doing something instead of just standing there with his arms crossed.

I'm talking about the Goku V Kale one, Jiren's attack on Kale can happen without the Goku and Kale bit, it was just there to homage Broly yet again.

[ChiefWamsutta]

I'm not saying she's SSJ2 level, I'm saying she's not above SSJB level.

Of course she isn't above blue but she's definitely around it's ballpark of power

Tell that to the guy that made the chart Berserk>SSJB not me.
Tho I dont agree that she's around God level, the line was there for a reason, like it or not he only raised a little bit of his power, yes he was that dumb, like how he was when he fought Beerus and had the nerve to hold back.

Haha, I love how I am being referred to as "The guy that made the chart." Sure, why not? I do want to point out that it was not meant to be a chart, more of a metaphor for SSBerserker being a true, unreachable form that Saiyans could not achieve unless through an anomaly.

I totally see where you are coming from though. That line about Goku using a little more power would imply that he went to around SS3. However ...

You know, upon further thought..
Jiren wouldn't have stepped up if it wasn't something he needed to for..
If she was below blue level, toppo would have went instead, like he sends other people behind us when challenged instead of himself engaging..

And why would goku fire a Kamehameha which does no effect? He saw it didn't do anything, powered the wave up further but it still didn't do anything..
What exactly was he going for there if he intended to hold back so much his attack dosen't even phase her

This right here ^ is my thought process. Goku got tossed around rather easily, implying Kale was stronger than him in the moment. He can sense power rather well, so if he jumped up from SS2 level to SS3 level of power, he should have been sure it was enough to beat Kale. However, SSBerserker Kale tanked a blue kamehameha. Goku was shocked by this, as can be seen from his facial expression when she grabs his face. That was unexpected to him. When Kale first emerged she begins to steam and power-up. This draws the attention of many other on-lookers. In that frame where the screen splits into fifteen people or so, we see Android 17, Toppo, Frieza, and Jiren. #17 and Toppo, who managed to push Goku into SSBlue are looking very serious about learning that Kale in berserker has this much power. Frieza has his usual sadistic look on his face. ... But Jiren shows no expression whatsoever.

His eyes are closed as though he is not fazed by this. This is reminiscent of Hit during the U6/U7 tournament, where the power of Super Saiyan did not faze him. He opened his eyes out of surprise to feel SSBlue. Even at the power that would get the attention of Frieza, Toppo, and #17, Jiren does not get fazed. He has used minimal energy throughout this whole tournament because he is just that strong. He stood still not moving, and even when Rabanra from U2 went to attack him, Jiren only glared at him. In the scene where Kale is knocking out contestants with a barrage of ki attacks, Toppo readies the troopers for an assault. Jiren steps in though because he knew he was strong enough to beat her.

If SSBerserker Kale is powerful enough to draw the attention of Android 17, Toppo, and Frieza during a battle royale, and walk through an SSB Kamehameha and beat down Goku. Then she is SSBlue tier. Jiren is clearly stronger, but SSBerserker Kale, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Hit, Toppo, Golden Frieza, and Android #17 are all in the same realm.

[SansrivaaL]

Haha, I love how I am being referred to as "The guy that made the chart." Sure, why not? I do want to point out that it was not meant to be a chart, more of a metaphor for SSBerserker being a true, unreachable form that Saiyans could not achieve unless through an anomaly.

I totally see where you are coming from though. That line about Goku using a little more power would imply that he went to around SS3. However ...

My bad if that sounded wrong...
Ep was too vague, only thing to clear this out if she goes berserk again and decides to attack Goku or even Vegeta.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Haha, I love how I am being referred to as "The guy that made the chart." Sure, why not? I do want to point out that it was not meant to be a chart, more of a metaphor for SSBerserker being a true, unreachable form that Saiyans could not achieve unless through an anomaly.

I totally see where you are coming from though. That line about Goku using a little more power would imply that he went to around SS3. However ...

My bad if that sounded wrong...
Ep was too vague, only thing to clear this out if she goes berserk again and decides to attack Goku or even Vegeta.

Yeah, I am confident that she will go into SSBerserker again. I will always admit that this show is confusing to me too, haha. The block of text in the post two above from this one explains my thought process on this whole thing. I could be wrong, but that is just how I see it.

[emperior]

About the Tournament's outcome, maybe U6 actually wins it and someone wishes for all U7 fighters to be moved to U6.
It's quite strange we haven't seen Sadal, U6 Earth and U6 Namek. That's why I can't see U6 being destroyed.

[Noah]

How far Vegeta could go in this tournament? What do you think?

Whenever Ribianne transforms and starts fighting Vegeta, that will probably be the last fight for him. That hasn't happened yet, so he'll probably last a few more episodes.

Could you stop it? This is not even funny anymore. We all know Vegeta is going to job to Jiren.

[Ki Breaker]

How far Vegeta could go in this tournament? What do you think?

Whenever Ribianne transforms and starts fighting Vegeta, that will probably be the last fight for him. That hasn't happened yet, so he'll probably last a few more episodes.

Could you stop it? This is not even funny anymore. We all know Vegeta is going to job to Jiren.

That should be the best, because that's the only power hierarchy we do understand..
Vegeta being more or less equal to Goku..
If jobbing to jiren is done by anyone else, it's all gonna be given to goku holding back against the guy who jobbed ( if they ever faught to give us an idea of oh look this guy rivals goku )

[The gr]

About the Tournament's outcome, maybe U6 actually wins it and someone wishes for all U7 fighters to be moved to U6.
It's quite strange we haven't seen Sadal, U6 Earth and U6 Namek. That's why I can't see U6 being destroyed.

Then what about the other universe,is gonna be lame if we dont see the other universes again,specifically u11,I say every universe will move to u7 instead of that

about namek,I don't think we will see a Namekian even if we see one he's gonna get eliminated quickly without seeing his ability by vegeta or goku

[Dragonballgod19]

If Goku's able to fight Jerin then he was most likely holding back on her. You have to remember that he saw her before she transformed so he knew she was just a poor girl out of control.

Anyone who's still watching isn't going anywhere.

In terms of Vegeta's fans not forgetting it, this isn't the first time Goku got thrown around by someone so I don't know why out of all the times it happened this is the one we'll hold on to.

Yeah I know I just wanted to show how butt hurt the goku fans are

[Dragonballgod19]

Whenever Ribianne transforms and starts fighting Vegeta, that will probably be the last fight for him. That hasn't happened yet, so he'll probably last a few more episodes.

Could you stop it? This is not even funny anymore. We all know Vegeta is going to job to Jiren.

That should be the best, because that's the only power hierarchy we do understand..
Vegeta being more or less equal to Goku..
If jobbing to jiren is done by anyone else, it's all gonna be given to goku holding back against the guy who jobbed ( if they ever faught to give us an idea of oh look this guy rivals goku )

We don't who vegeta going to fight after her hell he might not even fight jiren

[Ki Breaker]

About the Tournament's outcome, maybe U6 actually wins it and someone wishes for all U7 fighters to be moved to U6.
It's quite strange we haven't seen Sadal, U6 Earth and U6 Namek. That's why I can't see U6 being destroyed.

Then what about the other universe,is gonna be lame if we dont see the other universes again,specifically u11,I say every universe will move to u7 instead of that

And about,I don't think we will see a Namibian even if we see one hes gonna one shouted by vegeta or goku

Something about universe 6 basically winning both universal matches is much more appealing than universes being merged..
I will go with uni6 winning it because this time around hit isn't just gonna give the match up, there team work is great, they didn't lose a single warrior yet and they look out for each other..

[The gr]

Something about universe 6 basically winning both universal matches is much more appealing than universes being merged..
I will go with uni6 winning it because this time around hit isn't just gonna give the match up, there team work is great, they didn't lose a single warrior yet and they look out fir each other..

Then what about goku he never wins a match,if they do u6 winning at least have goku defeat jiren because I think is time to give him a win to an antagonist or rival

Is gonna be brutal to see 6 universe killed off for real

[Ki Breaker]

Then what about the other universe,is gonna be lame if we dont see the other universes again,specifically u11,I say every universe will move to u7 instead of that

And about,I don't think we will see a Namibian even if we see one hes gonna one shouted by vegeta or goku

Something about universe 6 basically winning both universal matches is much more appealing than universes being merged..
I will go with uni6 winning it because this time around hit isn't just gonna give the match up, there team work is great, they didn't lose a single warrior yet and they look out fir each other..

Then what about goku he never wins a match,if they do u6 winning at least have goku defeat jiren because I think is time to give him a win

Yeah that would be okay, goku defeats jiren and gets his wish of fighting strong guys by defeating the strongest mortal ( in the match ) but losing the war because that's not what this match was about..
Defeating him goku becomes the strongest mortal in his universe, he has no one to challenge anymore and the eoz line of him not being so happy in a long time shines..
And before anyone says why he will be happy with uub, it's because he saw potential in him.. Majin buu did show us how quickly he can adapt

[Lionel]

The universes have no hope of survival beyond participating in this tournament. Zeno will see to it that every particle of matter is obliterated from existence. Perhaps if they had knowledge of the other temporal line and could somehow flee to another timeline, they might have accomplished the impossible in escaping Zeno. With how events have panned out, however, I can't see an alternative means for Universe 6 surviving except through Goku using the wish to resurrect everyone.

[perucho1990]

Could you stop it? This is not even funny anymore. We all know Vegeta is going to job to Jiren.

I have that feeling 17 and 18 will job to Jiren, 17 is also hyped to be Blue level while holding back.

Vegeta might lose to the Kamikaze fireballs group, which would prove that their teamwork is flawless and because "Power of love".